Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[LordQuas]

foxc do you want to use this to clear you or no?

[DemonRHK]

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Karma is wifom, but 'noob' ND (With what, 25-ish games on wbedip alone) bussed becuase it's a safe space.

ND in a safe space, I think he'd need to shoot something to feel clean again XD

@Crimson: This isn't even drama yet. I can gladly muck up the rest of D3 with some if you'd like. Best part is even if Quas wants to NK/Lynch me for being annoying, he's shit outta luck for the next 96 to 120 hours.

[LordQuas]

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Karma is wifom, but 'noob' ND (With what, 25-ish games on wbedip alone) bussed becuase it's a safe space.

ND in a safe space, I think he'd need to shoot something to feel clean again XD

@Crimson: This isn't even drama yet. I can gladly muck up the rest of D3 with some if you'd like. Best part is even if Quas wants to NK/Lynch me for being annoying, he's shit outta luck for the next 96 to 120 hours.

whether he's an experienced wolf doesn't necessarily equate to the sheer number of games he's played, and 25 isn't really the most impressive number either

also depends on individual skill, skill of surrounding players, etc etc

[LordQuas]

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

demon read this and come back to me

[LordQuas]

Squigs44
Day-1 00:40
page 34 / orig Ran out of time I'm afraid.

Quick summary of top reads:

Scum: CrimsonFox, damo666, DemonRHK, Foxcastle, Jamiet99uk
Town: Ike, LordQuas, Nephthys, Vecna

Everyone else could go either way.

##Vote DemonRHK
Squigs44
Day-1 00:38
page 34 / orig
↑Vecna: "##vote FoxCastle

Yeah thatll do"
A Foxcastle wagon? Probably more viable than a DemonRHK wagon.

##Vote Foxcastle

probably the two most useful squigs posts for spew, otherwise he's been super hard on jamie early on and strangely friendly towards nepth

he also spewed cfox but cfox is already clear

do you think foxc is towny b/c of this?

[LordQuas]

eh squigs was pretty unimpactful not really much of use from that honestly, aside from jamie and cfox I wouldn't really put too much stock into any of that spew

but like, those didn't matter anyways

[DemonRHK]

I don't need a fucking link for wifom.

wifom is everywhere and everything. The very definition and any attempt to apply or label something as wifom IS wifom. It's a parody of itself.

Squigs upvoted a lot of stuff! Maybe there's scum there.
BUT WAIT! He knows it'd look suspicious, so he's doing to throw us off.
BUT WAIT! He knows we'd know it'd look suspicious so he can hide real power activation there.
BUT WAIT! He knows we'd know it suspicious AND he could hide because of that so he'll use it to red herring.
And so on, for the rest of time.

WIFOM is frankly a shit concept used mostly by mafia to cause Analysis Paralysis and overthinking. It almost never fucking helps to ignore facts based on that.

I'd rather take a chance and be wrong then never take a chance at all.

Occam's Razor. The most likely play is that there was a power that needed activated so squigs started on page one and upvoted every fucking post until he hit the player that needed upvoted.

[LordQuas]

I don't need a fucking link for wifom.

wifom is everywhere and everything. The very definition and any attempt to apply or label something as wifom IS wifom. It's a parody of itself.

Squigs upvoted a lot of stuff! Maybe there's scum there.
BUT WAIT! He knows it'd look suspicious, so he's doing to throw us off.
BUT WAIT! He knows we'd know it'd look suspicious so he can hide real power activation there.
BUT WAIT! He knows we'd know it suspicious AND he could hide because of that so he'll use it to red herring.
And so on, for the rest of time.

WIFOM is frankly a shit concept used mostly by mafia to cause Analysis Paralysis and overthinking. It almost never fucking helps to ignore facts based on that.

I'd rather take a chance and be wrong then never take a chance at all.

Occam's Razor. The most likely play is that there was a power that needed activated so squigs started on page one and upvoted every fucking post until he hit the player that needed upvoted.

no? like what are you talking about labeling something as wifom isn't wifom

EXACTLY

that's what I'VE been saying dude, you can't

when a wolf is going to 100% die, they are OUTED, they enter something called "anti-spew," well not always but very often

they just leave as much fake bullshit as they can to try and confuse people with plays like yours, where you're literally just going "thinking is hard let me just vote and tunnel a random name on the list of people they upvoted"

???? you know if they really were just trying to hide the backup's karma they could just upvote everyone by the exact amount of karma needed to activate that right? You are determining ROLES from the karma info which is even more wifom and dumb

you literally just arbitrarily picked something and now convinced yourself that this is the only line of play, if you are actually trying rn then I dunno what to tell you dude but maybe mafia isn't for you

[LordQuas]

oh shit lol me quoting squigs made me vote onto foxc again

##Vote damo666 this guy's d1 is scummy

[LordQuas]

either way the majority of ppl in this game aren't playing it's literally just me talking to myself abt reads and the occaisonal pop in by some shmuck who then talks nonsense about "mechanics" they have no idea how it works

[DemonRHK]

Well if this elitist bullshit is what passes for honest play where you come from I feel honestly sorry for you.

SO here's some more facts:

You just accused ND of parking on scum squigs. YOU DID THE SAME SHIT BEFORE HE DID. Is that wifom now?

Quotes from Night 1:

I think waiting till EoN to post any reads is anti-town, prolly not wolfy though in the end

Seeing the way others use reads is the basic way of towning, if you're waiting till EoN to actually do anything it just turns the phase into a chance for wolves to post towny and get more cred while town are sitting on their asses

I want to touch on this again: Quas says providing info during a phase that mafia gets to use before town is town play.

*Snipped*

squigs pretty goat btw, not just me pointing this out but he's fairly widely town read for good reasons

That looks real bad in retro.

