MAFIA 77: RETURN TO THE WEST [GAME THREAD] - [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

Scum percentages inspired by Damo:

lfischl 80%
Balki Bartokomous 75%
bozotheclown 55%
damo666 55%
rdrivera2005 25%
bo_sox48 10%

[damo666]

We can’t really do anything until Bo rejoins or is replaced.

Is there some rule about inactivity for some length of time triggering a sub?

He's got another 25 hours.

I believe Fox is available as a sub from Monday but there's a good while yet. Let's hope he returns.

[damo666]

##vote Bozo

Why Bozo?

I don't like his post about bo's vote

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote lfischl

[BunnyGo]

We can’t really do anything until Bo rejoins or is replaced.

Is there some rule about inactivity for some length of time triggering a sub?

Why do you fixate so hard? There’s at least 2 other scum and at least 2 of them are in the VT pool. Find someone else to investigate. If Bo wants to play the rest of the game making his 2 posts a day…he’s allowed.

[Balki Bartokomous]

We can’t really do anything until Bo rejoins or is replaced.

Is there some rule about inactivity for some length of time triggering a sub?

Why do you fixate so hard? There’s at least 2 other scum and at least 2 of them are in the VT pool. Find someone else to investigate. If Bo wants to play the rest of the game making his 2 posts a day…he’s allowed.

Why would he do that?

Why would you guys find it to be acceptable?

I will investigate plenty, but this makes the game significantly poorer and I’d like a GM to do something about it, especially when a player says they aren’t coming back.

[bozotheclown]

Bo did it 20 minutes to go though.

bo_sox hadn't posted for over 4 hours when he posted 23 minute before EOD. If bo_sox came back at that time, his choices would have been to stay off the wagons, break the T vs. T tie, or cause a 3 way tie. As mafia, there would be no reason to stay off the wagons since the top 2 were town.

As the top 2 were town I would say there was every reason to stay off as mafia and monitor the situation.

I suppose it is WIFOM, but voting for one of the top wagons is the "town" thing to do, so what would bo_sox gain by waiting longer as mafia?

Overall I think it is NAI, but bo_sox trying to enforce the worcej hammer when he did not vote for worcej N1 looks scum motivated, especially coming from bo_sox, who I would not expect to go along with hammering a player he did not suspect for a potential gambler item.

[BunnyGo]

We can’t really do anything until Bo rejoins or is replaced.

Is there some rule about inactivity for some length of time triggering a sub?

Why do you fixate so hard? There’s at least 2 other scum and at least 2 of them are in the VT pool. Find someone else to investigate. If Bo wants to play the rest of the game making his 2 posts a day…he’s allowed.

Why would he do that?

Why would you guys find it to be acceptable?

I will investigate plenty, but this makes the game significantly poorer and I’d like a GM to do something about it, especially when a player says they aren’t coming back.

I’m voting for him. It’s Not Acceptable as my teammate, but it’s allowed in the rules.

I interpreted his post as needing 24 hours away. Not leaving the game. The GMs can check in if he wants a sub. As the game is still going…I’ll play as is and like it.

[bozotheclown]

We can’t really do anything until Bo rejoins or is replaced.

Is there some rule about inactivity for some length of time triggering a sub?

Why do you fixate so hard? There’s at least 2 other scum and at least 2 of them are in the VT pool. Find someone else to investigate. If Bo wants to play the rest of the game making his 2 posts a day…he’s allowed.

Why would he do that?

Why would you guys find it to be acceptable?

I will investigate plenty, but this makes the game significantly poorer and I’d like a GM to do something about it, especially when a player says they aren’t coming back.

I don't find it acceptable, because his last post made it sound like he was quitting, but apparently has not requested a sub.

[bozotheclown]

Why do you fixate so hard? There’s at least 2 other scum and at least 2 of them are in the VT pool. Find someone else to investigate. If Bo wants to play the rest of the game making his 2 posts a day…he’s allowed.

Why would he do that?

Why would you guys find it to be acceptable?

I will investigate plenty, but this makes the game significantly poorer and I’d like a GM to do something about it, especially when a player says they aren’t coming back.

I’m voting for him. It’s Not Acceptable as my teammate, but it’s allowed in the rules.

I interpreted his post as needing 24 hours away. Not leaving the game. The GMs can check in if he wants a sub. As the game is still going…I’ll play as is and like it.

