M1010 Mini-Mafia

[bozotheclown]

I’m just curious why you’re being shady rather than solvy, Bozo.

Because he is scum.

##vote bozo

So you agree with this generalization, even though it is Foxcastle who has been refusing to answer any of my questions? Can you give specific reasons why you agree with this?

[worcej]

People's opinions on Sarah, our newbie, are interesting.

Rdrivera claims to be very keen to lynch Sarah but after voting her briefly, has moved off.

Xorxes claims to scumread Sarah but is opposed to lynching her.

Brainbomb claims to scumread Sarah (but his reads have been all over the place as usual)

Bo_Sox potentially wanted to lynch her last night but hasn't mentioned her today.

Foxcastle has gone from "probably town" on Sarah to a null read.

Worcej appears to townlean her.

Bozo has implied she could be either depending on how Bo flips. (Also I don't like how everyone is calling her "Sarah" except Bozo using "SK24")


@Foxcastle: What changed your read on Sarah from "probably town" to null?
@Bo_Sox: Current Sarah read?

I used to call her that is college.

So you know her IRL?

[worcej]

I’m just curious why you’re being shady rather than solvy, Bozo.

Because he is scum.

##vote bozo

So you agree with this generalization, even though it is Foxcastle who has been refusing to answer any of my questions? Can you give specific reasons why you agree with this?

Fox being obtuse and annoyed with your line of questioning is completely understandable.

I think you are scum for reasons I've already addressed.

[bozotheclown]

You're also being very damo-esque too.

Only to Jamiet and only on this particular point.

Eh, I guess I was to Bozo last night, too. But that was because I was on my phone and I was finding him irritating and didn't want to type a lot...

Can you answer my questions now then:

I see big contradictions in 1) Bo's in-depth attention to defending himself, 2) his acknowledgement that the deadlines were different, 3) not checking on when the deadline is, 4) not checking on whether he missed the deadline this morning, and 5) proceeding at full speed without regard to whether he missed the deadline.

I've got nothing clever right now. ##VOTE DAMO

Why do you not care anymore about the contradictions you saw?

bozotheclown - town. I like the way he pushed bo yesterday and reacted to his own pressure, and I think he's coming from a towny mindset.
bo_sox48 - I did think him quitting was scummy but thought he seemed towny when he came back. The biggest thing I don't like about him is that he tried to make it sound like people were only voting for Fox because they thought he was bussing Fox, when half the Fox wagon at the time did it because Fox claimed to be scum. I think that using Sarah's vote as the main case against bo would be silly, but there are enough other reasons for peoples' scumreads of bo that I don't think the pressure on him is unjustified.
brainbomb - brain is really different from last game, imo. He seems more annoyed and less involved. I don't know what that means about his alignment. I didn't like his EOD at all, I think fake claiming to get out of a lynch is really scummy, regardless of if you do that often.
damo666 - I didn't like damo's EOE either, he seemed like he was just watching what happened without really caring about the result, which seemed weird because he had said he thought bo could be town and especially now that he's saying he still thinks brain is scum. I think damo/brain could be scum together, but probably not damo/bo.
e.m.c^42 - emc seems towny. He called himself out for also not having a great EOD, but that's hard for me to parse without being clear on who emc's reads are and why. I don't see where he explained his scumread of Sarah and he said he couldn't articulate why he thought worcej was scummy - hopefully he can figure that out soon and share with us.
Foxcastle - I really don't think Fox claiming scum is that scummy. If it's out of character for him, then maybe, but if he thought he was going to be lynched through no fault of his own (bozo was voting him even though he had a stronger scumread on bo) then I think his claim is NAI. Overall Fox has seemed fairly towny to me. I think a bo/Fox/Sarah scumteam is unlikely, because I don't think if Sarah is noob-scum she'd vote for her teammate.
Jamiet99uk - pretty null, but leaning towards town.
SarahK24 - null. I'm not at all convinced that Sarah and bo are scum together. I think the main point against that theory is that she tried to vote a few hours before bo's Foxcastle vote. And, when she had that invalid vote, Fox and worcej had been talking about how they would deal with their protest later. This is the only thing I can find that would cause Sarah to think worcej was Fox's scheming partner.
rdrivera2005 - towny. He seems similar to last game.
xorxes - town. He seems very different from last game.
worcej - pretty null, but leaning towards town.

I assume scum killed Kgray simply to be vindicate in making us read through her EON reads without any spacing between entries...

I did not see any cop crumbs.

Town reads: Bozo, EMC, Fox, Jamiet, Rdrivera, Xorxes, Worcej.

Scum reads: Brain, Damo.

Nulls: Bo, SarahK.

