Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

[kgray]

Even if you think he's not very clever, which is what you're implying, remember that if he's scum he had someone else to coach him for quite a while.

I'm not trying to imply that he's not clever, I'm implying that it doesn't seem like he thinks too deeply about how people think in a way that makes me think he'd try to play mind games. But it's hard to determine this at all when he doesn't explain his thoughts...

Ok. So what about the other thing I just said, about how scum will win if the votes stay as they are?

Jamie I don't understand what you're saying. Can you please just be straightforward?

[Vecna]

I think I wanna kill lfischl Kgray.

I dont really feel like I have enough Paranoia towards Jamiet here to find a real reason to vote for him here.

Like, how do scum kill Brainbomb of all people D1 if he's defending Jamiet that hard?

[kgray]

I'm not trying to imply that he's not clever, I'm implying that it doesn't seem like he thinks too deeply about how people think in a way that makes me think he'd try to play mind games. But it's hard to determine this at all when he doesn't explain his thoughts...

Ok. So what about the other thing I just said, about how scum will win if the votes stay as they are?

Jamie I don't understand what you're saying. Can you please just be straightforward?

Wait I did answer that.

[Vecna]

1) We have a deadline for game to end
2) The ruling we decided is the first team to begin a stalemate will not be allowed to continue the stalemate. As phrased, town will be barred from voting no-kill
3) Had scum no-killed first, they would be forced to kill first.
4) We cannot, and will not force town to not end on a tied vote.

So tying it is still allowed right? Meh

GM Official Response

cute

[kgray]

Okay. ##vote lfischl

[Vecna]

How much time do we have left untill you go to sleep Jamiet?

[Vecna]

##vote lfischl

[kgray]

Yeah I guess it would be a ridiculous mistake to kill the person I feel like was solving the game with me... Instead of someone who is just coasting along and avoiding participating.

Just going to suck if Jamie's just having an amazing scum game and we end up killing the "easy target."

[Vecna]

I dont really think its about killing the easy target even.

I just cant find any real tangible reason here why id think jamiet is scum.

If it was between the two of you id still vote him, but I still wouldnt really be able to point towards solid reasoning.

[kgray]

I looked through lfischl's voting from D1 last game when he was town. There's obviously not much to go on, but he did usually have some sort of consistency between his reads (however unexplained) and who he voted for, and the person he voted wasn't always a wagon. And he voted his counterwagons then, but he wasn't a wagon when he voted darg, so he doesn't have town precedent for that kind of opportunism.

idk I'm probably confbiasing this too.

[Vecna]

##call gm

is that not-endvoting deadline still in effect?

im sure me and jamiet would love to resolve this and get some sleep. Tomorrow being monday and all.

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Jamiet, are you aboard with this?

[Vecna]

Kgray, that Jaxon that was our france - is he actually Hamilton Brian?

[kgray]

I just cant find any real tangible reason here why id think jamiet is scum.

Oh. Okay, yeah... I guess I can't either. I didn't like how on D1 he backed down on some of his arguments when I questioned him, because I thought he was just trying to avoid conflict with me, but maybe that's not actually scummy. I was wrong about celaph for a second based on something similar. I can't even find anything looking through my own ISO about why I scumread him, besides things lame arguments like "he could do this as scum also" but obviously he could be doing this as town...

Alright. lfischl it is. I'm fine with that, and at this point I'm sort of alright just being wrong if it isn't him.

[kgray]

Kgray, that Jaxon that was our france - is he actually Hamilton Brian?

haha no, but I thought the same thing. I played with Jaxon's dad yesterday, actually. But it's definitely not Hamilton, he's older than Jaxon.

[Vecna]

yeah just wondering since his backstabr handle is imperial hamilton.

[Vecna]

dont tell me jamiet has already gone to bed

[kgray]

yeah just wondering since his backstabr handle is imperial hamilton.

Yeah, I knew why you were asking

[kgray]

dont tell me jamiet has already gone to bed

No I feel like he'd have made an announcement if he had haha

But I'll end here if you and Jamie are down

[BunnyGo]

##call gm

is that not-endvoting deadline still in effect?

im sure me and jamiet would love to resolve this and get some sleep. Tomorrow being monday and all.

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Jamiet, are you aboard with this?

I believe ghug and I can cover hammers for the next 3 hours if that's what players want.

[Vecna]

yeah, if jamiet is ok with that Id really appreciate ending it a bit sooner