Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh ok, crossposted.

[Jamiet99uk]

In that case, Vecna, why did you choose to claim today, when you also seem to think anyone who believes your claim is a fool?

What's the point in making a claim you don't expect people to believe?

[bozotheclown]

if youre reading the thread then why did u see my post?

Huh?

I saw it when I reached the end of the thread.

[Foxcastle]

I've played enough with you, Jamiet, that I really should be able to read you more clearly based on your past games. I dunno, maybe the holidays fried my brain. But this is kinda the first time you feel different to me. It's a little more try-hard, mostly, but not just trying too hard, also drawing iffy conclusions that I don't think are justified this early in game. Like, you should know that most of the stuff you're pointing at is just stuff that happens on Day 1 when there's nothing else to talk about...

Is it deliberate? Are you doing something like Squigs did last game when he fronted Bad Cop Squigs (badge #44)?

Jamiet, if you don't mind answering my question... ^

[ghug]

##VOTE Jamie

If he's dead he can't talk.

[rdrivera2005]

I think angry Jamiet is usually town Jamiet that eventually ends myslinched.

I believe Vecna's claim, but he can still be scum if I understood correctly the setup.

And I think Xorxes was joking about me being scum.

[Jamiet99uk]

I've played enough with you, Jamiet, that I really should be able to read you more clearly based on your past games. I dunno, maybe the holidays fried my brain. But this is kinda the first time you feel different to me. It's a little more try-hard, mostly, but not just trying too hard, also drawing iffy conclusions that I don't think are justified this early in game. Like, you should know that most of the stuff you're pointing at is just stuff that happens on Day 1 when there's nothing else to talk about...

Is it deliberate? Are you doing something like Squigs did last game when he fronted Bad Cop Squigs (badge #44)?

No, it is not. I am being my usual self as far as I can tell.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE Jamie

If he's dead he can't talk.

Do you think I am scum?
If so, why?
Do you have a gun?
Is LQ your scum mate?
If not, why doesn't his buddying/pocketing concern you?

[bozotheclown]

Im just gonna ensure my survival by fullclaiming.

Im persia. Ancient era deathproof.

there you have it scum. If you wanna get rid of my awesomeness, you have to do it by admitting that im just that much of a pain in your buttcrack. Not because im potentially some dangerous PR. Because im not.

Now you guys can scurry in here and discuss how scummy I am for claiming this stuff. Or you can shoot me (only this era <3) to confirm my claim. Only to then realize I could still be scum.

Stuff to talk about. Hurray.

Go

If you are really Persia and town, claiming it is not helpful to town. The proper play would be to try to draw the NK N1, as that is the only town use for your power. Therefore, I believe either your claim is fake or you are not town.

[bozotheclown]

Here are my only reads at present that are not complete nulls:

Reads to now:

bozotheclown - Slight scum: Has done nothing but ask questions about the setup. Maybe trying to look involved without giving anything up.

CrimsonFox - Odd newb but giving a "clueless new scum" vibe.

Jamiet99uk - Town.

LordQuas - Scum: Depth-charging and making false claims.

ND - Slight scum. Has been present but avoiding any contribution. Standard shady ND. Also a cultural fascist. Sad!

Nephthys - Town.

Squigs44 - Slight town but that's just instinct and vibe. Need to see more.

Vecna - Slight town but damn he's annoying.

xorxes - Scum, hunting for Town PRs, yuck.

5 out of 8 is a high percentage of scum reads, at that rate it would give you 12 scum out of 19.

[Jamiet99uk]

I concur with Bozo. I no longer believe Vecna's claim.
Vecna has a history of making fake claims on D1.

##VOTE VECNA

If he is lying (most likely outcome on reflection) we lynch a liar.

If he is telling the truth (less likely outcome on reflection) he is probably scum, and we can shoot or lynch him tomorrow.

If he is telling the truth and is town (least likely outcome) we have a townclear who can help us tonight and tomorrow.

[Jamiet99uk]

I shall now go to the bar and prepare myself for a torrent of abuse from Vecna.