I think it's early enough that scum aren't worried about eliminating someone who's going to push a wagon, so I think it's more likely that did it to freeze her incorrect reads in place. (As well as avoid the Doctor, I assume.)

What makes you think kgray's reads are incorrect?

I’m just curious why you’re being shady rather than solvy, Bozo.

The way Bozo has handled this has been obscenely opportunistic and so poorly thought out that it's hard to believe it comes from him. Fortunately for him, I don't scumread him for it.

Also, I know he's town, so... That makes it easier.

On D1 you thought I was "obscenely opportunistic" but you still town read me. What has changed?

I’m just curious why you’re being shady rather than solvy, Bozo.

Can you give specific examples for this generalization?

On D1 you thought I was "obscenely opportunistic" but you still town read me. What has changed?

And?

kgray gave her reads 18 minutes before EON. Why do you think it is likely the scum decided the NK in the last 18 minutes of N1?

[Foxcastle]

No, Bozo, I'm going to ignore all that. I just minutiae that you're going to use either as scum to try to get me mislynched or because you're tunneling as town.

[bozotheclown]

Because he is scum.

##vote bozo

So you agree with this generalization, even though it is Foxcastle who has been refusing to answer any of my questions? Can you give specific reasons why you agree with this?

Fox being obtuse and annoyed with your line of questioning is completely understandable.

I think you are scum for reasons I've already addressed.

That is another generalization. Can you tell me exactly which of my questions are obtuse and annoying and why?

[brainbomb]

##Vote bo_sox48
##End

[bozotheclown]

No, Bozo, I'm going to ignore all that. I just minutiae that you're going to use either as scum to try to get me mislynched or because you're tunneling as town.

That is not very helpful if you are town.

[Foxcastle]

No, Bozo, I'm going to ignore all that. I just minutiae that you're going to use either as scum to try to get me mislynched or because you're tunneling as town.

That is not very helpful if you are town.

Preventing scum-you from building a bad case is not helpful as town? Preventing town-you from tunneling is not helpful as town?

[bozotheclown]

No, Bozo, I'm going to ignore all that. I just minutiae that you're going to use either as scum to try to get me mislynched or because you're tunneling as town.

That is not very helpful if you are town.

Preventing scum-you from building a bad case is not helpful as town? Preventing town-you from tunneling is not helpful as town?

If you are town, refusing to answer my questions is not going to prevent me from "tunneling" you.

[damo666]

Wow... I am actually shocked by this too. There is usually some late nighters/Europeans chipping in.

Damo's laying low...

Definitely something to note - I am not one to talk because my best activity comes when I am at work and not at home, but 12+ hours of silence from him is uncommon.

No it isn't.

[damo666]

its fairly obvious bo is getting lynched. I dont see much reason to join that but I support it

You scumread Bo, yes?

yea

and you scumread worcej harder?

[brainbomb]

You scumread Bo, yes?

yea

and you scumread worcej harder?

yes

[brainbomb]

was there a point to these questions?

[worcej]

was there a point to these questions?

No.

[xorxes]

I townlean her because she appears overwhelmed, which makes sense for a town person due to the normal town lack of information.

While some think this is something she could be faking, I think it would be a lot easier to detect now and we would have seen a large increase in her quality of posting/play after coaching, but I just don't see it. I've also been against the thought that she decided to follow Bo that quickly because I cannot remember someone being that bad in their first game, let alone first scum game.

I don't remember any previous first-timer quite like her. She is not giving off usual newbie clueless, she is giving off you're-not-gonna-make-me-say-anything-lol.

Coaching may have been "just keep doing what you're doing so nobody thinks you've been coached", so I don't think that means anything.

I'm somewhat baffled by her, definitely not townreading her.

[brainbomb]

let me guess, bo and worcej are town and damo just likes seeing me get it all wrong

[xorxes]

But what happens if bozo is wrong? I see Fox as his next push because he is setting the stage up for that with his comments about kgray's reads. FWIW - I currently town-read Bo based on his responses to the pressure and divisiveness towards the scum reads he is getting. I've seen it before and thought he was scum and was wrong.

What do you mean by "divisiveness towards the scum reads"?

Is there something missing, or am I completely failing to parse what you're saying there?

[Foxcastle]

That is not very helpful if you are town.

Preventing scum-you from building a bad case is not helpful as town? Preventing town-you from tunneling is not helpful as town?

If you are town, refusing to answer my questions is not going to prevent me from "tunneling" you.

I think you are going to collect a whole list of "Foxcastle said/did this, then said/did this, and that's inconsistent and therefor scummy." But it's not, and you need only look at last game to see why not.

[brainbomb]

is it possible its bo, fox, sarah and thats why bo speculated on quitting and why fox confessed?