M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

Look at D1 damo. I expect damo may bus D1 as JOAT. We know xorx and summit were town. He then voted bozo with around 25hrs left, and then Neph with under 4hrs left. The bozo vote would be the more logical bus because it was so early in D1. The Neph vote seems like damo trying to get another town wagon going in case xorx doesn’t take off. Remember that I was strongly defending xorx at the time.

D2, bozo joins the Neph wagon, making it 4 votes for xorx and 3 for Neph halfway through the day. This could potentially be scum trying to create two viable town wagons to protect JOAT. Damo even moves off xorx to Neph with three hours left. Granted it could be bussing to protect the more powerful scum role, but to me the move off town xorx to town Neph seems more likely.

Bozo and damo eventually follow townclear foodcoats back to xorx and he is lynched.

Then bozo starts his questioning of me for pretty dubious reasons imo, before landing on damo.

I had a good reason for questioning you, there were only 6 players for 3 scum spots. I still think it is possible you were bussing damo D1, but overall Chaqa and Nephthys look more suspicious.

[Chaqa]

In looking back, I think Neph/Bunny is more likely to be not scum simply due to day 2 and the counterwagon there. But it's not for sure and could be damo/Bozo bussing their inactive teammate.

[bozotheclown]

Well, rdrivera scumread bozo, so that fits

You were rdrivera's only scum read at EOD:

Reads:
Town: food, kgray

Weak Town: Xorxes, Chaqa,

Null: Bozo, Damo, Worcej, emc, Nepthys, Summit

Scum: Tom

Too many nulls, game was too quiet.

[Chaqa]

There's always the no-lynch option. It's not great, but it would remove one unknown from the equation at least if we aren't 100% sure.

[Tom Bombadil]

I don't understand why you townread Neph? At best, I could understand you thinking his play was lazy and NAI.

Well, yes - his play I consider NAI rather than scummy. Him being a counter wagon to scum leans town. He was damos choice to push D1 in case the xorx wagon didn’t have enough steam to save damo

Okay I mostly follow that, but then didn't you give bozo scum points for damo voting for him D1? Or you think Neph is more likely town because damo moved from bozo to Neph? It didn't seem like a Neph wagon would take off in any case, certainly not enough to become a competitor to xorxes.

Yeah, so it’s the timing of the votes that matter. I do think it is plausible, even likely that damo would bus D1 as he is the most important role. That leaves bozo and Neph and options. The vote of bozo was like 8 pages into the game and for weak reasons (as are all cases that early). It’s a low risk time to bus - plenty of time remaining to move and cases are weak so it’s easy to get off in case you need to.

The Neph vote was with little time remaining and with damo in danger. That seems like trying to get another town wagon going in case the town xorxes wagon stalls. That seems like defensive play to get a mislynch rather than bussing.

[Tom Bombadil]

There's always the no-lynch option. It's not great, but it would remove one unknown from the equation at least if we aren't 100% sure.

It would remove kgray who is obvtown.

[bozotheclown]

who do you townread summit?

Confident townreads are Kgray/Foodcoats/Bozo/Xorxes/worcej (unless a third claim comes).

I'm not townreading Chaqa anymore. I really don't understand the inability to take a joke from xorxes, I think he very well may have slipped day 1 in not seeing that joke.

Chaqa:
So you admit you’re bussing him?

It doesn't seem sincere?

Vecna was apparently shot at as well and I know I'm not strongman. Of course a strongman isn't necessary to having both shots fail and he's looking similar to the Vecna of M55 so I've got a townlean.

Chaqa + two of damo/nephthys/tom is my scumteam.

I am fairly confident this is why summit was NKed.

[Vecna]

In looking back, I think Neph/Bunny is more likely to be not scum simply due to day 2 and the counterwagon there. But it's not for sure and could be damo/Bozo bussing their inactive teammate.