Actually, I won’t see yall tomorrow. I need less mafia in my life.

Good luck.

His post is open to interpretation, but it has now been over 48 hours since his last post.

[damo666]

Why would he do that?

Why would you guys find it to be acceptable?

I will investigate plenty, but this makes the game significantly poorer and I’d like a GM to do something about it, especially when a player says they aren’t coming back.

I’m voting for him. It’s Not Acceptable as my teammate, but it’s allowed in the rules.

I interpreted his post as needing 24 hours away. Not leaving the game. The GMs can check in if he wants a sub. As the game is still going…I’ll play as is and like it.

Actually, I won’t see yall tomorrow. I need less mafia in my life.

Good luck.

His post is open to interpretation, but it has now been over 48 hours since his last post.

I think we can leave it to the GMs.

Let's ignore it and carry on.

[BunnyGo]

##vote Damo

He’s too chipper.

[BunnyGo]

##vote Damo

He’s too chipper.

Which irks me…if I’m right, he’s getting better at scum play.

[KoalaAttack]

A non-specfic PR claimant voting another non-specific PR claimant when there are only 3 PR claimants is bizarre in the extreme.

I don't understand. It's only bizarre in the extreme if you believe everyone's claims, no? But aren't at least 3 claims lies, like, by definition?

I mean, if you just believe the claims, I seriously don't get how this game works. Say I am Mafia next time – why wouldn't I just hardclaim Doctor ASAP? I think I'm missing something here.

[KoalaAttack]

I am back and will try to answer any questions directed at me in the backscroll now!

Starting with:

I still have the idea of group action after I got screwed by last one – but fine, I'm a PR. Now I'll be out for most of the day, good luck.

Thank you

Also I’m guessing Damo will ask now if your belief worcej is scum is because you’re the doctor.

No, my believe worcej is Mafia is based on the following:

- so I think it's pretty clear to everyone involved that I am willing to vote worcej, right?

- great... so now, let's assume for a second that worcej is indeed the Doctor

- am I understanding it correctly that Doctor is the best one to kill for the Mafia?

- if so, wouldn't it be oh-so-easy for Mafia to pretend they believe my many arguments suspecting worcej, jump on that bandwagon, and we have 4 worcej votes

- then, they both get worcej dead *and* tee up an easy frame for myself. 2 wins in one play

...

but this hasn't happened – which means, either all the Mafia are really bad at this game, or there must be another reason – right?

[KoalaAttack]

@Koala can we assume you are not doctor or do you want to cc?

You're just gonna have to gamble on that one

[KoalaAttack]

I’d really like Bo to come play or get a sub.

Barring the unforeseen, Bunny, Koala, and worcej are clear Town, which is lovely.

I disagree! On 2 counts.

First, while I am indeed Town, I think this is clearly unverifiable for anyone who is not me. And I think for you to say I am "clear Town" after last night and yesterday is, frankly Suspicious.

Second, my new Mafia suspects list is Bunny, worcej, and Balki (in that updated order)

Balki both for this suspicious post and the N1 group action fake-out.

[KoalaAttack]

[quote=KoalaAttack post_id=325234 time=1674413242 user_id=173
@Koala you do realise your vote implies you believe Bo is a non-doctor PR. What is your evidence for this? I think you should rethink your vote.

I don't follow. You lost me at this claiming business, because as I understand it 3 of the claims are lies.

Am I like, fundamentally mis-understanding something here? My bad, but please help me out here.

[worcej]

@balki:

If scum have hooker &/or strongman, shouldn’t they have offed worcej last night to be done with a guessing game?

Or were they scared of watcher?

Assuming Bo is not a PR, worcej is hard clear town, so who knows why scum did not try to kill him. Most likely reason is that they were trying to avoid getting caught by watcher/tracker.

Ghug is usually a smart kill anyway.

Usually it’s the fact I am wrong and people won’t rally around me normally lol

[KoalaAttack]

He should use his vote more wisely.

It is not clear from KoalaAttack's posts that he had read BunnyGo's PR claim yet.

OK

No folks, I saw them – I just seriously don't understand what is the deal with this claiming business being taken at face value with at least 3 liars in the group by definition. Is there some weird Mafia ethics, or some common mechanic that I'm just flat out missing here?

Please explain.