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Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:59 pm
by michaelf77
Please make sure to spell my name correctly
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:59 pm
by damo666
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:56 pm
Ok thanks Squigs.
I'd like people to give me their entry fee points in *public* then, please.
I have already done so privately.
Await the door to open.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:02 pm
by Jamiet99uk
damo666 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:59 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:56 pm
Ok thanks Squigs.
I'd like people to give me their entry fee points in *public* then, please.
I have already done so privately.
Await the door to open.
Ok, I'll have to trust you I guess.
##ALLOW Damo666
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:03 pm
by Jamiet99uk
##ALLOW Michaelf77 in case the mis-spelled one didn't go through.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:05 pm
by michaelf77
By the way I am reasonably certain that I joined the cult.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:08 pm
by Jamiet99uk
michaelf77 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:05 pm
By the way I am reasonably certain that I joined the cult.
???
I thought you wanted to join my exclusive coalition? You even gave me a point. What do you mean?
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:12 pm
by michaelf77
Yes, and I am almost certain your exclusive coalition will turn out to be cult :) I'm just hoping you are a benevolent cult leader willingly sharing 3 points with us
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:36 pm
by Jamiet99uk
What an interesting theory.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:00 am
by thisisntme
I'm not sure exactly why anyone would create a Not a cult in this scenario.
It doesn't add up mathematically The cult leader must pay 3 for each person in the cult but they only earn 2 per person. Even if they request an extra point per person they have a net sum of zero.
For example, if the not cult has 5 members including the leader, the leader gets 10 points, but each player requires more than 2 if the not cult leader doesn't want to get avenged. If he gives 0 points everyone will obviously avenge and he will lose 5 points instead of gaining 10, probably the same story for 1 or 2 points except now he will be at -10 or -15. If the cult leader gives 3 to each person then they spend 15 and gain 10, a guaranteed loss of 5. If every person pays 1 to be in the cult, the leader gains 15 and loses 15, net sum of zero.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:02 am
by Squigs44
#GM Note: Points gained by cult followers do not come out of the pocket of the cult leader. Nowhere in the description does it say that. Sorry for any confusion.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:12 am
by thisisntme
thisisntme wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:00 am
For example, if the not cult has 5 members including the leader, the leader gets 10 points, but each player requires more than 2 if the not cult leader doesn't want to get avenged. If he gives 0 points everyone will obviously avenge and he will lose 5 points instead of gaining 10, probably the same story for 1 or 2 points except now he will be at -10 or -15. If the cult leader gives 3 to each person then they spend 15 and gain 10, a guaranteed loss of 5. If every person pays 1 to be in the cult, the leader gains 15 and loses 15, net sum of zero.
Sorry slightly wrong given that the cult leader neednt pay himself.
Cult leader gifts 0 points: 4 avenges: -12, income: 10, spent: 0, net gain: -2
Cult leader gifts 1 points: 4 avenges: -12, income: 10, spent: 4, net gain: -6
Cult leader gifts 2 points: 4 avenges: -12, income: 10, spent: 8, net gain: -10
Cult leader gifts 3 points: 0 avenges: 0, income: 10, spent: 12, net gain: -2
Here is what happens if they ask for 1 point for entry
Cult leader gifts 0 points: 4 avenges: -12, income: 14, spent: 0, net gain: 2
Cult leader gifts 1 points: 4 avenges: -12, income: 14, spent: 4, net gain: -2
Cult leader gifts 2 points: 4 avenges: -12, income: 14, spent: 8, net gain: -6
Cult leader gifts 3 points: 0 avenges: 0, income: 14, spent: 12, net gain: 2
Seems like a pretty poor decision to make a not cult.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:13 am
by thisisntme
Squigs44 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:02 am
#GM Note: Points gained by cult followers do not come out of the pocket of the cult leader. Nowhere in the description does it say that. Sorry for any confusion.
I see
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:15 am
by Jamiet99uk
@Thisisn'tme
Would you like to join my exclusive coalition?
You just need to publicly gift me 1 point.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:18 am
by RagingIke297
##Join Jamiet99uk coalition
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:49 am
by thisisntme
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:15 am
@Thisisn'tme
Would you like to join my exclusive coalition?
You just need to publicly gift me 1 point.
Ye already #.#allowed me
I'll pay up when I get my 8 points
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 1:04 am
by Jamiet99uk
##ALLOW RAGINGIKE
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:17 am
by thisisntme
Updated cult stats: it does make sense
Cult leader gifts 0 points: N-1 avenges: (N-1)*-3, income: 2N, net gain: 2N-3(N-1)
Cult leader gifts 3 points: 0 avenges: 0, income: 2N, net gain: 2N
Somehow I suspect I have been conned. I made my play too fast... I'd like to take back my move lol.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:57 am
by Claesar
I'm drinking and will post something in several hours from now.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:29 am
by Tom Bombadil
Claesar wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:57 am
I'm drinking and will post something in several hours from now.
To be fair, Jamie would make a great Cult leader. He is very passionate.
Re: Coalition I : The Playtest
Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:51 am
by yavuzovic
Doshy, even if I don't understand why you did that, thanks. I'm ready to help if you need anything. And foodcoats, you died!