Mafia 91 - Battle for the Sunset Strip - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 1.3

Vecna (2) Ghug, Chaqa
BunnyGo (1) SpiritoftheRadio
Damo666 (1) Spartaculous
Brainbomb (1) BunnyGo
JustaGuyNamedWill (1) Brainbomb

Currently VECNA is set to be deleted

[brainbomb]

I think youve tried just about every argument you can against me and none of them have been very convincing. You are welcome to keep trying but if your goal was to get a thumbs up from worcej thats about the extent of your accomplishments

[brainbomb]

And it’s not even 24 hours into day 1…brains uptight

I think im actually doing really great. could you point to where I have been uptight?

[brainbomb]

##vote ghug

[Balki Bartokomous]

1. Brainbomb

2. Ghug - has posted a bit and voted

3. BunnyGo - has posted a good amount and seems extremely skeptical of me

4. Glitterbomb - has reminded us they are a newbie but not much else as far as if they sus anyone

5. Chaqa - has posted and pledged he will
Shoot someone

6. damo - no posts
7. Flavius no posts

8. JustAGuyNamedWill- has posted and seemed to imply he couldnt find the game thread.

9. Yoyoyozo - no posts

10. SpiritoftheRadio - a flurry of activity overnight, formed some quick scumreads

11. Spartaculous - asking theoretical questions about the setup and gimmicks

12. worcej - no posts

13. Balki no posts

14. Vecna TALKS LIKE THIS: processing : result is Vecna is funny

To clarify - I wasn’t reminding everyone I was a newbie. I was interacting with the robot and telling them bc I didn’t want to just identify as brain’s wife. So that’s what I chose as my descriptor. Didn’t think it’d be used every time Vecna refers to me now….

And as far as suspects and thoughts already said that this Bunny seems quite different to me than the previous one I played with so I’m taking that in. I also said that you (Brain) cut straight to the chase and am taking in Bunny’s observations on you. Bunny, Brain and Ghug seem to be against any kind of town strategy with respect to the guns/roses. I agree with this given the clusters I’ve been involved with and witnessed when it comes to wagoning and getting town consensus. Doesn’t seem like a strategy has even been broached regarding the day voting. When more than a third of the players have yet to post, I find it hard to feel confident in my suspicions yet. Will hasn’t seemed to add much to the game yet in my opinion. The Vecna gimmick is weird to me and has me confused and also amused. Processing everyone else.

Oooo, this stream of consciousness posting is one of my favorite forum mafia styles. You remind me of a player on Playdip called Kimpossible. I find her quite readable. And maybe you are too. I like this. Town points.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Worcej has been scum alot lately; both in mafia olympics finale where he stayed out of almost everyones reads and did not have to do a whole lot. won by just sitting back and letting the setup and the town derail. In Baldurs gate same thing he was able to stay just barely active enough to be above criticisms and was able to ride the wave of miskills into a spot where even if he died his team would win. Worcej being scum here would see that strategy as a path to winning and would probably have to post here.
Will research the style of posts he made as mafia he posted in those games to confirm but this does seem markedly more authentic and less about keeping up appearances.

I am not following this post. I can't always tell if you are talking about worcej in this game or worcej in past games. Would you please clarify:

What is Town!worcej like?
What is Scum!worcej like?
What is the worcej in this game like?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Who among the non posters would normally be pretty chatty by this point?

Who among the people who have posted less than 3 times but have at least posted do you find out of character?

Who among the people with more than 5 posts do you think are scummy?

At a little over 12 hours into D1, idk why this is being asked.

I kinda like this one from worcej.

[Balki Bartokomous]

From M89

Now I am struggling to sort if Kak is overly helpful scum or town here…

This was scum worcej hedging an early shade effort on town kak; and the manner this is said is much more “floating the idea out there”, as opposed to just having a sincere read. Contrast this with his assertive read of chaqa here and his read on me being repeated twice. Worcej isnt fooling around with trying to subtly plant an idea out there.

The overall m89 day 1 ISO is pretty slimy http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Worcej&g=89 and this definetely seems like worcej is not doing most of these shady tactics insofar

This helps clarify your prior post for me, brain. You can disregard my earlier question.

[ghug]

I have been considering the benefits and drawbacks of a probability-based approach to collectively deciding between guns and roses.

As in, we decide on some probability p of choosing a gun, and then, with that probability, everyone flips a weighted coin and chooses a gun if it comes up heads and a rose if it comes up tails.

I am not sure what the "correct" probability p would be. Does anyone have any intuition here? Should there be more guns or more roses amongst the townspeople?

This will not work. Take a rose if you're worried. Let's just play the game.

Questions:
1. Why will this not work?
2. Why are you insinuating I am worried?
3. How is this not playing the game?

1. Many people will just do what they want. Those who follow your strategy will do so because it's what they want to do. Even if we had a consensus, there's no way to hold people accountable. If you want to use a probabilistic approach instead, do right ahead.
2. You're focused on it.
3. The game is catching mafia. Discussing mechanics (in this setup) is not catching mafia.

[ghug]

INITIATING EMPATHY PROTOCOL

MY COMISERATIONS FLESHBAG, THAT SOUNDS UNPLEASANT. WHAT OCCURED FOR YOU TO BE IN THIS SITUATION?

INITIATING MEDICAL ADVICE PROTOCOL

QUERYING DUTCH MEDICAL DATABASES

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED TAKING SOME PANADOL? NINE OUT OF TEN DOCTORS RECOMMEND TAKING 3 STANDARD UNITS OF PANADOL PER DAY TO ALLEVIATE ANY AILMENT.

Ah fuck how can I vote for HK-47?

Which game specifically do you think he fits…

Assume fleshbag is Dutch for meatbag and you're 100% of the way there.

