Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[rdrivera2005]

Dear scumteam,

Please kill ChippeRock. I think it will help both scum and town alike and overall raise the quality of the game. I can't stand reading another 100+ posts from him that are repetitive, illogical, and close-minded.

Cordially,
Squigs44

P.S. I would really enjoy a visit from a lovely hooker tonight, day one was exhausting

+10

This guy is making really painful to read the thread.

[Foxcastle]

Questions for the team:

✾ If Flavius were scum, would he have fake claimed a PR given what seemed like his impending doom?

He might not have thought to do that. His first game was M45, and the only town PR was NK’d early—and same for M10007, his second game—so it’s not a tactic he’s been exposed to. Maybe he just didn’t know.

[Foxcastle]

✾Flav seemed pretty chill in the way he was pushing TrPrado instead of Bozo up until the last 2 minutes. If he had claimed a PR it would have undermined that chill vibe, so I think it is unlikely he would have claimed a PR if he were scum. I frankly think he is town, so this question seems a bit moot to me.

Assuming I can extrapolate this to mean you thought he was pretty chill overall near EOD, what do you think of the contrast between his EOD compared to the skittish way he responded to Balki that got him scumread in the first place? (I haven’t gone back to read either yet, so feel free to debate the characterization.)

[Foxcastle]

Yours,
A Friendly Neighborhood Watchdog (woof woof!)

Blind Assassin slip.

[EspressoPatronum]

Questions for the team:

✾ If Flavius were scum, would he have fake claimed a PR given what seemed like his impending doom?
- probably yes, but I'll hedging my answer bcz of the secretary. On the one hand, he was set to be lynched by the 44min mark. That would have been the time to claim. On the other hand, the secretary may have instructed the team to hold off their votes on the counterwagon until closer to the end. The latter could help explain how bozo went from 7 votes to 11 in the last 3 mins

✾ Was EOD1 frenzied and dynamic, or generally settled? What, if anything, does that tell you about alignments and team motivations?
frenzied. I wasn't there for EoD, but my reading of the posts and checking the bot timestamps on votes shows the last hour was pretty uncertain. The last 4 minutes was hectic.

My responses to two of your questions. See the italics.

[Foxcastle]

φ My opinion, as someone who was in the thick of EOD: our hand was forced on bozo being the alternative because there were three people parked on him who were either absent for EOD or unwilling to move. Those people were damo666, et, and Percy Williams.

I don't like this. Three votes in a game of 23 players does not force your hand. Seems like reverse justification.

And Percy is the only one who was actually absent. Et and Damo were present but lurking.

[dargorygel]

I will write Chippe, Carl (who is not my buddy, apparently,) and Prado when I have a chance... but in reading the overnight, I have this concern.

I do not understand the fury and flurry to save (or at least not lynch) Flav. He had not, to my knowledge, breadcrumbed. (If he did, don't mention it!) IF players thought he was town, weren't there more obvious scummies to counter with? As someone said, the bozo-voters were not voting for their top scum read.

Think about it this way, mebbe... if bozo had his head in the noose all day, would those same folk screamed to save him, as an obvious mislynch?

If it seems like the defense of Flav was disorganized, though, remember that scum only have a secretery at that point...

[dargorygel]

"What happened to him copying Squigs being the reason for your vote, and not liking that?
And it isn't as though the Balki bit happened after your first vote. You just didn't mention it at all the first time. The second time, it was the only reason you gave for having Flavius at the top of the list. Why wasn't it important enough to mention before?

Can you explain this inconsistency for me?"

Just because something is A reason, does not mean it is the ONLY reason. I don't list every reason for every statement every time. I leave that to you wall posters.

[dargorygel]

@chippe
My response to your explanation is in my general observation about the Flav-rush above.

[dargorygel]

@Prado
"dargorygel:
He changes his vote from Moscow back to Flavius when I say it's strange, but he doesn't address me saying his original vote for Flavius was abrupt. Feels like he skipped the actual text and went straight to the questions "

First, I didn't change back to Fla because you commented, but because I no longer felt that a pressure vote was going to have any effect on MF. AND because I was not sure that I would be on for EoD, or even again, at that point. So I wanted my vote where I had originally (and still) felt it belonged.

Second, stop crying. I read every word.

[Percy Williams]

People asked for an explanation on my early Bozo push:
It definitely wasn't the lurking, as I understand people have real lives to get to, but when bozo did come in, he led with a naked vote, and an insistence that his only read was that Chippe was scum, when Chippe was a popular wagon. It was the ultimate safe vote for Bozo to make, and made him present without actually adding anything. Tunnels also break games, and imo are scum indicative, as the person is "Catching scum" while really only drawing attention to one desired target. He seemed scum later when People were ignoring him for most of the thread, even while pushing on Moscow for being lurky. Towards the end, Bozo makes a post or two from town perspective, but I read those After I knew he was town, and didn't see them real time anyways.

So why didnt you ever change?

