M68: Guns N' Roses GAMETHREAD [hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

@Macca:

You "see the BB case" yet also think that I am definitely scum.

Do you therefore purport that the interactions between Brainbomb and myself are mere scum theatre?

[TheMadMonarch]

@Macca:

You "see the BB case" yet also think that I am definitely scum.

Do you therefore purport that the interactions between Brainbomb and myself are mere scum theatre?

Perhaps, but I think it is also possible you're using him as an easy push.

[rdrivera2005]

optimal town play was to take a rose the only reason anyone wouldve taken a gun as town was to give town a 1 shot vig

were all on the same page on that right?

I mean I think optimal town play was to take a rose if you thought people were going to mostly take guns.

I think now we'd probably prefer a few more town guns, but such is life.

Why you prefer more town guns? Why you want vigs around when you also said Vigs have a bad habit to shoot town?

[damo666]

Could somebody please post the claims.

[Jamiet99uk]

Could somebody please post the claims.

Chaqa claims a gun
PE claims a vest

Brainbomb claimed he would take a gun 100% as either alignment, in the signup thread, but has not confirmed in the game thread whether he did so or not.

Those are the claims I'm aware of.

[foodcoats]

chaqa would take a rose as scum since he dies alot.

It doesn’t protect against D1 DKs though?

[Jamiet99uk]

Could somebody please post the claims.

Ghug claims a gun
Chaqa claims a gun
PE claims a vest

Brainbomb claimed he would take a gun 100% as either alignment, in the signup thread, but has not confirmed in the game thread whether he did so or not.

Those are the claims I'm aware of.

Sorry, Ghug also claimed gun - edited above.

[foodcoats]

Could somebody please post the claims.

Chaqa claims a gun
PE claims a vest

Brainbomb claimed he would take a gun 100% as either alignment, in the signup thread, but has not confirmed in the game thread whether he did so or not.

Those are the claims I'm aware of.

ghug also seemed to have suggested he has a gun by saying something like “a vanilla game where I have a gun is great,” but that may not have been a claim or even intended as one.

[foodcoats]

Anyway ##Vote worcej

I approve of this. Let’s rattle loose some sarcastic one-liners.

##VOTE worcej

[Jamiet99uk]

ghug also seemed to have suggested he has a gun by saying something like “a vanilla game where I have a gun is great,” but that may not have been a claim or even intended as one.

Yes I am taking Ghug's remarks in his opening post as a claim, especially because he has himself drawn attention to them later, in reference to Chaqa's gun claim.

[Jamiet99uk]

Thus it still remains the case that in the pool of:

Brainbomb
Ghug
Chaqa

There must be at least one scum.

Purely on the numbers I can't see a good reason to vote outside that pool today.

[dargorygel]

GM NOTE
Vote Count 1.02
brainbomb: (3) Jamiet99uk, President Eden, damo666
foodcoats: (2) rdrivera2005, Hamilton Brian
Johnny Big Horse: (2) snowy801, ghug
worcej: (2) Chaqa, foodcoats
Jamiet99uk (1) Macca573
e.m.c^42 (1) brainbomb

No Hammer Votes

Not yet voting: emc, Johnny, worcej

Not yet posting: worcej

brainbomb has the most votes.

Around thirty-four and a half hours left in this day.

[rdrivera2005]

If brainbomb actually took a gun and claims to take a gun - and note that neither have been confirmed in the game, although it seems likely he did take one - then it's literally impossible for all of brainbomb, ghug, and Chaqa to be town and truthfully claiming their takes. One must be mafia, and based on our current info (with no way to know how to weight the likelihood of 9, 10, or 11 Town roses), it's more likely than not that 1-2 are.

Rivera, I'm not sure why you dislike my posts to this point when we're substantively on the same page.

If brainbomb actually took a gun and claims to take a gun - and note that neither have been confirmed in the game, although it seems likely he did take one - then it's literally impossible for all of brainbomb, ghug, and Chaqa to be town and truthfully claiming their takes. One must be mafia, and based on our current info (with no way to know how to weight the likelihood of 9, 10, or 11 Town roses), it's more likely than not that 1-2 are.

Rivera, I'm not sure why you dislike my posts to this point when we're substantively on the same page.

I disliked your first post where you called town bitchmade as if it wasn't the right move to choose rose and you jumped on Brain wagon with a bullshit reasoning.

I was considering it a joke but later you double down on voting people that claimed to take a gun in pre-game which is really bad reasoning with two town actually claiming a gun (disclosure, I don't think it's a good reason to vote anyone based on claims now).

And later your post to Brain had a condescending tone that I don't remember on town Eden last game.

[rdrivera2005]

Thus it still remains the case that in the pool of:

Brainbomb
Ghug
Chaqa

There must be at least one scum.

Purely on the numbers I can't see a good reason to vote outside that pool today.

Why you include Brain in this list because of his comment on pre-game thread is beyond my comprehension. You are actively trying to trigger BB or it's just you being obnoxious?

[brainbomb]

Jamie is not factoring scum taking a rose. or multiple scum taking a rose. I would say it isnt highly likely but not impossible

[brainbomb]

OFFICIAL GAME INFORMATION:
Town has picked 9, 10 or 11 roses.

actually scum taking a rose would be devastating. I didnt read that this verified at minimum 9 TOWN took a rose.

[Hamilton Brian]

"• If at any time there are no Town-aligned players who picked a rose left alive, Mafia immediately wins the game, regardless of whether there are any living Mafia members left alive. If no town player picks a rose, the game is lost before it even begins."

The most town thing any town could have done was to have picked a rose. Probably there were some players with a sense of the people also in the game, would have assumed, "I'm good taking a gun." I just don't see grabbing the gun as a huge positive. There are some of those players that got lucky with their vig shots.

[Hamilton Brian]

Hello everyone, it's been a while.

I just want to clarify the position regarding these guns, in that people are assuming optimal play as the mafia would be to take gun, hence people with guns are more likely to be mafia, correct?

I have my own thoughts on the matter but I want to know whether people (in particular President Eden) is echoing these thoughts.

Though the topic is somewhat exhausted, I would like to echo the sentiment that reading your 9th post in a row is rather annoying, brainbomb. If you could consolidate your thoughts into a post, and wait for someone else to respond in turn I think it would do the world a favor.

I'd like to hear elaborations on two opinions in particular:

#83: damo claims brainbomb is "laughably easy" and I would like to hear your elaboration on this opinion

#120: macca - two things:
1) you say you sees the case on brainbomb, please explain what it is you see on this matter
2) On Jamiet: "Man's as scummy as a scummy thing on a scummy day wearing scummy clothes." - what exactly do you find about him scummy?

Snowy, what's your experience playing before? You seem to have come in with a very methodical style, no beating-around-the-bush.

Why is President Eden one whose opinion you'd particularly like to have?

When do you think it would be wise for town to take a gun?

I think getting Macca to open up their thinking is a good idea.

[brainbomb]

I agree that Eden seems more angry about the setup and somewhat desperate. he was far more chill last game.

[Hamilton Brian]

Not sure angry is the word I'd use. Probably laughing at the result?