M70 - THE BASKIN-ROBBINS CONSPIRACY [HIDDEN]

[BunnyGo]

Not really no. Was it due to me saying if the emoji was a scum signal or not?

Yes, the implication being that as an actual scum member you ought to have known that they would not have had an opportunity to arrange such signals.

Which then rests on the belief that you are new and unable to manufacture such a belief. I figure you ought to know why you're being talked about.

As for Chaqa putting a target about your back, what do you think? Why would he do such a thing, do you imagine?

Ahh I assumed scum had that scum channel thingy I read about in other player role games (tbf I have only read the players roles of like 5 games at random) so I assumed this game batch of scum also had that scum chat. Didn't realize it was only for night time and not day time.

And that's a pretty good townslip.

[Bonatogether]

[quote=BesharamSabi post_id=258267 time=1632496465 user_id

All those listed above didn't have a lead of 4-5 people on their wagon. The fact of the matter is as soon as you sent that message suddenly everyone dropped off your wagon which is sus.

Also the Bona wagon was a joke because it's Bona.
[/quote]
love this post

This is true. There are many people who would memevote me early on

[Chaqa]

My issue is that as this is a no-flip game, we will never know if Bunny is Miller if/when he dies. Likewise for jasnah. If we flip jasnah, at some point the JOAT can autopsy or the Oracle can reveal, and then we will get two people's roles/alignments for one, basically.

If jasnah comes up as Miller -> Bunny is scum
If jasnah comes up as scum -> Bunny is Miller
If jasnah comes up as town -> Bunny is Miller

See the value?

Additionally, two hardclaims cannot exist independently. This is a big issue for me and I'm surprised others aren't making a big deal out of it. Egos, mostly.

It's possible jasnah is town doing this, but I can't see any reason for town!jasnah to fake hardclaim Miller and I can't see any reason for scum!Bunny or nonMillerTown!Bunnyt to counterclaim.

This means Bunny must be Miller and jasnah is probably scum, to me at least.

[Fluminator]

I mean I think he usually throws around a bunch more reads/accusations on D1. Tunneling on one person is very unlike him.

Maybe that's enough of a reason to ##vote flum

Wrong about my meta.
I also notice the last two times you were scum you got me miskilled really early because I had accurate and focused reads and you didn't want to deal with me.

I've never seen you push me this early when you're town because you know I'm usually reasonably accurate.
The only time you miskilled me as town was the endgame of that massive game Eden ran where you were paranoid because I seemed to know too much lol.

Also damn, I've been miskilled the last 3/4 games. I should really stop shitposting so much.

I don't think I'm wrong about your meta. Here's your D1 from that priest game, where you scumread and/or pushed bunny, bo, ghug, teacon, maniac, hamilton, damo, and ND: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=flum*&g=62

I'm not even pushing you very hard. If anything I'm pushing you to explain why you scumread damo. And I don't even want you dead because if you're town and as good as you think you are, then you'll end up defending me, but I have no better scumreads.

Yeah, but to be fair I was pretty clear ND was a policy kill and that I didn't want to daykill ghug or maniac.

I was wrong on Hamilton, but he became my strongest townread after pushing him most of the first 2 days because he finally reacted convincingly.
I was right on everyone else lol.

[Fluminator]

With regards to this game, there are never super good reasons to scumread someone in the early game. You just throw votes and see what sticks and who starts squirming under random pressure. I didn't fully expect you to be the one to constantly question an early day 1 vote either which is another reason you haven't been bleeding town juice.
Damo is failing the squirm test though.
Durga is an example of a townie reaction to pressure.

And this Jasnah/Bunnygo thing is really annoying because it's hard to put real pressure on anyone outside of those two right now.

[BesharamSabi]

[quote=BesharamSabi post_id=258267 time=1632496465 user_id

All those listed above didn't have a lead of 4-5 people on their wagon. The fact of the matter is as soon as you sent that message suddenly everyone dropped off your wagon which is sus.

Also the Bona wagon was a joke because it's Bona.

love this post

This is true. There are many people who would memevote me early on
[/quote]

If I had a cookie that gave 24 hour stomach bug and can only give it to Henry kissinger, Hitler or bona. I would give Bona the cookie. (this is a joke)

[Bonatogether]

I can't read any more until I get home, and I'll talk more later since it's hard to post from my phone.

[Bonatogether]

[quote=BesharamSabi post_id=258267 time=1632496465 user_id

All those listed above didn't have a lead of 4-5 people on their wagon. The fact of the matter is as soon as you sent that message suddenly everyone dropped off your wagon which is sus.

Also the Bona wagon was a joke because it's Bona.

love this post

This is true. There are many people who would memevote me early on

If I had a cookie that gave 24 hour stomach bug and can only give it to Henry kissinger, Hitler or bona. I would give Bona the cookie. (this is a joke)
[/quote]

rude

[Fluminator]

[quote=BesharamSabi post_id=258267 time=1632496465 user_id

All those listed above didn't have a lead of 4-5 people on their wagon. The fact of the matter is as soon as you sent that message suddenly everyone dropped off your wagon which is sus.

