MAFIA 71: "PAPERS PLEASE" - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[bozotheclown]

This feels weird, but it's probably because I haven't really played with ghug before.

This is the post lfischl made about ghug that he twice ignored my question about.

If I am not mistaken, lfischl has played in M1019, M70, M1018, M69, M67, M65, and M1016, and ghug was in every game except M1016 (ghug was the GM in that game).

So, why would lfischl say this about someone who has been in his last 6 games? My guess is that he was trying to subtly defend ghug from Tom's scum read.

This could have been ghug trying to shut lfischl down, knowing he did not need lfischl defending him:

It's not a totally unreasonable pattern to notice in general, though I'm pretty sure Tom's just fucking with me here.

I liked this more when I wasn't the target.

Are you not interested in having lfischl address this?

[TheFlyingBoat]

I’m back to TFB. That’ll be the starting point tomorrow I think.

Lol at Sabi saying I post filler in a massive reads list with no reads in it.

Care to explain why?

[ghug]

This is the post lfischl made about ghug that he twice ignored my question about.

If I am not mistaken, lfischl has played in M1019, M70, M1018, M69, M67, M65, and M1016, and ghug was in every game except M1016 (ghug was the GM in that game).

So, why would lfischl say this about someone who has been in his last 6 games? My guess is that he was trying to subtly defend ghug from Tom's scum read.

This could have been ghug trying to shut lfischl down, knowing he did not need lfischl defending him:

I liked this more when I wasn't the target.

Are you not interested in having lfischl address this?

I am, but I have my reservations about it as an actual argument against him, and especially with the benefit of my own alignment, drawing contingent conclusions in it feels absurd.

Why does scum lfischl pretend to forget his partner?

[damo666]

This is gonna be a long night. Yawn.

[damo666]

++ MINISTRY of ADMINISTRATION ++
++ FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNTS ++

Bonatogether(9) - Lfischl, Brainbomb, BesharamSabi, Foxcastle, Durga, Squigs44, ghug, bozotheclown, Damo666
Fluminator(4) - TheFlyingBoat, Snowy801, Rdrivera2005, Captainmeme
Ghug(2) - Tom Bombadil, Kgray
Tom Bombadil(1) - Macca573
TheFlyingBoat(1) - Fluminator
BesharamSabi(1) - Bonatogether

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Hypothesis: Neither entire scumteam was on Bona.

This would mean at least 2 scum off Bona. I townread rdr and TB so at least 2 scum in Flum, TFB, Capt, Snowy, Kgray, Macca (that order S->T).

[damo666]

My on Bona S->T

Fox, ghug, lfiscl, squigs, brain, bozo, durga, sabi

[bozotheclown]

I liked this more when I wasn't the target.

Are you not interested in having lfischl address this?

I am, but I have my reservations about it as an actual argument against him, and especially with the benefit of my own alignment, drawing contingent conclusions in it feels absurd.

Why does scum lfischl pretend to forget his partner?

I already said why he might have done it, to qualify his response to Tom where he is questioning Tom's reason for scum reading you.

I would not call it a conclusion, I would call it a theory.

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE

10 hours and 30 minutes of Night 1 remain.

If you have any Night Actions to order, do make sure you send them to both myself and Chaqa.

[rdrivera2005]

++ MINISTRY of ADMINISTRATION ++
++ FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNTS ++

Bonatogether(9) - Lfischl, Brainbomb, BesharamSabi, Foxcastle, Durga, Squigs44, ghug, bozotheclown, Damo666
Fluminator(4) - TheFlyingBoat, Snowy801, Rdrivera2005, Captainmeme
Ghug(2) - Tom Bombadil, Kgray
Tom Bombadil(1) - Macca573
TheFlyingBoat(1) - Fluminator
BesharamSabi(1) - Bonatogether

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Hypothesis: Neither entire scumteam was on Bona.

This would mean at least 2 scum off Bona. I townread rdr and TB so at least 2 scum in Flum, TFB, Capt, Snowy, Kgray, Macca (that order S->T).

I tend to agree that an entire scumteam voting together is unusual, but with two Mafia it can't be discarded. Anyway, having at least two scum outside Bona wagon is a good estimation.

[Foxcastle]

There's something about Sabi that makes me think they are playing a masterful scum game. But that is simply not that likely.

[Foxcastle]

Town ghug totally escalates the Eden conflict way more than he did. He is probably scum because his response in the exchange was quite measured

This feels weird, but it's probably because I haven't really played with ghug before.

This is the post lfischl made about ghug that he twice ignored my question about.

If I am not mistaken, lfischl has played in M1019, M70, M1018, M69, M67, M65, and M1016, and ghug was in every game except M1016 (ghug was the GM in that game).

So, why would lfischl say this about someone who has been in his last 6 games? My guess is that he was trying to subtly defend ghug from Tom's scum read.

This could have been ghug trying to shut lfischl down, knowing he did not need lfischl defending him:

This feels weird, but it's probably because I haven't really played with ghug before.

It's not a totally unreasonable pattern to notice in general, though I'm pretty sure Tom's just fucking with me here.

I am incredibly skeptical that scum would like about something so easily disprovable. Maybe they'd fake not remember playing in a game a year ago, but on the scale of 6 games (including recent games)??? I think it's much more likely that lfischl actually doesn't remember playing with ghug.

[Foxcastle]

++ MINISTRY of ADMINISTRATION ++
++ FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNTS ++

Bonatogether(9) - Lfischl, Brainbomb, BesharamSabi, Foxcastle, Durga, Squigs44, ghug, bozotheclown, Damo666
Fluminator(4) - TheFlyingBoat, Snowy801, Rdrivera2005, Captainmeme
Ghug(2) - Tom Bombadil, Kgray
Tom Bombadil(1) - Macca573
TheFlyingBoat(1) - Fluminator
BesharamSabi(1) - Bonatogether

Note: The bot did not recognise Bonatogether's vote for "Sabi", but I did.