Because I Wasn't there to see them. I accidently didn't come back until after phase end, which was totally my fault, we've had great Gms.

[Tom Bombadil]

I think darg is town

[Percy Williams]

So much fighting. Stop fighting!

Be nice. Be respectful. Find scum.

I don’t think we’re helping ourselves with the personal attacks. It’s frankly turning me off from the game, and I’m probably not the only one. We don’t need to insult each other personally to make a point.

ANYONE who is calm after we just killed a lurker day one AFTER EVERYONE SAID NOT TOO
Makes me

Some of us, in our hour of meditation everyone finds within our schedule, manage to let go of such harsh emotions as the pain and vehemence that results from killing a town lurker. This allows such people to view the game more logically.

[Percy Williams]

Gosh, I made it to 90, and y'all need therapists and anger management. I'll catch up completely approximately 6 hours from now.

[dargorygel]

Gosh, I made it to 90, and y'all need therapists and anger management. I'll catch up completely approximately 6 hours from now.

So Percy... is all this anger and absolutism and caps alignment indicative?

[Durga]

Lmao what happened that a mod had to tell people off

[et]

Players I focus on now.
Squigs
I think, he thought flav as scum strongly, but he vote boz at last.
I ask Squigs why, but he don't answer yet.
If Squigs is scum, he thought he can lynch flav at 2Day?
Or, flav is scum too, and Squigs defend flav?
If he is town, he changed thought?

TrP
I wanted to read Trp's long report before first lynch.
Why Trp don't post that at night?
Trp was afraid to be voted by players whom TrP read as scum?

ND
ND seems to think Chip as scum.
ND quoted boz's post.
boz was town, that's true.
But why ND think boz's scumreading is correct?
Many townie voted boz, like me.(we don't have 11 scums at least4 townie voted boz)

[ND]

Because. Bozo. Is. Very. Good. At. The. Game. @Et

Whew I'm tryin guys. Tryin to restrain myself.

[rdrivera2005]

@Balki
A bit late but my answers for Balki. Consider that I wasn't really able to read the thread before EOD (I was attending a meeting at the State Legislature), so I was mostly checking the game on bot when I have a pause.
When I saw the voting was between Bozo and Flavius I choose Bozo as he looked more scummy. Then Flavius told me it was between him and Prado (I thought it was true), so I voted Flavius as I don´t scum read both and I think he is harder to sort then Prado. Then I looked the bot and get back on Bozo.

Questions for the team:

✾ If Flavius were scum, would he have fake claimed a PR given what seemed like his impending doom?
I don´t think claiming PR would have been a good choice for Flavious, he has been widely townread for not voting Bozo and a PR would likely have tried to save himself pushing any other wagon. Also, a fake claim is a death sentence later unless you have a really clever use of the Janitor.

✾ Who was most responsible for making Bozo, and not TrPrado, Foxy, Durga, Chippe or someone else, the chief alternative to Flavius at EOD?
From the little I read, without re-reading, Carl was the main Bozo pusher. Chippe is just noise.

✾ Would any of these ALL CAPS blowhards be doing this as a scum tactic, or is this a traditional Town on Town meltdown? If so, which ones, and what is their motivation?
ND is capable of faking this kind of anger, but I don't think this is the case. I don't know for sure about the newbies, but I think they could also be faking, but it's not likely.

✾ If you are thinking that one of these All CAPS blowhard is faking all this emotion, do you think that said ALL CAPS blowhard has the capacity to fake emotion at this level?
No, I think the most logical explanation is they are town that still didn't get this is a team game.

✾ Was EOD1 frenzied and dynamic, or generally settled? What, if anything, does that tell you about alignments and team motivations?
I wasn't active on the last two hours before EOD, but looking the bot as I was doing it look more static then dynamic and this means that it´s probably town x town.

✾ Who acted calm at EOD1? Who acted determined or super motivated at EOD1?
Can't really answer. The frenetic ones are Carl and Chippe but they have been this way most game. Flavius was calm, really different from him after EOD, which is weird but could be him getting more confidence after almost being lynched.

[rdrivera2005]

@Prado
I want to answer on your really poor analysys on me

rdrivera2005​:
Didn't answer me. Cryptic in a bad way. He said he has a gut feeling on Fox and seems to be sticking to it but still won't explain it.

I didn't answer you because I stopped reading your wall of posts after the first one which is like reading the summary of a book you already read, useless. So, if you have a question to me, make it directly and not in a wall of text and I will answer.

Second, I explained my vote on Fox to a decent extent to him and we discussed it a bit, so look again at the thread before making this kind of remark.

I don't like your analysys, I think you are too self centered ("he didn't answer me", "he answered me") and sometimes you are basing your reads on assumptions about other players alignment, which is confirmation bias.
But I can see a town point on many of them while some of them are just scummy, like Tom's ("Cryptic in a good way", what the hell this means?) The read on ND is also bad, you have played with ND before and calling him an open book is just nonsense. Anyway, I think you provide enough content so we can sort you later.