M1027: Community - Game Thread

[heartthrob24909]

Kak is here +1'ing so i dont like that he hasnt voted yet

I would like to point out this D1 post again, where heart was voting for the mafia wagon while trying to convince other players to vote for the town wagon.

@heart

I want to see your response if you have not already

Just replied to Bozo pointing this out before getting to you. I agree that it's bad optics. In the moment, it made me feel uneasy seeing Kak visibly active while not voting (contrast w Ham last game who appeared to be online and I hastily voted last minute thinking that was a tell). This time felt ickier knowing Kak was definitely present

[heartthrob24909]

Well, the night result was pretty good, one clear and one possible miskill NKed, if Investigator keeps hidden and we catch scum today we can probably win this one.

I think both Ghug and Sweet are good wagons. Ghug because he is being Ghug but with less teeth and Sweet is just being all over the place but can't really see where he is coming from.

Bozo is a bad wagon, at least for today, if he is alive later and not Investigated we can worry about him.

I will ##vote Hamilton right now as I still think he is just floating around. His interaction with Bozo was the first time he showed up but it's NAI at most as they approach the game in opposite ways no matter alignment.

Other then Dargo, my town core includes Heart, MM and Will. Won't vote those. Probably Jamiet too.

I think I disagree that Sweet is a good wagon... will def eat my words if I'm wrong but I'm reading him more as someone who just has trouble articulating his points and has to flounder while they keep getting misinterpreted.

Sweet's antics basically guarantee that he'll be a DK at SOME point, whether bc he's actually scum or bc he ends up being a miskill, so I'd almost prefer we save that for later and focus on other people right now. Lmk if this is completely off base though... I'm open to being told to shut up about this lol

It is impossible to make genuine ones because as Mafia you already know the fucking answer.

Making a "read" involves deduction. It is not possible to deduce an answer you were handed in writing at the outset of the game!

This is a valid point to make, and one I agree with, but I can't get behind it being justification for voting for Sweet right now in this game

heart was also actively discouraging the sweetandcool wagon D2, without ever saying he thought sweetandcool was town.

Your read is consistent with what I was doing. Maybe I need to get over this in my playstyle but I don't like explicitly townreading or scumreading people that much early on, it feels rigid. I don't think that sweet's behavior in that conversation, which was causing others to scumread him, was necessarily basis for a scumread/vote.

Sweet has proven to be reactive, confrontational, doesn't take everything too seriously, and has some bravado. I don't think any of these traits are bad traits and I definitely don't think they are necessarily scummy. I do think they make him stand out but he seems not to mind. His conviction over being able to place accurate scumreads while on the scum team is a position that many including myself disagree with but i don't see that as "scummy" in isolation - it's just a far cry from how I play and how I'd describe myself.

In this instance I felt like people were using their strategic differences with Sweet as basis for a scumread and I didn't think that was necessarily valid.

In my opinion, clearer basis for a scumread would be:
- coming up with votes and reads without a lot of basis behind them
- repeatedly claiming Vanilla Town

Q. for the masses: have we seen Sweet play town before? I've only seen him as scum and he was DK'd on Day 1.

[sweetandcool]

I think I disagree that Sweet is a good wagon... will def eat my words if I'm wrong but I'm reading him more as someone who just has trouble articulating his points and has to flounder while they keep getting misinterpreted.

Sweet's antics basically guarantee that he'll be a DK at SOME point, whether bc he's actually scum or bc he ends up being a miskill, so I'd almost prefer we save that for later and focus on other people right now. Lmk if this is completely off base though... I'm open to being told to shut up about this lol

This is a valid point to make, and one I agree with, but I can't get behind it being justification for voting for Sweet right now in this game

heart was also actively discouraging the sweetandcool wagon D2, without ever saying he thought sweetandcool was town.

Your read is consistent with what I was doing. Maybe I need to get over this in my playstyle but I don't like explicitly townreading or scumreading people that much early on, it feels rigid. I don't think that sweet's behavior in that conversation, which was causing others to scumread him, was necessarily basis for a scumread/vote.