If you see anything wrong with this count, please PM me in the next 4 minutes.

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Hypothesis: Neither entire scumteam was on Bona.

This would mean at least 2 scum off Bona. I townread rdr and TB so at least 2 scum in Flum, TFB, Capt, Snowy, Kgray, Macca (that order S->T).

I despair at ever understanding you.

[Durga]

++ MINISTRY of ADMINISTRATION ++
++ FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNTS ++

Bonatogether(9) - Lfischl, Brainbomb, BesharamSabi, Foxcastle, Durga, Squigs44, ghug, bozotheclown, Damo666
Fluminator(4) - TheFlyingBoat, Snowy801, Rdrivera2005, Captainmeme
Ghug(2) - Tom Bombadil, Kgray
Tom Bombadil(1) - Macca573
TheFlyingBoat(1) - Fluminator
BesharamSabi(1) - Bonatogether

Note: The bot did not recognise Bonatogether's vote for "Sabi", but I did.

If you see anything wrong with this count, please PM me in the next 4 minutes.

PLEASE KEEP HOLDING AND DO NOT POST UNTIL NOTIFIED

Hypothesis: Neither entire scumteam was on Bona.

This would mean at least 2 scum off Bona. I townread rdr and TB so at least 2 scum in Flum, TFB, Capt, Snowy, Kgray, Macca (that order S->T).

Must be nice to just be able to assert random shit and have no one question it

[Durga]

@bozo ifischl couldn't even remember to post when he plays, why you think he would remember any players is beyond me

[damo666]

++ MINISTRY of ADMINISTRATION ++
++ FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNTS ++

Bonatogether(9) - Lfischl, Brainbomb, BesharamSabi, Foxcastle, Durga, Squigs44, ghug, bozotheclown, Damo666
Fluminator(4) - TheFlyingBoat, Snowy801, Rdrivera2005, Captainmeme
Ghug(2) - Tom Bombadil, Kgray
Tom Bombadil(1) - Macca573
TheFlyingBoat(1) - Fluminator
BesharamSabi(1) - Bonatogether

Note: The bot did not recognise Bonatogether's vote for "Sabi", but I did.

If you see anything wrong with this count, please PM me in the next 4 minutes.

PLEASE KEEP HOLDING AND DO NOT POST UNTIL NOTIFIED

Hypothesis: Neither entire scumteam was on Bona.

This would mean at least 2 scum off Bona. I townread rdr and TB so at least 2 scum in Flum, TFB, Capt, Snowy, Kgray, Macca (that order S->T).

I tend to agree that an entire scumteam voting together is unusual, but with two Mafia it can't be discarded. Anyway, having at least two scum outside Bona wagon is a good estimation.

How would you list the others outside Bona?

[damo666]

++ MINISTRY of ADMINISTRATION ++
++ FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNTS ++

Bonatogether(9) - Lfischl, Brainbomb, BesharamSabi, Foxcastle, Durga, Squigs44, ghug, bozotheclown, Damo666
Fluminator(4) - TheFlyingBoat, Snowy801, Rdrivera2005, Captainmeme
Ghug(2) - Tom Bombadil, Kgray
Tom Bombadil(1) - Macca573
TheFlyingBoat(1) - Fluminator
BesharamSabi(1) - Bonatogether

Note: The bot did not recognise Bonatogether's vote for "Sabi", but I did.

If you see anything wrong with this count, please PM me in the next 4 minutes.

PLEASE KEEP HOLDING AND DO NOT POST UNTIL NOTIFIED

Hypothesis: Neither entire scumteam was on Bona.

This would mean at least 2 scum off Bona. I townread rdr and TB so at least 2 scum in Flum, TFB, Capt, Snowy, Kgray, Macca (that order S->T).

I despair at ever understanding you.

Well rdr understood quite readily.

[brainbomb]

counter point to damo
with how bona was playing
what if both scumteams felt he was scum from the other team
thus the surge

[damo666]

++ MINISTRY of ADMINISTRATION ++
++ FINAL DAY ONE VOTE COUNTS ++

Bonatogether(9) - Lfischl, Brainbomb, BesharamSabi, Foxcastle, Durga, Squigs44, ghug, bozotheclown, Damo666
Fluminator(4) - TheFlyingBoat, Snowy801, Rdrivera2005, Captainmeme
Ghug(2) - Tom Bombadil, Kgray
Tom Bombadil(1) - Macca573
TheFlyingBoat(1) - Fluminator
BesharamSabi(1) - Bonatogether

Note: The bot did not recognise Bonatogether's vote for "Sabi", but I did.

If you see anything wrong with this count, please PM me in the next 4 minutes.

PLEASE KEEP HOLDING AND DO NOT POST UNTIL NOTIFIED

Hypothesis: Neither entire scumteam was on Bona.

This would mean at least 2 scum off Bona. I townread rdr and TB so at least 2 scum in Flum, TFB, Capt, Snowy, Kgray, Macca (that order S->T).

Must be nice to just be able to assert random shit and have no one question it

It is not an assertion it is an hypothesis and a corollary derived therefrom. The verbs 'assert' and 'hypothesise' have very different meanings.

It is not random, it is a rational hypothesis.

It is not shit, it is an hypothesis that will eventually proved either right or wrong.

Hypotheses are for testing, questions are welcome.

Unreasoned criticism is not however welcome.

[brainbomb]

I dont think it would be wise to assume no scum ever voted bona, or that gobs of scum voted bona.

I do scumlean sabi now however

[brainbomb]

I would also join snowy on a fluminator wagon