MAFIA LVIII (58) - WITCHFINDER GENERAL - GAME THREAD

[Durga]

You were in both of those minigames, a GM mistake caused the abandonment of M1012 and Brian was town in M1013, M57, M1014.

Wait Vecna, do you not remember this?

The actual numbers of the games in which brian hamilton played? How would I remember that lol, im not an excel sheet.

Oh, I thought you straight up just didn't remember you were in the minigames

[bozotheclown]

My thinking is, usually Day 1 that involves TvT has a lot of people (typically scum) on one-off wagons or very minor wagons. Day 1 with such a close flip that was town and so many wagons makes me really think there was a scum up on the block, and if that's the case, EMC, Damo, and Yoyo/Bob make the most sense.

So, that said, the Yoyo/Bob wagon probably is fine too, and I'd vote for any of those three, and probably no one else. The only thing going against this theory is the HR kill, which I would expect someone from a wagon that isn't the main one to be killed (to protect my theorized scum in EMC/Damo/YoyoBob), but HR could just be a fearkill type situation.

Chaqa, my friend, did you sub in as scum this time? Lol. This post reads kind of...bleh, is it just me?

I was thinking the same about you.

Maybe you are both right.

[flash2015]

@Fox - summary of Flash case?

Lurking, not contributing, making easy votes with little thought or explanation.

? I gave my explanations.

[bo_sox48]

Why in the hell would we use day 2 to try and get more info out of day 1, and why would you ask this instead of seeing if you can't find reason to scumread one of the other wagons from day 1?

My thinking is, usually Day 1 that involves TvT has a lot of people (typically scum) on one-off wagons or very minor wagons. Day 1 with such a close flip that was town and so many wagons makes me really think there was a scum up on the block, and if that's the case, EMC, Damo, and Yoyo/Bob make the most sense.

So, that said, the Yoyo/Bob wagon probably is fine too, and I'd vote for any of those three, and probably no one else. The only thing going against this theory is the HR kill, which I would expect someone from a wagon that isn't the main one to be killed (to protect my theorized scum in EMC/Damo/YoyoBob), but HR could just be a fearkill type situation.

This does not answer my question in the slightest. Please answer my question.

Furthermore, if day 1 is town v town, why would the second leading wagon be someone you're willing to vote for today?

Because I am obviously town?

Scum wouldn't say this.

Given the possibility of a lie detector, I get where you’re coming from but I frankly wouldn’t expect anyone to be thinking about this with every word they type given that everyone has already given a statement for the lie detector to use.

I'm torn between scumreading flash and being irked by how lazy this is.

Why? Flash is doing exactly what I was critical of HB and damo for doing on day 1. I missed it until I reread him after a couple posts today, so I’m down to put some pressure on him. Is it lazy to you because someone else started the wagon and I joined in on it to give it some credence or because I didn’t write an essay explaining why I did it?

HB’s vote on Flash later is definitely lazy, and his unvote screams “oops I didn’t mean to be in this situation” to me. Bozo’s makes some sense as a “gotcha” but I’m not sure why it only occurred to him he could vote for flash after numerous other people had. Got any views on those, or any of the other votes for flash that I’m not remembering in the moment?

Something about the flash lynch really irks me. It reminds me of the Bismarck wagon before

How so?

I’m kind of annoyed that I just woke up in the middle of the night, decided to read up on this thread because I hate myself, and found nothing more than a page and a half of ghug shitposting

Is there anything about it that is AI to you?

As I recall no, but if you want to sift through the casual flirting I’d say his conversations with Durga could probably reveal both of their alignments if you really dug.

My issues with HB are that as town he has, without failure, every time, said something SO RIDICULOUS that you wouldn't believe scum would ever say that. But he's being insanely cautious in this game. Now, that can be that he doesn't wanna make another silly mistake, but it could also be that he's scum.

Could also be that he’s getting better, ya know

Why would I uniquely have been the scum on Bismark wagon?

Why were you on the Bismarck wagon?

