M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

[FlaviusAetius]

Teac, I don't think we have a town!flav game

Flavius forgetting/not noticed who was NK'd shouldn't be alignment indicative imo, since he really pushed a derpy skin last game as incoherentnoob!scum

Im not smart enough to pull something off like that my friend, haha

[teacon7]

@flav - vapor scumread moscow. When you first got here, so did you. you've since dropped that case altogether.
a) why?
b) how do you read him now?

I scumread him because he was acting radically different from our last game with him. It just didn't make sense to put two and two together. Then some people said things about meta not being the end all be all, and I agreed. Its a factor to look into but shouldn't be the determinant. I have nothing else on him. Case dropped. Simple as that.

Thanks for the cogent answer. w.r.t. the non-importance of meta, who said that? just xorx? he's good, but not the be all and end all of advice, either. I guess you'll find that out in 19 hours.

moscow is usually more involved, usually more invested. here, he's lurked his way into the town side of everyone's nullreads. that's not terribly pro town. I'll grant that meta isn't everything, but you have to look into the lack-of-activity says about the information differential. if you're more involved, you're more exposed. town generally cares less about that being exposed. mafia cares a lot - being exposed means getting noticed for any reason, also getting caught in the crossfire of some other argument, or even opens up the chance of slipping. Unless he's got family who are like... dying IRL, I'd say his playstyle right now best fits what maf would want to do. lurk and laugh as town self-consciously gets itself ML'd. I could give lurking a pass d1 or d2 even because maybe it's town PR trying to hide. We're well beyond that point.

So besides it being "not moscow's meta" ... I'm beginning to think that his play is indicative of maf psych. good maf psych, too, but still maf.

[teacon7]

I have mentioned it several times of why I am so adamant about teacon, I have personal evidence; knowing vapor was town, and then all the other dead confirmed town also scumreading teacon.

Exactly none of that is personal evidence about my alignment. You're making a claim about yours, but what does that have to do with me? Did vapor's role PM include a mention of me? I usually charge for that sort of thing.

Are we really to believe so many people have made mistakes in their honest reviews? Or are they most likely right? Seems like a simple case to me. Use the evidence we have, not the speculations teacon leads us too.

Yeah that's fair. Lynch me. But for better reasons than the ones you're bringing up. ("well x y and z said so, and they're town (or *I* think they're town)", so it must be right.) You're gonna get mislead every time you play this game if you keep sheeping other people's arguments. You'll find out in 19 hours.

[FlaviusAetius]

If I was, I would have done it last game!

[ND]

If y'all get off on lynching me do it. I know for a hard fact that some do (the sadists). But whatever, I'll keep posting my thoughts. I got like less than 24 hours to live. Enjoying the game while I got my time you hear me?

@ND

What the heck was this all about?

24 hours to live? Hard fact? Please explain...

yeah thought i was getting lynched (over dramatic ... guy are you dense or something?)

[ND]

I'm at that maudlin moment in life when you realize everything you do will determine how the next 10-15 years of your life goes, and it's going terrible.

that being said, will respond to stuff now

Go away. You are scum. This is just excuses.

Ur god damn right it is.

[ND]

That's not actually all you said.

Here's what you sad:


How can that be the case? If vapor was scum, that means you're scum too. You even said that you thought vapor was scum.

You thought vapor(me now) was a cop, if what he said pointed to a cop, not a scum, why are you scumreading him as a scum now? Makes no sense. How does things that look like a cop, radically change to scum??

Does. Not. Make. Sense.

mygosh we're getting somewhere.

I thought he was acting like the cop, for reasons quoted above. I was obviously wrong.

Vapor was acting like the cop and HE WASN'T.

I can't read him as the cop anymore. What motivations does anyone have for softing that they're PR when they're not PR?

fake out you are PR, draw NK, die to protect PR u really are dense aren't you Teacon?

[ND]

You thought vapor(me now) was a cop, if what he said pointed to a cop, not a scum, why are you scumreading him as a scum now? Makes no sense. How does things that look like a cop, radically change to scum??

Does. Not. Make. Sense.

mygosh we're getting somewhere.

I thought he was acting like the cop, for reasons quoted above. I was obviously wrong.

Vapor was acting like the cop and HE WASN'T.

I can't read him as the cop anymore. What motivations does anyone have for softing that they're PR when they're not PR?

fake out you are PR, draw NK, die to protect PR u really are dense aren't you Teacon?

Teacon rambling about how he thinks Vapor is the cop, after mafia killing cop like N1 makes me think he is trying to seed this idea.. something like this OOOOHHHH I THOUGHT VAPOR WAS COP OOOOHHHH I WAS THINKING THAT SO I WOULDNT POSSIBLY NK RD

That's pretty like transparent teacon. Are you pulling the wool over me?

[ND]

Teac, I don't think we have a town!flav game

Flavius forgetting/not noticed who was NK'd shouldn't be alignment indicative imo, since he really pushed a derpy skin last game as incoherentnoob!scum

Im not smart enough to pull something off like that my friend, haha

underselling yourself huh who the fuck says something like that?

[Percy Williams]

##vote teacon

I will be catching up right now

EMC, this is ridiculous. There are 15 min left and it's 3-3-2.

I will not stand for it not one more day with emc and his shannigans

Me: *looks back at Flavius' vote*
This is not what I meant Flavius.

[FlaviusAetius]

Hey, Im fine going emc, vashta, you in any order. Right now you're the wagon.

[FlaviusAetius]

Teac, I don't think we have a town!flav game

Flavius forgetting/not noticed who was NK'd shouldn't be alignment indicative imo, since he really pushed a derpy skin last game as incoherentnoob!scum

Im not smart enough to pull something off like that my friend, haha

underselling yourself huh who the fuck says something like that?

I was talking about last game, I just didnt say it all in one post

It was supposed to be "Im not smart enough to pull something off like that my friend, haha. Or I would have done it last game!"

[ND]

k

[ND]

v-o-t-e e-m-c
people geez

[Percy Williams]

Flavius is acting Radically different from his last game. I've only seen one Flavius game, but this is obviously different style! C'mon guys we have to lynch him, he's so obviously scum!

[Percy Williams]

EmC, he's a towny boy, hope the summer refreshes you. My main concerns are
1. Pushing on Vashta
2. NOT lynching our Town!Teacon (clearly we had a town v. Town fight.
3. flavius' play being erratic accusatory and unhelpful.

[Percy Williams]

Do you understand why you need to take a broader view now Flavius?
Get some actual evidence!

[FlaviusAetius]

Im only acting like this because I am 100% sure its teacon.
I know its never good to be 100% sure in mafia, but I know he just has to be.
There's too much evidence for him not to be. Too many people for him to be wrong in.
Too much trying to discredit townspeople.
Too much trickery, too much of too much.
Killing xorxes was a mistake, and he led us to that fate.

Kill him guys. It was too many people's last dying wish.
He's a scum. We can kill emc and vashta too, but he's the wagon right now.
I will have to be on at EoD, if not I'll switch to emc since his wagon might pick up the pace, especially with his shannigans.
But teacon needs to die eventually. I'd hope today.

[teacon7]

hey percy.

do you think lurking is AI at this point in this game?

[FlaviusAetius]

EmC, he's a towny boy, hope the summer refreshes you. My main concerns are
1. Pushing on Vashta
2. NOT lynching our Town!Teacon (clearly we had a town v. Town fight.
3. flavius' play being erratic accusatory and unhelpful.

I've laid out the evidence against teacon quite a lot, same as xorxes when he was a live, I'll pull it all back up tomorrow, I have to go to bed now