Mafia 86: Accidents Happen... - Game Thread

[Chaqa]

Anyone role blocked will be sent a "You were Roleblocked!" message,

Yes, non-PR targets will receive that message.

A saved person will be notified they woke up with a bunch of bandages on them (something like that - don't quote me yet)

A cop will be told the alignment of the scanned individual. Reminder - the Godfather role scans as town.

We have an uncc roleblocked claim lol, that's kind of cool.

It's worth noting that the webDip meta is often to roleblock the nightkill to shield this information. I believe food in this instance, bit it's far from a free townie.

You make this claim all the time but I feel like it's more your meta to do that. I don't believe the data would back this up.

[brainbomb]

the only three players in this game that I am scumreading whatsoever are will, bunny, and food.

everyone, and everyone else is 1000% town to me. to be very clear. I do not even have the slightest or remotest scumread on a single player outside those three

[ghug]

It seems to me that ghug was fake fake-claiming. Does that make a difference to you? Innuendo is not fake claiming. I also still don't see that he was faking a claim on YOU, until you responded to him. He implied (maybe) your guilt because you pushed back on him. That is how I read the sequence of events.

Ghug said he had a guilty scan and then voted for me. Bozo also jumped on that wagon. Since I know my alignment and ghug cannot possibly have a guilty scan on me, I fought back.

See. the word 'then' is the problem for me. Because I don't see him as claiming, really... i see that he voted you for other reasons. And bozo's jumping on, because I don't expect Bozo to have thought the claim was sincere, would be for other reasons.

Reasons that they have stated elsewhere?
And therefore (with respect) it feeeeeeels to me that you are avoiding their real reasons for voting for you. I do not expect you to agree, having read your arguments. I just think you are barking (or defending) the wrong tree.

I voted for food because brain did, but at that point I still thought I was supporting brain's claim, not that anyone would believe my own.

[brainbomb]

##Vote Justaguynamedwill

[ghug]

At this point there is nothing more to be made of it. I have resolved to listen to my town reads closely going forward to avoid tilt towards brain and ghug. My strongest towns are BunnyGo and Frogster. I think you are town, too.

Ok... so help me out. I have hinted that i would like an explanation about the case on you, (and on will, and on Ham). I see LOUD votes but not LOUD cases. Would you summarize for me?

Ghug’s case yesterday was that I’m scum for making a reads list on D1. He thinks that play style doesn’t work and only scum would do it.

Brain reread some of my old games and I accepted his scumread of me on that basis because I know exactly how my scum and town playstyles diverged at a certain point when I used to play more frequently. He’s wrong, but his case is logical.

Bozo said I was pocketing sweet and he didn’t like that Bunny convinced me to switch votes. I honestly don’t even understand bozo’s case.

This is in bad faith. I said I find the big, low-content reads list to be more likely to come from scum. A big part of my suspicion came from how you reacted to that accusation rather than the moment itself. I also don't scumread you anymore.

[brainbomb]

BunnyGo - In re-reading it's very hard to decide where Bunny is at. Overall I think I really dislike the approach here - not the frame story about the GT, but the level of stream-of-consciousness. It's very hard for me to parse what Bunny is actually thinking. Overall it actually obfuscates the thread and his thinking, even though he intersperses the stream of thoughts with reads-lists. Bunny is basically actively detracting from the game by overstuffing it with thoughts that don't lead anywhere. Scumlean.

JustAGuyNamedWill - I very much like the way that Will is playing. Last game I really misunderstood him. Obviously there's the question as to whether the difference is that he was town last time and didn't care about weird mistakes, and now he is being much more active because he's scum. But I like the way he's countered some arguments and I think it would not be fair to assume people don't get better at playing the game, and therefore I am going to lean town on Will. I don't like his logic about sweet... but since that is largely the one thing I find wrong, and I voted for him incorrectly last time over one single thing, maybe this is indeed the place where I could go wrong about him, but this time I won't. Will Town.

sweetandcool - I'm in a very similar situation with sweet as I am with Will. Town lean.

