M54: Not a Carrot Conspiracy

[Fluminator]

I'm torn on which one to vote right now.

[brainbomb]

The speed boat chugged through the icy cold slosh of Huron. Janet killed the motor to ditch Marco's body over into the dark blue water. "Goodbye Marco" she whispered.
In the distance she could see a thin strip of land. "Ontario", she mused. they have a cure there. maybe.. ice cream even

VOTE TALLY DAY 3
xorxes (2) Chaqa rdrivera2005
Pjandy (1) Jamiet99uk
Chaqa (1) Foxcastle

End-votes (0/15)

Non-votes: Balki Bartokomous, bozotheclown, BunnyGo, damo666, e.m.c^42, Fluminator, kgray, Pjandy, BobMcBob, worcej, xorxes

[BunnyGo]

Willing to lynch Flum, emc or Chaqa

I'm down on 2/3

Which of Chaq and EMC are you down with

[damo666]

##vote chaqa

[Chaqa]

Chaqa's evolution:

End voting is an awful idea and you guys are being insane to consider it.

+3 scum to any end voters

Why aren't you voting for Vecna, then?

Well, then it would be tied and someone could come in and hammer the day.

Oh, we need two more. Okay, fine.

##Vote Vecna

Hammer voting still is a bad idea.

It takes away a day of wagon analysis that will be crucially useful later.

That said, we do need more information.

Ugh.

Absolutely am against hammering this until Vecna has a chance to make a claim, FYI.

I'm hesitant for us to end this right now, for two reasons:
1. There seems to be absolutely no one defending Vecna, which I would expect at least a little of if he were scum.
2. Five people haven't yet cast votes. Three of them haven't posted. We would essentially have no information on any of them.

see, im postong and people try to endvote me. already afraid their easy mislynch wobt go through.

later losers. youre all still terrible at mafia

Endvoting is dumb.

##end

Oh I so want to call his bluff.

In fact, I'm strongly considering doing so.

Not sure if Vecna actually giving up, or Vecna pretending to give up.

Not sure how to read him without Caesar roleplay or :SQUAWK:-ing.

I'm firmly against hammering this.

Why? Vecna is hammering himself.

You want to hammer him go ahead. I won't be one of the 9 is all.

I'm being annoyed by Vecna's attitude on this.

Flum, if you want to hammer, I guess I'll join, mainly to just get the information about this whole situation.

##END

PLEASE HOLD PHASE HAS ENDED

So you went from "endvoting is an awful idea", "endvoting is dumb", "I'm firmly against hammering this", "I won't be one of the 9" to being the one who seals the deal.

Even after Vecna voted to end himself, you were still against it, and needed more persuading.

I explained I made the change after he flat out lied about “look at the last 10 games I played” bit

[BunnyGo]

<snip>
I explained I made the change after he flat out lied about “look at the last 10 games I played” bit

Do you think most players check things like this or just say how things feel?

[Jamiet99uk]

Sulit/Bob ISO:

- Arrives p.22 and doesn't like Brainbomb's chariot entrance. Asks about the bot, gets bored, goes to play Minecraft.

- When Bunny votes Sulit for pressure, Sulit says "Later" and *pretends* to log off. (This struck me as a sassy VT reaction as I noted earlier).

- The *pretending* to log off was revealed when Bunny said "I see you lurking" and sulit responded with the "uwu" comment that caused Bunny to get confused and pissed off.

- On p.26 Sulit feels like reading up, and later on that page says "Brainbomb why you do this?". I presume this was a reaction to Brainbomb's post: "I suggest all players cease posting as you may accidentally be answering a questiom for someone else."

- On p.27, Sulit called out a post by kgray, which discussed Balki and Vecna arguing about the word "coast" from back on page 5, with an "ewwwww" response and "NAGL for kgray". (I have read the post again, and I encourage others to, and I cannot for the life of me understand why Sulit had such a negative reaction to it).

- On p.29 there's quite a lot of interesting stuff:

1. She asks me why she was on my list of 5 town for Bozo's survey.
2. She is confused about who "Jojo" is (like I was).
3. She townreads Bo_Sox for being "spicy" in telling BunnyGo to fuck off.
4. She responds to a post from Brainbomb in which he says PJandy's lurking is "NAI" by disagreeing: "I don't see Pjandy no posting as NAI, especially if he's new".

Regarding this fourth comment, I ask Sulit "which alignment does it indicate?" and she replies "Scum".