Also the Bona wagon was a joke because it's Bona.

love this post

This is true. There are many people who would memevote me early on

If I had a cookie that gave 24 hour stomach bug and can only give it to Henry kissinger, Hitler or bona. I would give Bona the cookie. (this is a joke)

rude
[/quote]

Can someone fix the quote tags

[DemonRHK]

Completely Fallible Human Yet GM Vote Count Day One The Second

jasnah(6) - BunnyGo*, worcej*, Tom Bombadil, Doom427, Chaqa, damo666
Fluminator(4) - TheFlyingBoat, snowy801, bozotheclown, kgray
ghug(3) - Durga, Vecna, Jamiet99uk
kgray(2) - Bonatogether, President Eden
Bonatogether(1) - Tom Bombadil
TheFlyingBoat(1) - Fluminator
President Eden(1) - jasnah
BunnyGo(1) - lfischl
worcej(1) - BesharamSabi

Not Voted: rdrivera2005

Currently, JASNAH is set to be killed.

rdr needs to vote to avoid discipline.

6 Hours remain in Day 1.

[Fluminator]

I'm also shocked how much I'm agreeing with bozo's take on things. I feel like I should be concerned about this.

[kgray]

Wrong about my meta.
I also notice the last two times you were scum you got me miskilled really early because I had accurate and focused reads and you didn't want to deal with me.

I've never seen you push me this early when you're town because you know I'm usually reasonably accurate.
The only time you miskilled me as town was the endgame of that massive game Eden ran where you were paranoid because I seemed to know too much lol.

Also damn, I've been miskilled the last 3/4 games. I should really stop shitposting so much.

I don't think I'm wrong about your meta. Here's your D1 from that priest game, where you scumread and/or pushed bunny, bo, ghug, teacon, maniac, hamilton, damo, and ND: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=flum*&g=62

I'm not even pushing you very hard. If anything I'm pushing you to explain why you scumread damo. And I don't even want you dead because if you're town and as good as you think you are, then you'll end up defending me, but I have no better scumreads.

Yeah, but to be fair I was pretty clear ND was a policy kill and that I didn't want to daykill ghug or maniac.

I was wrong on Hamilton, but he became my strongest townread after pushing him most of the first 2 days because he finally reacted convincingly.
I was right on everyone else lol.

Yes I know you were right on a lot of them. That's my entire point. I associate your D1 with lots of gut reads and I like when we have similar ones. Like that time we killed summit, and when we almost got teacon (me backing out of that one in the end isn't really relevant lol). I don't understand your initial scumread of damo and I especially wanted to know your thought process because my read was the opposite.

[Durga]

I *am* getting a little annoyed that jasnah is ghosting the game but maybe she'll ask for a replacement or something.

Flum already looking better.

[Durga]

Wtf why is bozo on flum lol

Honestly I'd be ok with a bozo daykill, he's not giving me any townie vibes whatsoever

[Durga]

I'm also shocked how much I'm agreeing with bozo's take on things. I feel like I should be concerned about this.

What about his take on why ever the fuck he's voting you

[kgray]

I *am* getting a little annoyed that jasnah is ghosting the game but maybe she'll ask for a replacement or something.

Flum already looking better.

Why does Flum look better?

[Durga]

I *am* getting a little annoyed that jasnah is ghosting the game but maybe she'll ask for a replacement or something.

Flum already looking better.

Why does Flum look better?

He's giving substantive serious answers. Do you actually think he's scummy? Did you answer his thing about you always voting him as scum

[Chaqa]

I'm also shocked how much I'm agreeing with bozo's take on things. I feel like I should be concerned about this.

He's voting for you.

[kgray]

I *am* getting a little annoyed that jasnah is ghosting the game but maybe she'll ask for a replacement or something.

Flum already looking better.

Why does Flum look better?

He's giving substantive serious answers. Do you actually think he's scummy? Did you answer his thing about you always voting him as scum

I think he's giving serious answers because he's an actual wagon but he's still not doing what I expected him to do as town, so yeah I think it's scummy.

I dislike how he's omgusing me. And I don't really think he believes I push him like this when I'm scum because the first time I helped miskill him I just broke a tie and chose him without actually 'scumreading' him, and the second it was after he was already scumreading me.

[Doom427]

My issue is that as this is a no-flip game, we will never know if Bunny is Miller if/when he dies. Likewise for jasnah. If we flip jasnah, at some point the JOAT can autopsy or the Oracle can reveal, and then we will get two people's roles/alignments for one, basically.

If jasnah comes up as Miller -> Bunny is scum
If jasnah comes up as scum -> Bunny is Miller
If jasnah comes up as town -> Bunny is Miller

See the value?

Additionally, two hardclaims cannot exist independently. This is a big issue for me and I'm surprised others aren't making a big deal out of it. Egos, mostly.

It's possible jasnah is town doing this, but I can't see any reason for town!jasnah to fake hardclaim Miller and I can't see any reason for scum!Bunny or nonMillerTown!Bunnyt to counterclaim.

This means Bunny must be Miller and jasnah is probably scum, to me at least.

Agreeing to this, and also saying we right now have a problem with cop scans too with leaving Jasnah alive.
Cop scans Jasnah->Evil->Miller OR Goon
Cop Scans Jasnah->Good->Godfather OR Vanilla

Leaving open on if anyone should scan and then claim day 2 (I think no, but who knows?).