MAFIA 83: HALLOWE'EN IN THE TOYSHOP - GAME THREAD

[rdrivera2005]

Can anyone comment about my theory that a scumteam of Demon + Spirit or Demon + ND makes most sense considering the use of the grenade? Leaving only 4 votes with a fellow scum being one of them practically guarantees that a scum won't be killed

[DemonRHK]

Will that use of the grenade would have been way worse. Everyone would just move off, I throw and only hit myself, then everyone hops back on me without even having a vote to defend myself.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will that use of the grenade would have been way worse. Everyone would just move off, I throw and only hit myself, then everyone hops back on me without even having a vote to defend myself.

If you were so confident that worcej was town why didn’t you sacrifice yourself then instead of right now?

[ND]

I don't think Demon is scum Rdr. It's Spirit + Will.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I don't think Demon is scum Rdr. It's Spirit + Will.

Bullshit. I’ll vote spirit if that’ll prove my loyalty

Now if I vote spirit its gonna be me trying to save myself and if I vote demon then it’s me and spirit teaming.

I think this is you trying to paint suspicion on me whichever person i vote.

ND is now on my radar.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Note that ND is not clear but everyone looks over him. Goddamn.

Let me cook here for a second

ND notes in the beginning that he is coming off as scummy because he hasn’t tunnelled. THEN he tunnels on me.

Then he realizes it is painting a big target on his back because everyone knows I’m town. He backtracks and apologizes.

NOW he is not clear, but he and everyone else just doesn’t mention him as a mafia chance.

This is some weird ass mafia movement.

I will still vote demon and spirit before ND. But after those two ND GOTTA GO

[DemonRHK]

Will that use of the grenade would have been way worse. Everyone would just move off, I throw and only hit myself, then everyone hops back on me without even having a vote to defend myself.

If you were so confident that worcej was town why didn’t you sacrifice yourself then instead of right now?

What? I didn’t have a say in it at the point the man claimed. And had no idea the man was going to end up the lead wagon at that time. If I could predict the future like that I’d be selling lottery numbers.

[DemonRHK]

Spirit was scummy as hell yesterday, will’s points are bad, and Kak is trying to ride rdr’s townclear.

And I only have one vote to give.

[DemonRHK]

The end of day 1, will vote alongside brain who he had been scumreading. And I thought “no, maybe he was slow and crossposted and that’s why he fucked up the math” but no, he posted twice more and even quoted a later post, no way he missed that. It was intentional.

[Hamilton Brian]

One thing at a time.

[ND]

I don't think Demon is scum Rdr. It's Spirit + Will.

Bullshit. I’ll vote spirit if that’ll prove my loyalty

Now if I vote spirit its gonna be me trying to save myself and if I vote demon then it’s me and spirit teaming.

I think this is you trying to paint suspicion on me whichever person i vote.

ND is now on my radar.

Its process of elimination. It has to be you or Demon. I think you are more likely than demon.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I don't think Demon is scum Rdr. It's Spirit + Will.

Bullshit. I’ll vote spirit if that’ll prove my loyalty

Now if I vote spirit its gonna be me trying to save myself and if I vote demon then it’s me and spirit teaming.

I think this is you trying to paint suspicion on me whichever person i vote.

ND is now on my radar.

Its process of elimination. It has to be you or Demon. I think you are more likely than demon.

What about you? No one cleared you.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Will, if your vote for me is about self preservation, understand that ND is coming after you if I flip no matter what I am. He doesn't make decisions based on logic, he tunnels and tunnels some more. Right now we're in the crosshairs, me before you, and there is nothing we can say that will make it better. He is just that way.