[ghug]

No, just stop.

think about this logically.

scum usually roleblocks the target they kill. if they thought there was a chance jamie was a PR they wouldve probably roleblocked him. Why on earth would they roleblock food, like ever?

food tried to soft doc. anyone with a fucking brain can see it, plain as day. he wasnt softing hes frasier goddamn crane. use some common sense!

and when he sees now he has to retract that softing doc, he needs some other fallback to try to be cleared.

oh great, a roleblock. unprovable, something mafia can claim under scrutiny.

the main reason he retracted his doc claim and has spin zoned it, is because his best line of attack on ghug and myself is that we were anti town. an argument that resonates well with people like damo and chaqa who think anything fake at all is just bad, bad no matter what it did.

again, reread what happened. I beg and implore you on my knees to just go REREAD it. even if you dont reach that same conclusion I did, REREAD it. it doesnt look clean at all, it looks clunky, and it looks like he was searching for a way out of it all along

Why would they RB the NK in this set up?

Townslip from brain?

Why wouldn't they. Scumslip from damo?

[brainbomb]

that makes it look better for bunny and food just looks like scum with will pretty clear as day

[ghug]

when I kept saying guilty, I had been watching alot of 90s sitcoms about courtrooms. I just wanted to use the word guilty alot because matlock is really special to me. it was never a cop soft. I just really wish matlock would be a mainstay in the american household.

matlock really matters to me alot. Im sorry if my repeatedly loving matlock confused you into thinking I was cop

Ok come on now. You know what you did.

[brainbomb]

usually when mafia write up a really long spurrious thing highlighting why someone could be town and they throw in that many flowery mental gymnastics twists they dont do it for both mafia teammates.

So, maybe the way food talks about sweet there so abruptly, and says so little, is designed to paint will very hard, designed to make you look excessively at his will read. the design of that reads list was mentioned by ghug as being scummy. I think its worth revisiting here, as that read on will looks like one a mafia member makes about a townsperson.

[foodcoats]

nah screw it. It has to be will here. at least foods posts are not jokes

##vote will

What do you think of bozo and darg?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

that makes it look better for bunny and food just looks like scum with will pretty clear as day

Ok, disregarding your case on me, Bunny is absolutely town, and Food is kind of in the middle. No Chaqa? No Hamilton? No bozo? No darg?

This is an extremely bad take.

[brainbomb]

when I kept saying guilty, I had been watching alot of 90s sitcoms about courtrooms. I just wanted to use the word guilty alot because matlock is really special to me. it was never a cop soft. I just really wish matlock would be a mainstay in the american household.

matlock really matters to me alot. Im sorry if my repeatedly loving matlock confused you into thinking I was cop

Ok come on now. You know what you did.

yes, this was sarcasm based around foods claim that his doc soft was frasier crane stuff. I was trying to be ironic

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Note how brainbomb is only targeting his voters.

[Chaqa]

I can't be scum, I had Chipotle that day

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I can't be scum, I had Chipotle that day

Honestly, I don’t think you’re scum. But you aren’t a hard townlean as Frog, damo, and Bunny are.

[ghug]

No. Probably not fake.

Yeah.

Didn’t worcej say that “Mafia also have a killer and a roleblocker.” And said he forgot to put it in the setup?

Oh man he's really laying it on.

[ghug]

I could see Damo or Vecna bussing, tbh.

You are probably my #1 most likely busser, but Vecna could possibly have bussed.

I don't think I should qualify to be a busser as I didn't want to vote Sweet. I was voting to protect Bunny. You should be questioning why I would protect Bunny when Sweet was godfather.

More pointedly, if I was scum with Sweet, would it not have made sense for me to establish more of a town read on him so I would not be forced to vote him against my read on Bunny?

Basically, I think any chance I'm mafia existed with me being Bunny's teammate, but that would only work if Sweet had not been the Godfather. Since he was, it doesn't really make any sense for me to be scum.

Do not like this post.

[brainbomb]

Note how brainbomb is only targeting his voters.

Im actually focusing on trying to find out which one of you is just really bad at reading me. probably my fualt on some front but im quite sure that two of you are scum. and thats fine. if I die maybe someone will agree, cool.

what do you think of foodcoats read list where he says that sweet should be viewed the same as you?

[ghug]

GM Note:
Consider this a formal announcement that the following things are not to be done during the game:

1. Editing the names in a post quote
2. Editing the contents of a post after it is made

I won't use any names, but you know who you are. Stop doing these things.

worcej warned the person who was doing this 9 minutes before he died.

I hate to do this but scum straight up must have changed the nightkill in those last 9 minutes, because worcej would not have probably worried about this if the person hes warning is just dying

Can we come back to this? I feel like this was forgotten.

No.