MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

How am I not towny after Dip flipping, I was the person most adamantly trying to kill him

VCA negates your words. I also thought you were too adamant that Red was town.

Now I'm getting all mixed up. Maybe Will IS scum.

Maybe the best wagons for today are Will versus worcej, because they can't both be scum. But they COULD both be town, so... no...

What changed your perception?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Hang on a theory popped into my head

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Ok so

Brain fits a few criteria

He flipped from Dip to Worcej last second D1

And he was an early and stagnant voter on Dip D2

I think its likely a wolf would do one of these, but both? Lol

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Credit to food calling brains notes performative because I probably woulda forgotten about brain if food didnt

I believe Brain’s notes are just baseline observations and then like

A weird meta analysis of Ghug? Feels out of nowhere

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Thats just

Idk

Its weird

Brain has been werd but hes been posting some towny things so I’ve ignored it

[foodcoats]

Surface level it does not look good

But we can’t ever know truly what the reason for it was, hence me being unsure

Okay, but can you explain what made you think "Bunny dying does not look good for bozo?"

Bozo was in Bunny’s solve

Why?

It seems like you were purely throwing shade, then, because you're saying, "Bunny dying looks bad for bozo because Bunny thought bozo was scum, but I don't know how or why." Bunny could've been killed for his reads, or for some other reason. But you leveraging Bunny to shade bozo, with no additional thoughts or reasoning of your own, seems scummy.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##VOTE BRAIN???

Science???

[Jamiet99uk]

Several of the villagers sat around in the square.

"The Romans, eh, remember the Romans?"

"Of course not, they left Anglia hundreds of years ago. My dad once found a Roman coin though."

"Bloody Romans. What did the Romans ever do for us?"

"Well, they built some pretty good roads. Great record keepers, too, the Romans."

"Is that so?"

"Oh yes, great libraries, they had, packed to the ceiling with accurate records, annals, ledgers... especially as it pertained to the birth, life and times, and execution on the cross of our lord, Jesus Christ, amen."

The villagers looked at their neighbour quizzically.

"He's been eating those funny mushrooms again..."


VOTE COUNT 3.1

JustAGuyNamedWill (2) - ND, ghug
ghug (1) - DemonRHK
bozotheclown (1) - miminena
foodcoats (1) - brainbomb
DemonRHK (1) - foodcoats

JustAGuyNamedWill is the lead suspect on the list, at this time.

Just over 30 hours remain in the third day.

[foodcoats]

No, these are entirely different things

I’m saying worcej is town because he was the flash CW to dip

I’m saying I’m town bc I pushed Dip all day and all night

Different circumstances

Alright, fair enough. Although I think town could've pushed the worcej wagon, so he is not clear; and I know for a fact that you will hard bus teammates, so you are not cleared for pushing Dip.

Your certainty is what is really worrying to me now. Getting really certain and adamant about stuff is the problem when you're scum, because you are hedged in by various ideas and allegiances that town does not have. I remember Nespresso Patronum and bozo nearly catching me in two separate games I was scum when I had fallen into those certainty cracks, and I had to fight and fight and fight not to die.

Im not certain, obv. Just highly confident

Yeah, I get ya. But I guess its just a difference in playstyle. I have seen numerous instances of it elsewhere, and thus am confident that this trend continues here

Wdym hedged in by allegiances and ideas? Like how I’m finding ppl town/scum?

What I mean is that scum are often hyperaware that their moves and opinions need to be justified to some degree, and are more aware of what they have said and done in the past - so there is more likelihood that scum get "locked in" to a perspective than town does. I might be evaluating too narrow a band of your reasoning to know if this is really the case here, but I am just... not in agreement that things are so black and white, which now has my scumdar firing on your bogeys.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

This is like the 3rd or 4th time I’ve voted just seconds before Jamie posts a VC

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Alright, fair enough. Although I think town could've pushed the worcej wagon, so he is not clear; and I know for a fact that you will hard bus teammates, so you are not cleared for pushing Dip.

Your certainty is what is really worrying to me now. Getting really certain and adamant about stuff is the problem when you're scum, because you are hedged in by various ideas and allegiances that town does not have. I remember Nespresso Patronum and bozo nearly catching me in two separate games I was scum when I had fallen into those certainty cracks, and I had to fight and fight and fight not to die.

Im not certain, obv. Just highly confident

Yeah, I get ya. But I guess its just a difference in playstyle. I have seen numerous instances of it elsewhere, and thus am confident that this trend continues here

Wdym hedged in by allegiances and ideas? Like how I’m finding ppl town/scum?

What I mean is that scum are often hyperaware that their moves and opinions need to be justified to some degree, and are more aware of what they have said and done in the past - so there is more likelihood that scum get "locked in" to a perspective than town does. I might be evaluating too narrow a band of your reasoning to know if this is really the case here, but I am just... not in agreement that things are so black and white, which now has my scumdar firing on your bogeys.

And I mean thats fair

But I’ve learned to solve in a way that I have to take some things as black and white in order to get anywhere

If I don’t, then I’m just gonna be suspicious of everyone and considering ulterior motives of anyone, and thus have to work off some assumptions and general ruels

If I solve using those, and it ends up being wrong, *then* I reassess the basis for reads

[foodcoats]

VCA negates your words. I also thought you were too adamant that Red was town.

Now I'm getting all mixed up. Maybe Will IS scum.

Maybe the best wagons for today are Will versus worcej, because they can't both be scum. But they COULD both be town, so... no...

What changed your perception?

The idea that you were adamant that Red was town. Although I am not convinced, now, having checked your iso, that worcej had it right. It was only with 8 minutes to go on D1 that you even expressed that you believed Red Neurax was town. But that's odd because earlier in the day you had said you were okay with all the wagons, which included Red's. All this about wagonning lurkers is actually ex post facto. But you did manage to chime in against Red's wagon just before he flipped.

On the other hand, the main alternative at that time was Diplomacy. So if you were scum, downplaying the Neurax wagon risked Dip. So...

I think I'm back to town Will.

[foodcoats]

And since I'm back to town Will, I'm back to... scum worcej?

No, they just can't be scum together.

Will and worcej by POE both town.

So... ND, RHK, brain, maybe mimi are my preferred wagons now.

[foodcoats]

##VOTE BRAIN???

Science???

Just Food!

##VOTE brainbomb

[Jamiet99uk]

This is like the 3rd or 4th time I’ve voted just seconds before Jamie posts a VC

Oh you buggers, the pair of you.

VOTE COUNT 3.1(a)

JustAGuyNamedWill (2) - ND, ghug
Brainbomb (2) - JustaGuynamedWill, foodcoats
ghug (1) - DemonRHK
bozotheclown (1) - miminena
foodcoats (1) - brainbomb

[foodcoats]

##VOTE DIP

sorry worcej wagoners I want this over worcej a teensy bit

This last vote flip to Dip is still really sus though.

[foodcoats]

Better idea

##Vote Will

RHK Why did you flip from Dip to Will yesterday?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If Brain is scum then Ghug is scum as well

[foodcoats]

If Brain is scum then Ghug is scum as well

Why do you say that?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If Brain is scum then Ghug is scum as well

Why do you say that?

Brain has had strange defenses of Ghug

The one that stands out to me is his posting analysis of Ghug over N2, which while fine in a vacuum, is incredibly weird that the only one he did was Ghug