Sweet has proven to be reactive, confrontational, doesn't take everything too seriously, and has some bravado. I don't think any of these traits are bad traits and I definitely don't think they are necessarily scummy. I do think they make him stand out but he seems not to mind. His conviction over being able to place accurate scumreads while on the scum team is a position that many including myself disagree with but i don't see that as "scummy" in isolation - it's just a far cry from how I play and how I'd describe myself.

In this instance I felt like people were using their strategic differences with Sweet as basis for a scumread and I didn't think that was necessarily valid.

In my opinion, clearer basis for a scumread would be:
- coming up with votes and reads without a lot of basis behind them
- repeatedly claiming Vanilla Town

Q. for the masses: have we seen Sweet play town before? I've only seen him as scum and he was DK'd on Day 1.

The pocketing is strong with this one.

It has been a bit of a strange game for me, I've not been very nice.

By your metric, I will never tick your box for baseless voting, regardless of alignment. However, I've almost certainly already ticked the 2nd box..... which actually I almost always will regardless of alignment.

If it helps you, I like to ride the edge, which always seems to get me strongly scumread by a few and Towned by a few. And it can help me hunt (:

[ghug]

Instant reaction to bot before going back and reading - how much does it screw us that we got it wrong...

End of N3 will be 5v3
Then 5v2 when we get ghug
4v2 after N4

Not worst case scenario ever if I have that right but that sucks

It's gonna really suck when you miskill me tomorrow and we're down two because people don't vote like they're supposed to.

[heartthrob24909]

Alright, I'm caught up, just in time for bed. Unfortunately with work having started back up it's trickier for me to proactively prepare much to say vs reacting to everything which isn't a position I like to find myself in but oh well.

Some observations before I go:
- I agree with what I believed to see as the consensus: for the VTs to target BK3K.
- Bozo has positioned himself as a (the?) top analytical figure at this point of the game.
- Jamie stopped picking fights with VT claims on Night 2. The VT claim in question belonged to Ghug, who has since then famously been confirmed as Vanilla Town. He did take note of it later on but did not take offense as he had when Sweet had (a lot more subtly) done the same at the start of D1.

I'm going to vote for darg so as not to cloud the result.

- Worcej's recent townread of Rdr was succinct, articulate, and I agree with the points he made. I haven't decided if I like Worcej or not because of it.

Hopefully I'll be able to dig back in 24h from now for some more substantial takes. Good night, friends and foes...

[sweetandcool]

Instant reaction to bot before going back and reading - how much does it screw us that we got it wrong...

End of N3 will be 5v3
Then 5v2 when we get ghug
4v2 after N4

Not worst case scenario ever if I have that right but that sucks

It's gonna really suck when you miskill me tomorrow and we're down two because people don't vote like they're supposed to.

See, this is the type of energy we want. Support your teammates and try to win. The nonsense posts are a dead giveaway and clog up the forum. It's disappointing, you're better than that :/

[sweetandcool]

Instant reaction to bot before going back and reading - how much does it screw us that we got it wrong...

End of N3 will be 5v3
Then 5v2 when we get ghug
4v2 after N4

Not worst case scenario ever if I have that right but that sucks

It's gonna really suck when you miskill me tomorrow and we're down two because people don't vote like they're supposed to.

See, this is the type of energy we want. Support your teammates and try to win. The nonsense posts are a dead giveaway and clog up the forum. It's disappointing, you're better than that :/

Then again, you and your team chose damo for the NK, so maybe I overestimate you

[ghug]

It's gonna really suck when you miskill me tomorrow and we're down two because people don't vote like they're supposed to.

See, this is the type of energy we want. Support your teammates and try to win. The nonsense posts are a dead giveaway and clog up the forum. It's disappointing, you're better than that :/

Then again, you and your team chose damo for the NK, so maybe I overestimate you

Mad your team overruled you?

[bozotheclown]

It seems like ghug, sweetandcool, and heart have been hanging out in the mafia chat all night.

[sweetandcool]

It seems like ghug, sweetandcool, and heart have been hanging out in the mafia chat all night.

Maybe we're just bored. Can't wait to see the NK and investigation result.

[rdrivera2005]

Ok. Ghug is scum and it isn't a big surprise. We are still in a good position if we got at least two more scans.

I would not try to influence Investigator as I think we had enough discussion this night

Still have some pages to read.

