MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[miminena]

with this NK i'm honestly back on bozo

they were right above the null line in dw's reads, which feels like just the right amount to make bozo look good while still distancing themselves in case bozo flipped scum.

they were heavily town read by damo, so possibly they wanted to coast on a town read from a towny player by getting the kill in early

now bunny is dead, who was scum reading bozo for most of day 2

##vote bozotheclown

[ghug]

scum is hunting 3p i think, RIP bunny

Tell me more.

RIP bongo

bunny wasnt an unlikely miskill, maybe medium likely, and only me and bozo were his scum reads, and he was kind of not hunting in a very impressive way, his posts about me didnt make sense and he was kind of hurr durring at my shitposts from the start of the game (I say that with respect for the dead). I think mafia thought he was 3p. Unless bozo got real paranoid bunny was onto him, but that seems like a stretch.

Couldn't they have been PR hunting too? Or trying to confuse us? Seems like a stretch to jump to that specific conclusion.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Tell me more.

RIP bongo

bunny wasnt an unlikely miskill, maybe medium likely, and only me and bozo were his scum reads, and he was kind of not hunting in a very impressive way, his posts about me didnt make sense and he was kind of hurr durring at my shitposts from the start of the game (I say that with respect for the dead). I think mafia thought he was 3p. Unless bozo got real paranoid bunny was onto him, but that seems like a stretch.

Couldn't they have been PR hunting too? Or trying to confuse us? Seems like a stretch to jump to that specific conclusion.

maybe, I can have theories though, and I dont think mine is unreasonable. Mafia always talk and have a conversation about it, usually confusion is difficult to manage and happens less predictably than shooting for PR's or 3p, and 3p is easiest to hunt for mafia since they know the other person acting scumming who isn't them is the 3p

[Vecna]

dont think theres a ton of value in speculating why bunny was killed. Were not even certain if the mafia was in control of their own kill.

Both kills do smell like simple PR hunting with killing the people that were trying to be under the radar

[Vecna]

I dont really have anyone I wanna kill right now.

time to do some soul searching

[brainbomb]

##Vote Foodcoats

[bozotheclown]

with this NK i'm honestly back on bozo

they were right above the null line in dw's reads, which feels like just the right amount to make bozo look good while still distancing themselves in case bozo flipped scum.

they were heavily town read by damo, so possibly they wanted to coast on a town read from a towny player by getting the kill in early

now bunny is dead, who was scum reading bozo for most of day 2

##vote bozotheclown

This is not quite accurate, I don't think BunnyGo indicated he was scum reading me until later D2.

[bozotheclown]

Are you saying someone is more likely to be mafia if they push mafia?

More likely than average, yes.

even if this is true, what are we accomplishing by telling everyone that if they push a mafia, they are more likely to be scumread?
For a specific example, it would be nice to have the 3p make a decent effort at genuinely scumreading because they would think it would get them towncred

##vote ghug

This has the potential to be early distancing.

[bozotheclown]

why is ND self voting
##VOTE red neurax
for lurking

DiplomacyandWarfare's first vote for Red Neurax made him the first to leave the ghug wagon, which was still the top wagon at the time.

[bozotheclown]

Screw it. I want more info.
##vote ND

This put ND in a tie for the lead, but it also put DiplomacyandWarfare in a tie for the lead as it dropped Red Neurax back to 4 votes. Still, it doesn't seem like a likely thing to do to a teammate.

[bozotheclown]

Do you have a game number?

M87 where he was on the Angel team, multiball game

How about M1034, where scum spent the entirety of d2 pushing me for more or less this exact reason?
##vote brainbomb
I'm tired of being pushed based on faulty perceptions of my playstyle

This could be mutual bussing, but seems more likely that DiplomacyandWarfare was trying to discredit brainbomb's case.

[bozotheclown]

brainbomb is the lead poster and there's obviously nobody joining the brainbomb wagon today so I will go back to ##VOTE RED NEURAX

oh shit red is here
##vote red neurax

DiplomacyandWarfare's second and third Red Neurax votes appear to be self protection.

[bozotheclown]

##vote worcej

##vote worcej

When DiplomacyandWarfare voted for worcej, worcej's wagon had all of the momentum, it would have been extremely risky to leave the Red Neurax wagon when he did if worcej was his teammate, so very unlikely bussing.

[bozotheclown]

##vote bozo
didn't see much from this d1 other than sheeping other people's wagons. Also, zero posts today
#NoLurking

##VOTE DIP

sorry worcej wagoners I want this over worcej a teensy bit

It was very unlikely DiplomacyandWarfare would be DKed with 1 minute to go. Why didn't you vote your preference between worcej and Red Neurax?

oh look bozo is here
next lurker who I scumread:
##vote worcej

I am town and I am fairly confident worcej is town.

[bozotheclown]

The top wagon is 2 votes and nobody has voted me today, which is making me anxious because I'm likely going to end up flashwagoned at some point.
Moreover, the foodcoats wagon is relatively low-quality, the vecna wagon is going nowhere, and I'm the only one on the worce wagon
And voting ND just encourages ND to make a bigger deal out of the whole situation and his stupid "dip is acting dumb" arc.
but screw it
##vote ND

DiplomacyandWarfare may have been right about drawing attention to himself by voting for ND, and I think the D1 vote makes it unlikely he was bussing ND.

