MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[bozotheclown]

There wasn't much interaction between kingofthepirates and DiplomacyandWarfare. kingofthepirates expressed some suspicion of DiplomacyandWarfare early D2, then voted him near the end of D2, leaving his vote on DiplomacyandWarfare while missing EOD:

so mainly this is done with the intention of looking at all reasons people gave for their various D1 votes, any similarities or interesting patterns. everything after 5 minutes before phase end is scramble time, and i think unlikely to yield any interesting reasons. So while doing it, I realized... there's like 14 people left... so I'm just gonna lookat a few interesting ones (like pivotal votes, 3rd voter, votes from people currently sus'd by others).

dip (idk first in order): switched votes most often (7 times), feels very arbitrary. mostly stuck on red based on lurking (also in general lowkey I hella sus the people on the red wagon who sited lurking as the only reason... that somewhat screams low effort scum reasoning, especially since I think there's much more to it...). Seemed intersted in a bb wagon. is that interest still there?

will: final vote on dip feels random, like there's 2 minutes left, the dip wagon is not gonna take off. Feels like trying to take an opportunity to slip off the dip wagon but also avoid the red wagon.

food: honestly? all the votes here don't seem to bad. red lurk vote is as above ig. but also has past history of doing that so... nia

mimi: "I'll move off when..." votes, I kinda get this mindset. NIA, though I can see how it might look bad in others eyes

gonna go hunt for more, I remember this morning on my phone I checked and someone's votes really ticked me off and buzzed me the wrong way... I'll see if I can find it again.

on reread, it was ghug's votes that tilted me off yesterday morning (sketchy reasons i think it was?). but today it feels better, I was probably too harsh in my judgement back then. I also have no clue what's going on rn.

##vote dip

I think it's one of the more informative flips, others (by which i mean other voters) logic feels sound, and I have a slight hunch/theory that I hope to test.

[Vecna]

are you bervous RHK?

[brainbomb]

Will has completely changed now that dip is dead and im not completely sure if thats just hunger to catch another scum or if thats his usual buddy some - target others scum meta

[Vecna]

Will has completely changed now that dip is dead and im not completely sure if thats just hunger to catch another scum or if thats his usual buddy some - target others scum meta

changed how?

[bozotheclown]

I don't think that is necessarily suspicious, but it could be bussing, and I think kingofthepirates is looking more likely as mafia be POE.

[brainbomb]

Will has completely changed now that dip is dead and im not completely sure if thats just hunger to catch another scum or if thats his usual buddy some - target others scum meta

changed how?

I was town to him while joining him on dip. And remained town throughout d1 and d2. And only once dip flipped suddenly hes got my name on all his stuff saying im performing ect. It just feels out of the blue.

[Vecna]

Will has completely changed now that dip is dead and im not completely sure if thats just hunger to catch another scum or if thats his usual buddy some - target others scum meta

changed how?

I was town to him while joining him on dip. And remained town throughout d1 and d2. And only once dip flipped suddenly hes got my name on all his stuff saying im performing ect. It just feels out of the blue.

woul d u say hes doing a bb or is is it scum motivated?

[DemonRHK]

are you bervous RHK?

I assume you mean nervous, but nah.

I left my days of stressing over mafia behind me. I Just want to keep me lines open. I have had a habit in the past of tunneling. Really, really badly. A small part of the reason I changed gears to Will is I felt like I was tunneling DW and didn't want to build my entire worldview of the game off of that single read.

[brainbomb]

I dont think we should be voting possible bussers anyway given bunnys death. They probably feel safe killing into the pool of us dip voters and we should force them to do so.

[brainbomb]

changed how?

I was town to him while joining him on dip. And remained town throughout d1 and d2. And only once dip flipped suddenly hes got my name on all his stuff saying im performing ect. It just feels out of the blue.

woul d u say hes doing a bb or is is it scum motivated?

It has a completely different core set of fundamentals behind it. With dip it felt like an instinct push which he tends to be a pro at as town. I usually witness him catching scum day 1 and people dont listen or they tune him out. He did it in champs and people ignored him even though he had a mafia dead to rights - mostly because the counter wagon was also mafia there.

But his approach to the game seems alot lazier now and more like hes looking for some little morsel to turn against people

[Vecna]

are you bervous RHK?

I assume you mean nervous, but nah.

I left my days of stressing over mafia behind me. I Just want to keep me lines open. I have had a habit in the past of tunneling. Really, really badly. A small part of the reason I changed gears to Will is I felt like I was tunneling DW and didn't want to build my entire worldview of the game off of that single read.

i believe you

[Vecna]

I was town to him while joining him on dip. And remained town throughout d1 and d2. And only once dip flipped suddenly hes got my name on all his stuff saying im performing ect. It just feels out of the blue.

woul d u say hes doing a bb or is is it scum motivated?

It has a completely different core set of fundamentals behind it. With dip it felt like an instinct push which he tends to be a pro at as town. I usually witness him catching scum day 1 and people dont listen or they tune him out. He did it in champs and people ignored him even though he had a mafia dead to rights - mostly because the counter wagon was also mafia there.

But his approach to the game seems alot lazier now and more like hes looking for some little morsel to turn against people

u think scum or 3p?

[brainbomb]

woul d u say hes doing a bb or is is it scum motivated?

It has a completely different core set of fundamentals behind it. With dip it felt like an instinct push which he tends to be a pro at as town. I usually witness him catching scum day 1 and people dont listen or they tune him out. He did it in champs and people ignored him even though he had a mafia dead to rights - mostly because the counter wagon was also mafia there.

But his approach to the game seems alot lazier now and more like hes looking for some little morsel to turn against people

u think scum or 3p?