Responding to Bozo's survey (p.30) Sulit listed four townreads: Me, Brainbomb, Bo_Sox and EMC.

She says she is fully read up, at that point.

//Then Sulit vanishes and is replaced, on p.65, by BobMcBob//

BobMcBob has made four posts so far, one of which is really just a "hello" post which feels anchor-y. The others:

- Bob is sad about town deaths and discusses the Watcher mechanics.
- Examines the four "VT" claims and doesn't like Fluminator.

Bob's most recent post is on page 83 and is anchoring as all hell. Go look yourselves.

Comments on this ISO in my next post.

[Jamiet99uk]

So comments on Bob McSulit:

1. Had townreads on both Brainbomb and Bo_Sox (see 3 below).

2. Listed EMC as a townread in Bozo's survey but at no other point mentioned EMC at all. This is odd.

3. Interacted with BunnyGo quite a bit, though didn't get the "Jojo" reference, and appeared antagonistic towards Bunny as if trying to get a reaction. Her only stated reason for townreading Bo_Sox was that he swore at BunnyGo.

4. Scumread Pjandy which was her only clear scumread. Also had an apparent scumlean on kgray for a reason that is not clear.

5. Bob McBob's first and fourth posts are anchor posts, and the other two aren't much better.


Verdict:

- I now believe this slot is SCUM.

- The unexplained townread on EMC is suspicious and it is possible that EMC and Bob/Sulit are scum together, because if she knew Bo, Brain and I were all town, you might want to put one scum on your town list, both to potentially protect them and to avoid having suspiciously accurate early reads.

- It is also possible that the interaction with BunnyGo was scum/scum theatre.


##VOTE BOBMcBOB

[BunnyGo]

So comments on Bob McSulit:

1. Had townreads on both Brainbomb and Bo_Sox (see 3 below).

2. Listed EMC as a townread in Bozo's survey but at no other point mentioned EMC at all. This is odd.

3. Interacted with BunnyGo quite a bit, though didn't get the "Jojo" reference, and appeared antagonistic towards Bunny as if trying to get a reaction. Her only stated reason for townreading Bo_Sox was that he swore at BunnyGo.

4. Scumread Pjandy which was her only clear scumread. Also had an apparent scumlean on kgray for a reason that is not clear.

5. Bob McBob's first and fourth posts are anchor posts, and the other two aren't much better.


Verdict:

- I now believe this slot is SCUM.

- The unexplained townread on EMC is suspicious and it is possible that EMC and Bob/Sulit are scum together, because if she knew Bo, Brain and I were all town, you might want to put one scum on your town list, both to potentially protect them and to avoid having suspiciously accurate early reads.

- It is also possible that the interaction with BunnyGo was scum/scum theatre.


##VOTE BOBMcBOB

Thanks. This was very clear.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@mafia, I am patient zero. Please protect me, and generally follow my lead.

@town, nothing to see here folks. I'm vanilla town.

@mafia, *wink.

Are you implying that the rest of the scumteam don't know who patient zero is?

Do we know the answer to this?

I'm trying to do a re-read. Just noticed this post from Bozo.

So, one way scum identify themselves is by trying to look like they don't know a secret. Scum obviously have more knowledge than the rest of us, and so sometimes they actively try to suggest that they don't know something, when they are actively trying to hide their additional knowledge.

That might be what Bozo does above. This is at a time when nobody had confirmed with the GM how Patient Zero worked. This is basically exactly how one might expect scum to respond to an open question like that in the thread. Bozo is essentially conveying: "HEY GUYS, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE SCUMTEAM KNOW THE IDENTITY OF PATIENT ZERO!"

So...is it different than we could expect Town!Bozo to respond. I'm not totally sure. Town!Bozo, curious about this, might ask this question in the thread. That's possible. He also might go right to the GM and ask, or he might say what he thinks the rule is.

So, this isn't definitive, but I think it's decent evidence to suggest that Bozo is scum. As this is exactly how I expect scum to interact with their secret knowledge in the thread.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are you implying that the rest of the scumteam don't know who patient zero is?

Do we know the answer to this?

I'm trying to do a re-read. Just noticed this post from Bozo.

So, one way scum identify themselves is by trying to look like they don't know a secret. Scum obviously have more knowledge than the rest of us, and so sometimes they actively try to suggest that they don't know something, when they are actively trying to hide their additional knowledge.