If we are going to kill a low information slot today, I would prefer it be someone other than Bob.

Which are the high info slots bozo?

If you want to classify all slots as low or high, all slots except emc, flash, Hamilton, Chaqa, and Bob.

The fuck is this shit

E.m.c hasn't shown anything yet indicating he is town.

Has he done anything to indicate he is scum?

So no actual reasoning too?

See above.

[rdrivera2005]

Since you've been doing the digging already, do you happen to know which games he participated in? Or at least one of his towngames?

You were in both of those minigames, a GM mistake caused the abandonment of M1012 and Brian was town in M1013, M57, M1014.

thanks

I don't see anything too scummy about HB, but in the last games he was town then he was obviously town at some point and on this game this didn't happen.

[flash2015]

I prefer flash to Bob. I find flash agreeing with worcej 2 minutes after voting for him suspicious:

Maybe! Worcej could very well be on a quest to better himself, like a Buddhist monk of WebDip Mafia... But I think the simpler explanation is scum meta (motivation to be less abrasive and obtrusive) versus town meta (lack of a need to control).

I could go along with this.

##VOTE worcej

I've never had a larger scum boner for you from a statement like this.

You usually always push your own cases and make your opinion known. Now you are sheeping?

Ooh, good point.

##VOTE Vecna

##VOTE flash

I am responding as I read rather than reading everything then responding. worcej's criticism of Vecna seemed more compelling than Fox's case on worcej so I switched.

[damo666]

Starting a 10th wagon

##vote HamB

Because?

He seems uncomfortable.

[Durga]

HB didn't vote for anyone d1 right? And he's not voting for anyone now either? I'm not sure why he would not vote twice as town.

[damo666]

Starting a 10th wagon

##vote HamB

Because?

He seems uncomfortable.

Or as rdr says he hasn't obvtowned.

[flash2015]

I don't know, but I think it's very likely, and that doesn't change the fact that I thought it was sus that everyone was voting Bismarck without explaining why and it came up so suddenly and this is how I feel the flash wagon is going

I do not think it is accurate to say the Bismarck wagon came up suddenly, look at the times of the first 4 votes for him: 45:53, 23:34, 4:51, 2:29. That is about as slow as a wagon could develop.

This is how the flash wagon feels too though. And the important part is that no one has a real reason for voting flash.

I'm not saying flash is town, he's null for me, but I don't know if someone who's posted 4 times is the best lynch atm

For the record, at the time Vecna said this, I had actually posted 10 times...

[bo_sox48]

HB didn't vote for anyone d1 right? And he's not voting for anyone now either? I'm not sure why he would not vote twice as town.

That's fair, maybe he's not getting better lol

[damo666]

Starting a 10th wagon

##vote HamB

You know what, I think I will ##vote hamilton

He's been somewhat less aggresive than I recall his town game being, let's see if prodding will do anything.

You do know there's more than 2 hours left to EOD?

[ghug]

This 100%

And I can't shake the feeling that yoyo is scum based on his d1 and his decision to quit the game.

Is there a precedent? Has he done this before...or given any indication in the past that he doesn't like playing scum?

He made a point either in the minigame or in the last big game where he subbed in late that he's always too scared to participate heavily as scum.

[ghug]

I'm online until around 4:15 my time (about 2 hours from now) and then I have to get ready for and leave for a date, so I'll try to keep an eye on things as I wrap up work.

I'm not super crazy about the flash wagon, but Hamilton seems like a reasonable option, though I'd prefer Bob, damo, or EMC.

Wear a mask

[damo666]

I'm online until around 4:15 my time (about 2 hours from now) and then I have to get ready for and leave for a date, so I'll try to keep an eye on things as I wrap up work.

I'm not super crazy about the flash wagon, but Hamilton seems like a reasonable option, though I'd prefer Bob, damo, or EMC.

Wear a mask

snigger

[Durga]

Yeah I'm actually pretty comfortable with this vote

I know i'm being lazy af by asking you this but @summit do you remember if HB voted for anyone d1 in his scum game?