[bozotheclown]

seems like it's time for a readlist
---TOWN---
dip
ghug
brain
---will vote to save people ABOVE this line---
miminena
Vecna
bozo
---null line---
kotp
bunny
will
worcej
---I would be happy to see anyone BELOW this line be the kill today---
spirit
Demon
ND
---SCUM---

well, if nothing else, this readlist reminded me that spirit is in the game, and spirit has been lurking and contributing almost nothing, therefore

##VOTE SPIRITOFTHERADIO

The comment about forgetting SpiritoftheRadio was in the game is odd considering he had a long post about him earlier D2:

Next wagon I don't quite understand: Spirit
Post group 1: "I am joke posting but Demon made the roleblock post before I could so"
wait
wtf

I believe their early posting was slightly towny because they seemed to want to help town and had an eagerness to play which i see in newere players

will and dip facing off early, knowing the best money is on one of you two getting day oned. prolly both nervous town, but I'd be betting on you if I were the guy

So this is kind of long-winded
but
The 3p is either a witch or a warlock. I think spirit might be the witch referring to the warlock ("the guy" seems like a way of referring to the masculine-associated 3p, especially from the perspective of someone who is the witch). Also seems to be subtly profiling players for potentially prs (the comment about "nervous town" seems like it would be how a vt read would be presented), which also fits with the witch, whose main goal is to find prs!
TLDR: I think spirit is the Witch 3p

post group 2: "everyone thinks I'm a warlock" (???) "and here's some low-quality posts"
post group 3: "shit post, shitpost, shit post. Also brain is correct about saying that this is how I normally post"
Post group 4: "here's a read list" (!!!) "and I'm going to be annoying about the lie detector statement thing"
Post group 5: "here's a theory about voting, and I scumread food" (votes food)
Post group 6: "I always forgot that I'm mafia" (???) "but I'm town. the ND wagon is shitty and here are some posts of similar quality"
Post group 7: "Hi I'm back and I'm voting red because I don't scumread dip or ND, but I am also not joining the worcej wagon"

votes:
ghug: "using '/s' is scummy"
miminena: "I want a town claim from spirit"
food: "I am mad that spirit is scumreading non-posters"
brain: [no reason given]

conclusion: The spirit wagon was shitty and spirit is probably town, although the 3p theory does hold merit, between the stubbornness about claiming town and the potential witch slip
light townread on that

My guess is that DiplomacyandWarfare would be more consistent about reads on his teammates, and not start distancing voting a teammate after townreading them about 9 hours earlier.

[bozotheclown]

##vote will
I really wish that I had time to read everyone's posts and make a decision, but I have 8 minutes and I am somehow a wagon today

I think this vote for Just is inconclusive. If DiplomacyandWarfare had voted for anyone else there, Just would look bad when DiplomacyandWarfare flipped mafia. DiplomacyandWarfare did make some posts that made it seem like he was trying to get Just DKed over him:

##vote ghug

since he has people and bozo doesnt

unacceptable. ghug is towny.

actual reasons behind scumreading me will has stated today: 0

However, DiplomacyandWarfare didn't make a town PR claim, which might have been able to divert the DK to Just.

[bozotheclown]

Conclusion from DiplomacyandWarfare's vote history: worcej, ND, and SpiritoftheRadio likely town or 3P, everyone else slightly more likely scum by POE.

[ghug]

I'm pretty sure will and dip are town, I dont like this, idk why everyone is scumming them so hard

he has yet to adress the issue of putting me in his towntier while he was throwing shade and scumreads my way all game up untill that point.

I would be entirely happy to flashwagon a lurker or something

I think this makes Vecna look good and Will look bad.

[bozotheclown]

he has yet to adress the issue of putting me in his towntier while he was throwing shade and scumreads my way all game up untill that point.

I would be entirely happy to flashwagon a lurker or something

I think this makes Vecna look good and Will look bad.

Vecna would certainly have had to be very committed to bussing DiplomacyandWarfare for them to be teammates. I looked up the progression Vecna was talking about:

if only ND or D&W was there as an alternative to Worcej in the end.

At least the flash wagon had as a minor positive that worcej became sort of obvtown. No way he would be scum here and not claim PR with 4 minutes to go and his wagon picking up steam.

so kind of you to scumpair yourselves by making this claim

just get better at it and realize that people trying hard to act towny and being fake as fuck is what you should focus on instead.

I dont get why youre making this case though.

You never get involved day1.

This great concern for the common good feels like we should sniff you a bit more

I’m more and more interested in Vecna’s “worcej arc.” It’s like Vecna was coaching worcej - or buddying?

Quite likely a buddying attempt. Notably, worcej has continually expressed scumreads of vecna

I’m more and more interested in Vecna’s “worcej arc.” It’s like Vecna was coaching worcej - or buddying?

I was the first to be suspicious of worcej and the first to get the wagon started, and the first to question the common narrative of worcej being active always equating to him being town.

I cannot even begin to understand how any of this can even be conveived of as coaching. what a load of horsecum

breaking news: Vecna admits to bussing worcej

seems like it's time for a readlist
---TOWN---
dip
ghug
brain
---will vote to save people ABOVE this line---
miminena
Vecna
bozo
---null line---
kotp
bunny
will
worcej
---I would be happy to see anyone BELOW this line be the kill today---
spirit
Demon
ND
---SCUM---

well, if nothing else, this readlist reminded me that spirit is in the game, and spirit has been lurking and contributing almost nothing, therefore

##VOTE SPIRITOFTHERADIO

I suspect DiplomacyandWarfare would have kept track of the way he was reading his teammates enough to be more consistent. This is similar to what I pointed out about how DiplomacyandWarfare had concluded SpiritoftheRadio was probably town 9 hours before this vote.