[damo666]

Jamie just in from pub. Update?

[DemonRHK]

either way the majority of ppl in this game aren't playing it's literally just me talking to myself abt reads and the occaisonal pop in by some shmuck who then talks nonsense about "mechanics" they have no idea how it works

Yep. No character attacks here. No sir.

[LordQuas]

Well if this elitist bullshit is what passes for honest play where you come from I feel honestly sorry for you.

SO here's some more facts:

You just accused ND of parking on scum squigs. YOU DID THE SAME SHIT BEFORE HE DID. Is that wifom now?

Quotes from Night 1:

I think waiting till EoN to post any reads is anti-town, prolly not wolfy though in the end

Seeing the way others use reads is the basic way of towning, if you're waiting till EoN to actually do anything it just turns the phase into a chance for wolves to post towny and get more cred while town are sitting on their asses

I want to touch on this again: Quas says providing info during a phase that mafia gets to use before town is town play.

*Snipped*

squigs pretty goat btw, not just me pointing this out but he's fairly widely town read for good reasons

That looks real bad in retro.

literally what, I did not enter and park my vote on someone then never come back

I will bet you $100 that I didn't

yeah I think having reads during night is probably alright, it's just like extra time to solve if you're just going to do nothing like you and the rest of this game it doesn't really matter tho

either way the majority of ppl in this game aren't playing it's literally just me talking to myself abt reads and the occaisonal pop in by some shmuck who then talks nonsense about "mechanics" they have no idea how it works

Yep. No character attacks here. No sir.

and that's not a character attack, I'm sorry but like, almost this entire game has been super inactive and when they do come in they're posting super NAI nonsolvey stuff

that's like, literally what's happening, you have THIRTY TWO POSTS in THREE DAYS dude, WITH NIGHT POSTING ON

[LordQuas]

we're a good way through day three, with night posting enabled, and 48/24 phases

the MOD is 6th posting right now, and I know he's been relatively active but come ON

he said it himself, there's been more call GMs then there have been votes

[LordQuas]

WIFOM is frankly a shit concept used mostly by mafia to cause Analysis Paralysis and overthinking. It almost never fucking helps to ignore facts based on that.

@Quas: The reason for not posting reads till EoN is you may paint a big target on yourself if you're accurate, or lead town astray with wifom if you're killed and it's garbo. Also being unwilling to catch up on Night chat is odd, night is half as long and always of lower posting (esp. with BB GMing instead of playing). Why even say something like that?

fucking lol

[LordQuas]

First off: Quas and Foxy, you're both idiots. I can't be killed today. (Fun fact, I fould out I was still vuln N2 and fully expected to die last night)

that being said demon, wtf are you reading into the anti spew of an outed scum giving karma to ppl for

stop omgusing and complaining you're getting voted you haven't really contributed much at all the entire game

Character attacks today won't get you anywhere. Who else is it? One or both of flash and Gnome?

these posts were made BACK TO BACK, the irony is killing me

[DemonRHK]

So, Shmuck =/= character attack. K.

Page 4:

Doubtful any newb scum would make the entrance Lord Quas made.

Why are ghug and ND in this game? All ghug ever does is piss on other people and scum read them based on the way it splashes. And all ND ever does is... wait, does ND ever do anything?

Jamiet99uk is being his normal self where he acts all self righteous and then gets offended when someone votes him.

This game is boring. Someone do something exciting please.

##Vote Squigs

blammo toodles 3p

Then the very next vote made in the game on page 6, some 4 hours later:

how do i vote

##Vote [Player name or close enough]

i.e.
##Vote damo666

I've made 32 posts, yet I'm higher in content then half of the game. I don't spam post (normally), but that doesn't mean what I post is uneducated to the game state. How many people didn't know mafia had day chat? Shit, multiple people have tried to vote today for someone that CAN'T DIE.

Quantity does not make up for quality. Crimson has 4 times my post count with less content.

I called you an idiot for voting for a publicly immune player. Not in lieu of a countercase for an accusation.

[LordQuas]

So, Shmuck =/= character attack. K.

Page 4:

Doubtful any newb scum would make the entrance Lord Quas made.

Why are ghug and ND in this game? All ghug ever does is piss on other people and scum read them based on the way it splashes. And all ND ever does is... wait, does ND ever do anything?

Jamiet99uk is being his normal self where he acts all self righteous and then gets offended when someone votes him.

This game is boring. Someone do something exciting please.

##Vote Squigs

blammo toodles 3p

Then the very next vote made in the game on page 6, some 4 hours later:

how do i vote

##Vote [Player name or close enough]

i.e.
##Vote damo666

I've made 32 posts, yet I'm higher in content then half of the game. I don't spam post (normally), but that doesn't mean what I post is uneducated to the game state. How many people didn't know mafia had day chat? Shit, multiple people have tried to vote today for someone that CAN'T DIE.

Quantity does not make up for quality. Crimson has 4 times my post count with less content.

I called you an idiot for voting for a publicly immune player. Not in lieu of a countercase for an accusation.

who tf has ever been offended by being called a shmuck

tbh I really don't care if you call me an idiot or whatever but I also don't turn around and whine about it

and you may be above content then half the game (you're not, like 3 or 4 people at most) but that doesn't excuse you for 32 posting dude

[DemonRHK]

Discounting the GM, 8th on word count. FIRST on words per post. And my cards are already on the table. I have nothing left to hide. I made it to D2, challenged and got scum killed, and can't die today or tonight. Now I'm VT and completely expendable.

I'm not whining. I'm pointing out you haven't done anything to discount the points I'm making. You're attacking my credibility instead of my case, and hand-waving away everything else.