Town

[brainbomb]

Not giving up my core beliefs ive built just because someone makes a bad faith vote. Its still a human game

[brainbomb]

Is doin a bb just wearing a hat and out loud wondering which mutliverse were in?

[bozotheclown]

miminena twice voted for a DiplomacyandWarfare counter wagon near the end of D2:

well, now that there's a DW wagon, I feel a bit more comfortable voting foodcoats

##vote foodcoats

i'll catch up on the thread in a bit to see if my reads change, I just want to get my vote down now.

i'll put some reads down for now, this is mostly thought dumping and not very well thought out so please scrutinize

confirmed town: Mimi (at least from my perspective)
pretty towny: kotp (although I should check myself on this one, since I vibe very well with them. I have a bad habit of heavily trusting mafia in in-person games.)
leaning town: Will, Spirit, DW, Bunny, ND, bozo, ghug; from towniest to nullest
null cutoff: Demon (they've lurked this whole game while seemingly pretending to be active. I don't like it, but I can't really develop a read)
leaning mafia: Vecna (this is a very slight lean, and honestly with their recent posting this might move up to a town lean. the only reason that they're a mafia lean in the first place is that they started the flash wagon on worcej, which doesn't mean that much in retrospect), foodcoats (they turned the wagon on Red into an actual wagon, and it feels weird how they went from relatively low and sporadic posting on day 1 to being the highest poster atm. maybe there's a good reason for this, please let me know if that's the case), worcej (very slight, only putting them here because of the damo kill, since they were damo's main suspicion during day 1. could definitely switch to a town lean one I look back through the end of day 1 fiasco.)
pretty scummy: nobody atm
person who I currently have a slight scum read on but everyone else seems to town read so idk: bb (their voting patterns seem very opportunist all throughout, and they claimed vt rather than town initially, which was something damo was pretty set about, so the nk on damo points to bb imo)

I'd be fine voting anyone Demon and under except for worcej rn; my preferred vote is bb, but that seems unrealistic, and second is foodcoats, but that's already a wagon and I don't want it to run away barely over 24h into they, so i'll withhold my vote for now.

I put no notes on town leans because that category is pretty much just people who are relatively null but not exactly scummy, which I don't have much reasoning for. admittedly it's a bit large, and consists of some people I haven't thought about enough. I'll work on sifting through it throughout the day

I'm not reading this...don't copy ND in anything, especially writing style.

noted. next reads list (if there is one) will be much shorter

What were you saying about mimi?

And you’re right, I’ve achieved my scumtell this game, but I think it’s because of the sabbatical.

Kind of disturbing that that sentence was totally illegible and nobody asked me about it until now...

I can't figure out what word I was trying to use, but we have a tendency to let competent and analytical new players get blanket townread regardless of their actual role. She's going to be hard to read and very liable to slip by, which scares me.

I wouldn't call myself competent... analytical, sure, but a lot of it probably isn't very good

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honestly, on a reread of their posts foodcoats feels better to me. i'm still fine with them as a vote, largely because if they are town they've left a pretty good legacy.

##vote bozotheclown

out of the non foodcoats wagons, I honestly still feel like DW is town. I might be falling into their trap (I have a bad habit of trusting mafia when I play with friends), but bozo has had very few posts and the ones they do have feel kind of empty.

She also hedged her town read of DiplomacyandWarfare here.

[bozotheclown]

I think this sequence at D2 EOD looks better for miminena, because Just had become DiplomacyandWarfare's primary counter wagon:

##VOTE Will

this vote seems like it kind of came out of nowhere, what's your reasoning?

this vote seems like it kind of came out of nowhere, what's your reasoning?

He keeps saying "wolf".

is that it? i feel like there are better reasons to be voting will so close to eod

ehh I really don't like ghug's mannerisms here

maybe there's something meta that makes this perfectly towny but it just feels so off to be voting without reason here, especially because will is a somewhat viable wagon

##vote ghug

It would make sense as mafia though if the scum team was exactly D&W/Just/miminena.

[bozotheclown]

are you bervous RHK?

I assume you mean nervous, but nah.

I left my days of stressing over mafia behind me. I Just want to keep me lines open. I have had a habit in the past of tunneling. Really, really badly. A small part of the reason I changed gears to Will is I felt like I was tunneling DW and didn't want to build my entire worldview of the game off of that single read.

What was the larger part of the reason?

[DemonRHK]

Mb.

This is the post that really put me off

It was very unlikely DiplomacyandWarfare would be DKed with 1 minute to go. Why didn't you vote your preference between worcej and Red Neurax?

oh look bozo is here
next lurker who I scumread:
##vote worcej

i don't like this vote; jumping around people like this might be indicative of a warlock, or it could give a warlock cover if they wanted to try the same thing

this isn't a read, I just think we should be careful with throwing votes out now that a night has passed

[brainbomb]

Post 409 probably makes no sense if will is mafia because he would be throwing out three options for himself and then hell bussing on his own guy.

Day-1 28:33
page 21 / orig ##VOTE GHUG

Ghug/bunny/spirit

IM CALLING BOTH GAMES

And then same search just reading for who talks about bunny d1

Mimi and kotp both dont like wills listing of bunny as mafia and then food jumps in :

Hey, wait a second...

Why doesn't Bunny have a D1 gimmick?

SCCCCCCCCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Playfully joking around here


And then wills reads

Heres where I’m at

TOWN
Miminena
Worcej (reluctantly)

Light Town
Brain
ND
Bunny

MID (not null)
Food
King
Damo
Demon
Ghug

​ LEAN WOLF
bozo
Vecna
SpiritoftheRadio

WOLF
​ DiplomacyandWarfare

Wills reads are very reasonable and not limited in scope or scale. They did change and graduate naturally