[ghug]

##VOTE Jamie

If he's dead he can't talk.

Do you think I am scum?
If so, why?
Do you have a gun?
Is LQ your scum mate?
If not, why doesn't his buddying/pocketing concern you?

Not especially. I just think you're annoying.

I have two guns.

I kinda lean town on LQ.

That is so not how you pocket someone effectively.

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

[ghug]

I concur with Bozo. I no longer believe Vecna's claim.
Vecna has a history of making fake claims on D1.

##VOTE VECNA

If he is lying (most likely outcome on reflection) we lynch a liar.

If he is telling the truth (less likely outcome on reflection) he is probably scum, and we can shoot or lynch him tomorrow.

If he is telling the truth and is town (least likely outcome) we have a townclear who can help us tonight and tomorrow.

How would he be a townclear?

[bozotheclown]

Quick thoughts, the only player who needs one karma in each of the four phases is the Godfather/Tree stump. The only other player with karma-by-phase is the commuter which is a town role (The other three karma based roles are total)

Personally I think that ensuring we don't have a Godfather is better than having a 50/50 for a tree stump and that we want a commuter.

Therefore I propose that we ensure that EVERYONE gets at least one karma in the first two phases, this then guarantees that commuter gets activated (if there is one). As an added bonus, everyone then ends up with some karma bonus from this game.

I then would suggest that NO ONE gets karma in the renaissance era as the only player to benefit from this is tree stump/godfather.

I then say after the renaissance we go nuts with the +1 to ensure that the chameleon gets activated.

I see this as the best way to manage the karma. Is there anyone that DISAGREES with this strategy or sees issues with it?

This is the towniest post in the game so far. I wholeheartedly agree with this proposal and anyone who doesn't is scum or an idiot.

Anyone +1's a post during the Renaissance era, we lynch them (unless somehow they are already clear).

I'm not clear why we should be giving any +1's to anyone at all. None of the guaranteed town roles require +1's do they? Why do we want to enable someone's power if we don't even know they're town?

I agree with the part about not activating the GF, but I also agree with xorxes. Why would we want to make sure the chameleon gets activated when, if there is a chameleon, he could be scum?

[bozotheclown]

##CALL GM: If there is an Australia, is is guaranteed to be a town role, or could a mafia Australia become a traitor and join the town?

[Jamiet99uk]

I concur with Bozo. I no longer believe Vecna's claim.
Vecna has a history of making fake claims on D1.

##VOTE VECNA

If he is lying (most likely outcome on reflection) we lynch a liar.

If he is telling the truth (less likely outcome on reflection) he is probably scum, and we can shoot or lynch him tomorrow.

If he is telling the truth and is town (least likely outcome) we have a townclear who can help us tonight and tomorrow.

How would he be a townclear?

Oh, you're right. He wouldn't necessarily. Well observed Guhg, thanks.

FWIW, I am not married.

[RagingIke297]

Sorry for my lack of activity thus far, I'm at my childhood home and we're doing Christmas today since I wasn't here for actual Christmas. I've also been debating if I was going to claim my role or just let it expire. I am the day 1 day vig. I'm thinking about shooting Rdr, maybe Vecna. I might shoot whoever is in first with a couple hours left so we'll basically get a second lynch. I dunno yet...

[ghug]

I concur with Bozo. I no longer believe Vecna's claim.
Vecna has a history of making fake claims on D1.

##VOTE VECNA

If he is lying (most likely outcome on reflection) we lynch a liar.

If he is telling the truth (less likely outcome on reflection) he is probably scum, and we can shoot or lynch him tomorrow.

If he is telling the truth and is town (least likely outcome) we have a townclear who can help us tonight and tomorrow.

How would he be a townclear?

Oh, you're right. He wouldn't necessarily. Well observed Guhg, thanks.

FWIW, I am not married.

Shocking

[Ezio]

Ok guys. I've read my role pm and have absolutely no idea what my alignment is. Anyone have any tips?