[flash2015]

Yoyo’s wagon looks super scummy to me. Maybe he’s not scum. Or at least maybe Yoyo and Worcej aren’t scum together.

I agree that Yoyo's wagon looks sketchy...

Who do you think is scum in Yoyo wagon?

It feels wrong voting for someone that hasn't even appeared at all today. Yoyo/Chaqa is still your top scumread?

[bo_sox48]

I'm okay with both wagons, so I guess I'm gonna do a little digging in a bit to see how the wagons actually came about and make a move off of that. I definitely don't think we're at town v town right now, just doesn't really feel that way.

[flash2015]

I don't have more than a NAI from Bob so far.

[ghug]

Why in the hell would we use day 2 to try and get more info out of day 1, and why would you ask this instead of seeing if you can't find reason to scumread one of the other wagons from day 1?

My thinking is, usually Day 1 that involves TvT has a lot of people (typically scum) on one-off wagons or very minor wagons. Day 1 with such a close flip that was town and so many wagons makes me really think there was a scum up on the block, and if that's the case, EMC, Damo, and Yoyo/Bob make the most sense.

So, that said, the Yoyo/Bob wagon probably is fine too, and I'd vote for any of those three, and probably no one else. The only thing going against this theory is the HR kill, which I would expect someone from a wagon that isn't the main one to be killed (to protect my theorized scum in EMC/Damo/YoyoBob), but HR could just be a fearkill type situation.

This does not answer my question in the slightest. Please answer my question.

Furthermore, if day 1 is town v town, why would the second leading wagon be someone you're willing to vote for today?

Because I am obviously town?

Scum wouldn't say this.

Given the possibility of a lie detector, I get where you’re coming from but I frankly wouldn’t expect anyone to be thinking about this with every word they type given that everyone has already given a statement for the lie detector to use.

I'm torn between scumreading flash and being irked by how lazy this is.

Why? Flash is doing exactly what I was critical of HB and damo for doing on day 1. I missed it until I reread him after a couple posts today, so I’m down to put some pressure on him. Is it lazy to you because someone else started the wagon and I joined in on it to give it some credence or because I didn’t write an essay explaining why I did it?

HB’s vote on Flash later is definitely lazy, and his unvote screams “oops I didn’t mean to be in this situation” to me. Bozo’s makes some sense as a “gotcha” but I’m not sure why it only occurred to him he could vote for flash after numerous other people had. Got any views on those, or any of the other votes for flash that I’m not remembering in the moment?

Something about the flash lynch really irks me. It reminds me of the Bismarck wagon before

How so?

I’m kind of annoyed that I just woke up in the middle of the night, decided to read up on this thread because I hate myself, and found nothing more than a page and a half of ghug shitposting

Is there anything about it that is AI to you?

As I recall no, but if you want to sift through the casual flirting I’d say his conversations with Durga could probably reveal both of their alignments if you really dug.

My issues with HB are that as town he has, without failure, every time, said something SO RIDICULOUS that you wouldn't believe scum would ever say that. But he's being insanely cautious in this game. Now, that can be that he doesn't wanna make another silly mistake, but it could also be that he's scum.

Could also be that he’s getting better, ya know

Why would I uniquely have been the scum on Bismark wagon?

Why were you on the Bismarck wagon?

Which are the high info slots bozo?

If you want to classify all slots as low or high, all slots except emc, flash, Hamilton, Chaqa, and Bob.

The fuck is this shit

E.m.c hasn't shown anything yet indicating he is town.

Has he done anything to indicate he is scum?

So no actual reasoning too?

See above.

God you're exhausting.

The rd thing was a joke. I null read him. Everyone already told the lie detector they're town.

The flash vote is lazy because it wasn't explained well and it was on a low poster. You clearly don't mind writing essays normally.

Why are you characterizing my long conversation with Seth as shitposting?

I don't remember struggling to get through your posts with my sanity last game. Does that make it town indication?