[Jamiet99uk]

Fine, ok then, let's go with Bk3k

Wait can someone explain the parity check

If the VTs select BK3K, we will know if BK3K and the investigator target have the same alignment or a different alignment.

This is of course only correct if a majority of VTs does choose BK3K.

[Jamiet99uk]

panin aitan parven päähän
vaskisehen vakkasehen.
Viikon on virteni vilussa,
kauan kaihossa sijaisnut.
Veänkö vilusta virret,
lapan laulut pakkasesta,
tuon tupahan vakkaseni,
rasian rahin nenähän,
alle kuulun kurkihirren,
alle kaunihin katoksen,
aukaisen sanaisen arkun,
virsilippahan viritän,
kerittelen pään kerältä,
suorin solmun sommelolta?
Niin laulan hyvänki virren,
kaunihinki kalkuttelen
ruoalta rukihiselta,
oluelta ohraiselta.
Kun ei tuotane olutta,
tarittane taarivettä,
laulan suulta laihemmalta,
vetoselta vierettelen
tämän iltamme iloksi,
päivän kuulun kunniaksi,
vaiko huomenen huviksi,
uuen aamun alkeheksi.

Stop spam.

[Jamiet99uk]

The bot is not displaying Monarch's D3 vote for sweetandcool in the vote count.

That is because the GM posted the "Monarch has died" message before the "Day Has Ended Early" message.

The Bot is programmed to dis-count the votes of people who have died during the phase, mostly to deal with the effects of Day Vig shots, etc.

[Jamiet99uk]

Instant reaction to bot before going back and reading - how much does it screw us that we got it wrong...

End of N3 will be 5v3
Then 5v2 when we get ghug
4v2 after N4

Not worst case scenario ever if I have that right but that sucks

It's gonna really suck when you miskill me tomorrow and we're down two because people don't vote like they're supposed to.

Just accept that you're mechanically caught and you're going to die.
It's nothing personal but you don't need to be a sore loser.

[Jamiet99uk]

- Jamie stopped picking fights with VT claims on Night 2. The VT claim in question belonged to Ghug, who has since then famously been confirmed as Vanilla Town. He did take note of it later on but did not take offense as he had when Sweet had (a lot more subtly) done the same at the start of D1.

You realise Ghug is outed as scum, yah?

[Jamiet99uk]

Wait.

Am I going mad?

We have confirmed Ghug is scum.... haven't we?

(Checks notes).....

Yes, Ghug is scum:

1. On N2 the town consensus guessed Ghug as he was the second wagon on D2.
2. At EoN2 the GM declared MadMonarch to be Town.
3. At EoD3 we flipped MadMonarch who was Town, meaning the N2 investigation was accurate.
4. Investigations are accurate when the town consensus guess is scum.
5. On N2 that was Ghug, therefore Ghug is mechanically confirmed as scum.

Okay, good, I'm not going mad.

[BK3K]

Thoughts (paranoid thoughts).

Bozo has really taken control of this. He's certain it's Heart and Sweet. Generally, the points make sense, but I have doubts and I'm not as informed/deep in the analysis so I don't have knowledge to say much of my own. Is there any chance he's playing us?

There does seem to be about half of us desiring to do known cop instead of Paris cop. We should make that a decision next night. It might be too late to change course tonight without causing a lot of confusion

[Jamiet99uk]

Thoughts (paranoid thoughts).

Bozo has really taken control of this. He's certain it's Heart and Sweet. Generally, the points make sense, but I have doubts and I'm not as informed/deep in the analysis so I don't have knowledge to say much of my own. Is there any chance he's playing us?

There does seem to be about half of us desiring to do known cop instead of Paris cop. We should make that a decision next night. It might be too late to change course tonight without causing a lot of confusion

The good thing is, tomorrow we kill Ghug regardless, and we can debate all this.

[Chaqa]

It's gonna really suck when you miskill me tomorrow and we're down two because people don't vote like they're supposed to.

See, this is the type of energy we want. Support your teammates and try to win. The nonsense posts are a dead giveaway and clog up the forum. It's disappointing, you're better than that :/

Then again, you and your team chose damo for the NK, so maybe I overestimate you

It gives “scum sniping at each other” vibes