M1021 - Blessings of Lilia - GAME THREAD [hidden]

[BesharamSabi]

##vote bona

I get this sense that everyone is town and Eden and Ghug are running some experiment here.

We're at 7 town 3 scum. The worst thing we can do now is bring in new wagon. Snowy, Aaro and Rdriveria all had damo and bona as scum. I won't vote outside this pairing today. I can't see any other candidate getting wide support.

honestly 100% possible

also, snowy had me as scum???

Check his eon2 post

[Bonatogether]

looking at D2 votes I find the following of interest:

5 minutes out Maniac voted Bona making it Bona 3 Kak 2 aaro 2 me 2

Subsequently DL moved from Kak to aaro and TFB moved from me to aaro.

Could either or both of these been to protect Bona?

I think Bona is the right kill for today. If he flips scum then strongly consider TFB next.

Could either or both of those have given reasons in thread that lined up with their previous and later statements? Curious.

Try that again in English please.

[Bonatogether]

Maniac has not done a great deal I am ready to admit but the reasons I think he is town are:

Firstly, his unvote from me. I know this won't look as significant to others ignorant of my alignment but I have the advantage of knowing I am town so this makes it very towny in my eyes. Remember he also correctly townread Snowy in that post.

Secondly his vote his vote from Unvote to Jamie 27 minutes from EOD2 when the votes were Maniac 3 Aaro 3 Kak 2 me 2. Hardly the move of a scumbag is it? He correctly didn't vote for town aaro when he could easily have done so, neither did he vote for Kak.

Another post I liked though I'm not so sure I agree with it is his post townreading Pyxxy for the way Pyxxy introduced a wall post. [I guess there is a slim chance of PyxxyManiac scum pair but I disregard that for now.]

Being right isn't a towntell, and that's like half your reasoning gone right there.

So now you accept I'm town? Move off me then.

???

[Bonatogether]

BDP
BDT
BKP
BKT
BPT
DMT
DPS
DPT
DST
KPS
KPT
KST
PST

This is the list excluding C, J and M. Mainly for my own benefit.

why can I never be on a team with sabi? I don't get what you think these are the only possible teams

It's one of my unstated assumptions. You can work them out if you can be bothered.

What are these assumptions?

[damo666]

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as i see it, there's a difference between 'i believe this person is scum', and 'i'm absolutely 100% without a doubt convinced this person is scum'. I believe the name for it is tunneling

So who is 100% convinced who is scum?

Did I say you were scum? No. I said you were tunneling.

I don't understand. Are you saying that I said I was 100% convinced you are scum? Where did I say that?

[TheFlyingBoat]

Did he? Oh well.

I did. I don't think anyone should be excluded in the basis of that kill. Snowy is a good investigator and was the most active player this game. I don't think there is a single player that wouldn't kill him tbh.

I would have argued leaving him for at least another night to create suspicion but yeah I agree that discussing the nk won't help. If you are town then according to my latest that makes the scum team BKP. What do you think?

Kak and Pyxxy are in my PoE so I could see either or both being scum. I don't see bona being scum. I'm reasonably confident in that read and have him as third in my town list.

[damo666]

Could either or both of those have given reasons in thread that lined up with their previous and later statements? Curious.

Try that again in English please.

Yes if you would be so kind.

[damo666]

Being right isn't a towntell, and that's like half your reasoning gone right there.

So now you accept I'm town? Move off me then.

???

You are saying Maniac was right. He correctly moved off me because I am town. You are voting me. You are voting a townsperson.

[damo666]

why can I never be on a team with sabi? I don't get what you think these are the only possible teams

It's one of my unstated assumptions. You can work them out if you can be bothered.

What are these assumptions?

See my response to TFB

[damo666]

I did. I don't think anyone should be excluded in the basis of that kill. Snowy is a good investigator and was the most active player this game. I don't think there is a single player that wouldn't kill him tbh.