If you kill demon, it might mean he flips scum and helps us with more rational townies. If I flip, it just accelerates them killing you. Unless you are able to pull off a nurse clear or something you'll be in my position tomorrow. Even if that is the case, voting demon will buy you an extra day to do that hopefully. Just sayin. This is especially true if you, like you've said, think demon is scum over me, there is no reason to vote me.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I also just want to say that while I think there is a decent chance Demon is scum, at this point I feel like ND is blatant scum and if other people want to move over to him, I'd still rather kill him anyway. He just has a meta that lets him be irrational and get away with killing townies without logic and now he can ride on those coat tails, and not realize it is all kayfabe.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will, if your vote for me is about self preservation, understand that ND is coming after you if I flip no matter what I am. He doesn't make decisions based on logic, he tunnels and tunnels some more. Right now we're in the crosshairs, me before you, and there is nothing we can say that will make it better. He is just that way.

If you kill demon, it might mean he flips scum and helps us with more rational townies. If I flip, it just accelerates them killing you. Unless you are able to pull off a nurse clear or something you'll be in my position tomorrow. Even if that is the case, voting demon will buy you an extra day to do that hopefully. Just sayin. This is especially true if you, like you've said, think demon is scum over me, there is no reason to vote me.

I said it was 50/50

4 possible scenarios for me:

1) I vote Demon and Demon dies and is mafia: Hurrah! No harm no foul.

2) I vote Demon and Demon dies and is town: I am pinned for being the swing vote and am thus thrust into the limelight and subsequently scumread because I killed an innocent. Great.

3) I vote Spirit and Spirit dies and is mafia: Great.

4) I vote Spirit and Spirit is town: I am pinned for being the swing vote and am thus thrust into the limelight and subsequently scumread because I killed an innocent. Great.

Basically I have no way to defend myself after this vote. I certainly can’t tie it because that hurts town. I can’t defend the killing of an innocent because I just didn’t know. I can’t prove that the killing of a mafia was due to my want to help the town because we just don’t know if there are 4 or 3 mafia.

We HAVE to vote Demon/Spirit tonight and then if the one we choose isn’t mafia we HAVE to choose the other one.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I also just want to say that while I think there is a decent chance Demon is scum, at this point I feel like ND is blatant scum and if other people want to move over to him, I'd still rather kill him anyway. He just has a meta that lets him be irrational and get away with killing townies without logic and now he can ride on those coat tails, and not realize it is all kayfabe.

I have been suspicious of ND for half the game now. EVERYONE overlooks him. He changed his strategy like 3 times.

But this raises an interesting point. Is Spirit appealing to my suspicion of ND? The answer is an obvious: YES! All of a sudden Spirit becomes SUPER suspicious of ND? Huh. What a weird coincidence. You shot yourself in the foot Spirit. I am leaning towards voting you.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 5.3:

SpiritoftheRadio (4) - ND(END), Hamilton Brian, Macca573, DemonRHK
DemonRHK (3) - rdrivera2005, Kakarroto, SpiritoftheRadio

Unvoted: JustAGuyNamedWill

Currently SPIRITOFTHERADIO is set to be deleted.

24 hours and 42 minutes remain in Day 5

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I have been suspicious of ND for some time. He keeps saying irrational things, asking if he should tie votes was the tipping point for me and the process of elimination that makes him the best suspect in my mind. Then you combine that with the fact he refuses to even acknowledge anything I say about why I voted worcej despite quoting me saying it, and I get the sense he is just going through the motions at this point.

He is only scumming on the two of us, and losing me is losing a vote that will actually acknowledge his scumminess. And Will, you were already voting me, I lose nothing by saying what I think. The hope is you will see that he will just kill you after me, HB will probably jump on you as well since they seem to be agreeing on everything, macca is blatantly sheeping HB's vote and demon will just want to not die and vote for you. You are the next person on the chopping block after me, maybe demon but that mostly depends on if HB diverges from you. You will be where I am tomorrow. Regardless of how I flip.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

maybe I should ask ChatGPT lol

[SpiritoftheRadio]

oh my mistake, I thought i read last night you were already voted. Anyway, I stand by what I said.