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Teacon is much more cagey and hedgy than last game

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:32 pm

This is my first game with emc ever where he posted something.
I don't want to punish that by killing him lol.

This is really a myth - emc wasn't remotely lurky in the last game he was in from the start (M57, as my screenshots show - and they were barely any of his posts). So I don't buy this excuse.

Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:33 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:32 pm

Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:31 pm

I'm also getting somewhat perturbed by the fact that literally nobody has given a townread on emc and yet nobody is apparently willing to look into him either.

worcej, Vecna and I have all given townreads of emc.

Care to explain why?

I am paraphrasing my old post, but emc has done enough to warrant not being killed yet.

He also voted well before the deadline, which makes me believe he is more interested in the game. This alone almost auto-clears him from my D1 concerns

If you used the same facts as above for a scum case, I wouldn’t argue against you. This is the inherently annoying task of reading emc we are discussing...

worcej wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:33 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:32 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:29 pm

responses:
a) the ‘good players’ seem unmoved by my push, so meh
b) this buys you credit as you can sell why some is bad in any manner you choose. All you need to do is convince people, which you are capable of
c) see above.

I would say that voting any of kgray, HR, Flum, Durga, Balki, Vecna, rd, and now damo is indefinable for me, unless it's against someone else in that pool. No amount of contortion is going to make those votes not suspicious.

On D1? Sure.
D5? I bet you could sell any of those votes.

Sure. I'm not going to do this the whole game. That wouldn't make any sense.

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:19 pm

Bozo do you have anything to contribute that isn't out of game reasons to scum read someone?

bo_sox getting replaced and Jamie referring to town as communists are not out of the game reasons for suspecting bo_sox/Jamie.

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:36 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:33 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:32 pm

I would say that voting any of kgray, HR, Flum, Durga, Balki, Vecna, rd, and now damo is indefinable for me, unless it's against someone else in that pool. No amount of contortion is going to make those votes not suspicious.

On D1? Sure.
D5? I bet you could sell any of those votes.

Sure. I'm not going to do this the whole game. That wouldn't make any sense.

Okay, then what is the point of your counter argument? You cannot vote 8/25 players? Great - force one of the remaining...

Fluminator wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:35 pm

Teacon is much more cagey and hedgy than last game

Concur on this

I wonder if there is a record for most posts in a phase...

bozotheclown wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:37 pm

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:19 pm

Bozo do you have anything to contribute that isn't out of game reasons to scum read someone?

bo_sox getting replaced and Jamie referring to town as communists are not out of the game reasons for suspecting bo_sox/Jamie.

If you see the word comrade do you not think communist? I shouldn't defend him but I will because I dislike this as a reason to daykill. Have you read any of Jamie's posts? Do you see anything scummy in them?

Vecna wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:22 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:20 pm

I can't work and catch up the game at same time. And I need to work.

I just read last page and disliked Maniac vote a lot. I will eat my shoes if Durga and ND are both scum and faking it. Seems more likely a scum who want to get both to be wagons.

##vote Maniac

I have to say, I had expected Durga's clapback to be more vicious.

Are you saying you really believe Durga and ND agreed to fake this as scum?
I am not saying both are town.

Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:31 pm

teacon7 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:23 pm

@HR - really I'm looking for more reasoning. yeah, emc acted strange early on, but there's lots of reasons people act weird d1. I don't think he's the one for today. Maybe do a closer re-read of him and lmk if he still looks that bad?

Well, what do you think about the big post I just made?

Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:31 pm

teacon7 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:23 pm

@HR - really I'm looking for more reasoning. yeah, emc acted strange early on, but there's lots of reasons people act weird d1. I don't think he's the one for today. Maybe do a closer re-read of him and lmk if he still looks that bad?

Well, what do you think about the big post I just made?

Just read it. I think you're right that he's playing very differently than m57.

I'll have to think about it. He's either really town, or a moderate scumlean for me. Didn't help that I can only remember him early, during the drunken scheissposting phase of the holy turkey day.

Do we have examples of him playing as a VT? Does he take risks or play it straight and narrow now?

Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:33 pm

kgray wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:32 pm

Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:31 pm

I'm also getting somewhat perturbed by the fact that literally nobody has given a townread on emc and yet nobody is apparently willing to look into him either.

worcej, Vecna and I have all given townreads of emc.

Care to explain why?

I thought he seemed really natural at the beginning of D1 and his comments are what I expect from the way he tends to read people's tones. I don't remember him always connecting those things to reads, but I can see your points looking through his M57 ISO. I'm most concerned that I'm his only recent and serious-sounding read. Like he's just going off of Vecna's changed read of me?

And my kiddo just woke up from her nap...

I’ll be around again eventually.

worcej wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:38 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:36 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:33 pm

On D1? Sure.
D5? I bet you could sell any of those votes.

Sure. I'm not going to do this the whole game. That wouldn't make any sense.

Okay, then what is the point of your counter argument? You cannot vote 8/25 players? Great - force one of the remaining...

If I were scum, I'd rather kill someone in those eight, for exactly the same reason I think we should be keeping them alive as town.

I got pissed off about killing Flum and HR as town last game, and I'm very inclined to fearkill and push big posters as scum, so I don't think that's really up for debate.

I think that's most of what had my name, except for the HR post.

HR, I did have reads, they were at that point I believe gut leaning scum on ghug, prob town on Vecna and brain for similar train-of-thoughts, null-slight town on bozo for meta reasons, slight scumread on Balki that I then retracted due to recognising that I don't know him well enough to have accurate feelings. Worce I already posted about previously. Scumread on damo for his generic tell of being happier as scum than not.

I'll link the posts if you want? :P

fwiw I will caution against using activity as meta reference for me, since it wildly varies as both town and not!town alignments from a few hundred posts a day to five posts a day, lol.

Durga wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:59 pm

e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:58 pm

ffs, Durga is basically Chaqa but not as mellow since she's not high. Not slip intentional or unintentional, just general chatter about "lol, someone tell me coz im too lazy to check"

Yes I'm Chaqa, ignore all my actual posts and engagement. I'm like that guy who posted twice and fucked off. Very good analysis emc, very accurate.

Well, as of currently no, since he's gone, but if he's town I'm expecting a decent return in a few days. Not so much the actual content but you both share the meta of a both cultivated and real "lol, idk what's going on wrt the game" attitude, and start off posts like that.

This game:

Durga wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:56 pm

K so I haven't read the set up

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 26, 2020 2:24 am

I didn't realize this was starting today. Read my role PM but haven't really read the setup yet.

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M59

Durga wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:53 pm

I guess I should actually read the thread soon

M57

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:08 pm

Haven’t read yet. Will attempt soon

There are more that I remember reading but cba to pull them up right now.

my store has blocked peterbot

All that being said, I reiterate scumread on Damo lol

Mild town points to Flum since he said similar thing.

Oh because I'm the only fucking person in the history of ever that has commented about needing to read the thread. Just me and Chaqa, in all of mafia. Great fucking détective work emc. I've not once said in this game that I haven't read the posts. I've been caught up the whole time.