I would have argued leaving him for at least another night to create suspicion but yeah I agree that discussing the nk won't help. If you are town then according to my latest that makes the scum team BKP. What do you think?

Kak and Pyxxy are in my PoE so I could see either or both being scum. I don't see bona being scum. I'm reasonably confident in that read and have him as third in my town list.

Ok lets' assume you Bona and I are all town and Kak and Pyxxy are scum who is the third member? Sabi?

[damo666]

@Bona would you be willing to switch to Kak if I do?

[DeathLlama8]

i gotchu damo

##vote kak

[TheFlyingBoat]

I would have argued leaving him for at least another night to create suspicion but yeah I agree that discussing the nk won't help. If you are town then according to my latest that makes the scum team BKP. What do you think?

Kak and Pyxxy are in my PoE so I could see either or both being scum. I don't see bona being scum. I'm reasonably confident in that read and have him as third in my town list.

Ok lets' assume you Bona and I are all town and Kak and Pyxxy are scum who is the third member? Sabi?

If you were town I think I'd need to fundamentally reread a lot of the game. I did think there was the potential for a Kak-Sabi team earlier and I could see pyxxy being on that team if you were town but I just don't see it as likely that you're town given how this game has played out

[DeathLlama8]

I'd prefer a damo vote to bona/maniac, and a damo scum flip would be really good for us, but I'm not really convinced the VCA points that clearly to damo being scum / the EOD movement off damo being scum-driven.

if there's something I'm missing I'd love to hear it (tfb/jamie probably) but if scum are committed to an early vote of scum!damo I really don't see them jumping off at the last minute to save him - they're more likely to either not vote him in the first place, or bus him and claim towncred for doing so.

tfb, as a VCA connoisseur, would you mind explaining more on why the VCA is so bad for damo? I'm still not really seeing how it makes him look worse

[damo666]

Kak and Pyxxy are in my PoE so I could see either or both being scum. I don't see bona being scum. I'm reasonably confident in that read and have him as third in my town list.

Ok lets' assume you Bona and I are all town and Kak and Pyxxy are scum who is the third member? Sabi?

If you were town I think I'd need to fundamentally reread a lot of the game. I did think there was the potential for a Kak-Sabi team earlier and I could see pyxxy being on that team if you were town but I just don't see it as likely that you're town given how this game has played out

Suggest you reread then.

##vote Kak

[TheFlyingBoat]

I'd prefer a damo vote to bona/maniac, and a damo scum flip would be really good for us, but I'm not really convinced the VCA points that clearly to damo being scum / the EOD movement off damo being scum-driven.

if there's something I'm missing I'd love to hear it (tfb/jamie probably) but if scum are committed to an early vote of scum!damo I really don't see them jumping off at the last minute to save him - they're more likely to either not vote him in the first place, or bus him and claim towncred for doing so.

tfb, as a VCA connoisseur, would you mind explaining more on why the VCA is so bad for damo? I'm still not really seeing how it makes him look worse

I thought I explained it fairly thoroughly before but sure, when I get back home from the lab and back to my personal laptop I will.

[DeathLlama8]

I guess was there anything specific about how EOD2 played out that strengthened your scumread or is it still about the durga>maniac stuff from day one?

[Bonatogether]

So who is 100% convinced who is scum?

Did I say you were scum? No. I said you were tunneling.

I don't understand. Are you saying that I said I was 100% convinced you are scum? Where did I say that?

You are acting like I'm basically caught scum, especially around the time of those posts I cited.

[Bonatogether]

So now you accept I'm town? Move off me then.

???

You are saying Maniac was right. He correctly moved off me because I am town. You are voting me. You are voting a townsperson.

No, I'm pointing out that you're townreading maniac for reading aaro and whoever else correctly, when that's not a towntell.

[Bonatogether]

@Bona would you be willing to switch to Kak if I do?

no, I think kak is town