Unless they brought him back for that stupid MMO and wrote him wrong. Then I can't help you.

[brainbomb]

Worcej has been scum alot lately; both in mafia olympics finale where he stayed out of almost everyones reads and did not have to do a whole lot. won by just sitting back and letting the setup and the town derail. In Baldurs gate same thing he was able to stay just barely active enough to be above criticisms and was able to ride the wave of miskills into a spot where even if he died his team would win. Worcej being scum here would see that strategy as a path to winning and would probably have to post here.
Will research the style of posts he made as mafia he posted in those games to confirm but this does seem markedly more authentic and less about keeping up appearances.

I am not following this post. I can't always tell if you are talking about worcej in this game or worcej in past games. Would you please clarify:

What is Town!worcej like?
What is Scum!worcej like?
What is the worcej in this game like?

I dont have definitive answers to those questions. I have ideas about what worcej was like in M89 and in olympics and word is pedestrian non comittal behavior. And that was as mafia.

As town I dont have a definitive answer just ideas. He used to claim all the time and get mad as PR. Thats about all I know of his town game its emotionally fueled at times.

In this game its too soon to definitively give you an answer but I have ideas in my head that worcej is authentic and it isnt just to keep up appearances

[Balki Bartokomous]

Okay, caught up.

I feel good about Will and Glitter and maybe the whole Bomb family. I also like worcej here.

##vote spartaculous

Just really hard for me to believe that they thought the probability exercise would produce anything actionable, given the advantages of keeping selections secret and the probability that folks will not give up their agency. So it just looks like activity for the sake of looking active, which is more likely to come from someone who is pretending to engage.

Also, this post just reeks of Steve Buscemi:

Does anyone have any thoughts as to how we should approach the gun/rose decision?

[brainbomb]

Who among the non posters would normally be pretty chatty by this point?

Who among the people who have posted less than 3 times but have at least posted do you find out of character?

Who among the people with more than 5 posts do you think are scummy?

At a little over 12 hours into D1, idk why this is being asked.

I kinda like this one from worcej.

A little over 12 hours into a game with less than a handful of pages and town has not won a game in the last 7 attempts the urgency to begin dialogue and get even something going is imperative. This observation from worcej while probably echoes how some feel also illustrates the lack of urgency and attention to detail that we will require to start getting discussions going. At the time this post happened there was very little happening and the need to start having dialogues is pretty important.

[Spartaculous]

Hello.

You still have a glorious mustache.

[Spartaculous]

Cuz that works out so good for me LOL

Actually a good answer

Will has been mafia so much the natural temptation is to read everything he does as something he does when he's mafia. Must resist temptation.

[Spartaculous]

for those who care, i chose a rose. Dunno how active I'll be and at what times, but I will at least ensure we dont face the ultimate shame loss

I would not tell the scum team what you chose…

This is bad.

I mean, scum should know we all chose roses.

Come at me bitches - I'm really good at this game

Language.

##VOTE worcej

[Spartaculous]

Spartaculous played in M88
Also started that game voting damo for some reason
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Spartaculous&g=88

Sparta was funny in M88, asked lots of funky questions to people and talked some
Mech also. Not seeing anything to move me off null right now. On the one hand he is present and asking questions; and thats what he does. But maybe the damo vote is trying a bit too much to mirror how he played last time.

Not enough to scumread him for it

I spent the entirety of day 1 in M88 (my first-ever game) leaving hidden messages (that I doubt anyone ever found) inside of meaningless chitchat.

You concluded that I was for sure mafia.

Then you died a gruesome death overnight.

The end.

[ghug]

This will not work. Take a rose if you're worried. Let's just play the game.

Questions:
1. Why will this not work?
2. Why are you insinuating I am worried?
3. How is this not playing the game?

1. Because, from my perspective, I'd never coordinate by force.
2. You're talking too much about mechanics, which makes me think you're more likely scum and I like this ghug-spart potential pairing developing.
3. It is playing the game, just not how ghug wants you to.

How do you jump from me calling him out for the same thing you see to me being paired with him?

[Spartaculous]

(snipped)

I am patting myself on the back for reading this fully.

This is a lot of numbers and words to write without having any actual conclusion.

@Spartaculous, I am curious -- do you think that players are going to do what you ask them to do? I find the exercise you purport to do here interesting, but I feel like you and I both know it will accomplish nothing, because people are not going to give you agency over their choice. So, what is the point of all this work you purport to be doing?

Thank you for reading this fully!

It was done at least partially as an excuse to practice coding in R something other than a textbook exercise. I'm still not sure yet what to make of it myself. At least part of it is trying to figure out the right balance of guns and roses we should have. There's a good chance that I will choose probabilistically, even if I can't convince anyone else to go along with this.

One key is estimating the probability of a town correctly shooting a mafia. I went back and looked at M88. Near the end of day 2, there was a survey going around where players were asked to name their top 3 mafia candidates. Among the 9 town players who participated, we made 9 correct guesses out of 28 total, for a success rate of 9 / 28 = 32%. Since there were 3 remaining mafia players out of 15 at the time, the success rate if we were choosing randomly would be 3 / 14 = 21%. That's pretty impressive, in my opinion. I might try tonight to rerun some numbers based on night 2 guns for everyone.

[Spartaculous]

This will not work. Take a rose if you're worried. Let's just play the game.

Questions:
1. Why will this not work?
2. Why are you insinuating I am worried?
3. How is this not playing the game?

1. Many people will just do what they want. Those who follow your strategy will do so because it's what they want to do. Even if we had a consensus, there's no way to hold people accountable. If you want to use a probabilistic approach instead, do right ahead.
2. You're focused on it.
3. The game is catching mafia. Discussing mechanics (in this setup) is not catching mafia.

What is "it"?