That might be what Bozo does above. This is at a time when nobody had confirmed with the GM how Patient Zero worked. This is basically exactly how one might expect scum to respond to an open question like that in the thread. Bozo is essentially conveying: "HEY GUYS, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THE SCUMTEAM KNOW THE IDENTITY OF PATIENT ZERO!"

So...is it different than we could expect Town!Bozo to respond. I'm not totally sure. Town!Bozo, curious about this, might ask this question in the thread. That's possible. He also might go right to the GM and ask, or he might say what he thinks the rule is.

So, this isn't definitive, but I think it's decent evidence to suggest that Bozo is scum. As this is exactly how I expect scum to interact with their secret knowledge in the thread.

Conversely, you, Balki, were "pretending" you *did* know the answer to this question, although what you pretended you "knew" was wrong....
...right?

[Jamiet99uk]

@BunnyGo:

Thank you, I am glad you found my post clear. I am fond of clarity, if not always of brevity.

Can you talk us through Sulit's flippant response to your pressure vote? How did you feel about it at the time, and what do you think about the Sulit/Bob slot now?

[xorxes]

So you went from "endvoting is an awful idea", "endvoting is dumb", "I'm firmly against hammering this", "I won't be one of the 9" to being the one who seals the deal.

Even after Vecna voted to end himself, you were still against it, and needed more persuading.

I explained I made the change after he flat out lied about “look at the last 10 games I played” bit

I would say it was an exaggeration rather than a lie. I'm sure I have said similar things about myself in the past and I know it is not true that I am always killed early even though sometimes it feels that way. So I don't think Vecna saying that was particularly noteworthy. The self-hammer was much worse but you still were opposed to hammering him for that.

[Jamiet99uk]

I was about to do an iso of Nephpthys but then I realised that would not be productive.

[Jamiet99uk]

EMC has 21 posts. I'll do him now.

[BunnyGo]

@BunnyGo:

Thank you, I am glad you found my post clear. I am fond of clarity, if not always of brevity.

Can you talk us through Sulit's flippant response to your pressure vote? How did you feel about it at the time, and what do you think about the Sulit/Bob slot now?

At the time it reminded me of the games I’d been determined to skip day 1 (because I hate it). So I figured it was her(?) way of doing it. Now that bob isn’t here too? I dunno. He did say that was why he was only a sub. But I’m not impressed. Null to scum lean. I hope he turns up, because between him, andy, and EMC we have three unused slots.

[Jamiet99uk]

@BunnyGo:

Thank you, I am glad you found my post clear. I am fond of clarity, if not always of brevity.

Can you talk us through Sulit's flippant response to your pressure vote? How did you feel about it at the time, and what do you think about the Sulit/Bob slot now?

At the time it reminded me of the games I’d been determined to skip day 1 (because I hate it). So I figured it was her(?) way of doing it. Now that bob isn’t here too? I dunno. He did say that was why he was only a sub. But I’m not impressed. Null to scum lean. I hope he turns up, because between him, andy, and EMC we have three unused slots.

I am willing to wager that 1-2 of those is scum.

The reason I am now re-reading EMC is I'm trying to work out if I have a good reason to town-read any of the three of them.

[Jamiet99uk]

I am willing to wager that 1-2 of those is scum.

Note - this is not an attempt to violate the rules on betting.

[BunnyGo]

@BunnyGo:

Thank you, I am glad you found my post clear. I am fond of clarity, if not always of brevity.

Can you talk us through Sulit's flippant response to your pressure vote? How did you feel about it at the time, and what do you think about the Sulit/Bob slot now?

At the time it reminded me of the games I’d been determined to skip day 1 (because I hate it). So I figured it was her(?) way of doing it. Now that bob isn’t here too? I dunno. He did say that was why he was only a sub. But I’m not impressed. Null to scum lean. I hope he turns up, because between him, andy, and EMC we have three unused slots.

I am willing to wager that 1-2 of those is scum.

The reason I am now re-reading EMC is I'm trying to work out if I have a good reason to town-read any of the three of them.

That makes sense. I know Andy IRL and he’s usually better than this with online games. I dunno what’s up. I just taught him diplomacy and he soloed his first match as Italy (granted all 7 were noobs)

[Foxcastle]

I am willing to wager that 1-2 of those is scum.

Note - this is not an attempt to violate the rules on betting.

There are no rules on betting, only a legend that those rules exist, and that they are inscribed on a copper tablet that is guarded by an ancient priesthood of rules lawyers.