I find this just really difficult, since I cannot really see any scenario where the remaining scum are in <Bozo/Kgray/Tom>

Either my current gut that is trying to fight my ratio on my read on you is wrong, or Bunny has to be scum.

[bozotheclown]

Well, yes - his play I consider NAI rather than scummy. Him being a counter wagon to scum leans town. He was damos choice to push D1 in case the xorx wagon didn’t have enough steam to save damo

Okay I mostly follow that, but then didn't you give bozo scum points for damo voting for him D1? Or you think Neph is more likely town because damo moved from bozo to Neph? It didn't seem like a Neph wagon would take off in any case, certainly not enough to become a competitor to xorxes.

Yeah, so it’s the timing of the votes that matter. I do think it is plausible, even likely that damo would bus D1 as he is the most important role. That leaves bozo and Neph and options. The vote of bozo was like 8 pages into the game and for weak reasons (as are all cases that early). It’s a low risk time to bus - plenty of time remaining to move and cases are weak so it’s easy to get off in case you need to.

The Neph vote was with little time remaining and with damo in danger. That seems like trying to get another town wagon going in case the town xorxes wagon stalls. That seems like defensive play to get a mislynch rather than bussing.

This argue is very questionable, there was no chance damo was going to be able to get a wagon going on Nephthys.

[Tom Bombadil]

Well, rdrivera scumread bozo, so that fits

You were rdrivera's only scum read at EOD:

Reads:
Town: food, kgray

Weak Town: Xorxes, Chaqa,

Null: Bozo, Damo, Worcej, emc, Nepthys, Summit

Scum: Tom

Too many nulls, game was too quiet.

Yes. But I know I’m town. He scumread you all of D1. In fact when he voted me he literally said that I was being EVEN scummier than bozo. Didn’t have a great opinion of tou

[kgray]

In looking back, I think Neph/Bunny is more likely to be not scum simply due to day 2 and the counterwagon there. But it's not for sure and could be damo/Bozo bussing their inactive teammate.

I find this just really difficult, since I cannot really see any scenario where the remaining scum are in <Bozo/Kgray/Tom>

Either my current gut that is trying to fight my ratio on my read on you is wrong, or Bunny has to be scum.

You're voting for Tom...

[Vecna]

Yeah my mind is made up.

The only compromise outside of Chaqa/Bunny that im willing to make is Tom-B.

No way im voting bozo or Kgray here

[Tom Bombadil]

Okay I mostly follow that, but then didn't you give bozo scum points for damo voting for him D1? Or you think Neph is more likely town because damo moved from bozo to Neph? It didn't seem like a Neph wagon would take off in any case, certainly not enough to become a competitor to xorxes.

Yeah, so it’s the timing of the votes that matter. I do think it is plausible, even likely that damo would bus D1 as he is the most important role. That leaves bozo and Neph and options. The vote of bozo was like 8 pages into the game and for weak reasons (as are all cases that early). It’s a low risk time to bus - plenty of time remaining to move and cases are weak so it’s easy to get off in case you need to.

The Neph vote was with little time remaining and with damo in danger. That seems like trying to get another town wagon going in case the town xorxes wagon stalls. That seems like defensive play to get a mislynch rather than bussing.

This argue is very questionable, there was no chance damo was going to be able to get a wagon going on Nephthys.

Wut? With four hours left you don’t think two people could have voted for Neph? That would have tied him with the lead wagon

[Vecna]

In looking back, I think Neph/Bunny is more likely to be not scum simply due to day 2 and the counterwagon there. But it's not for sure and could be damo/Bozo bussing their inactive teammate.

I find this just really difficult, since I cannot really see any scenario where the remaining scum are in <Bozo/Kgray/Tom>

Either my current gut that is trying to fight my ratio on my read on you is wrong, or Bunny has to be scum.

You're voting for Tom...

Yes, how does that contradict my statement? theres 2 scum remaining, and I fail to see how both are in that group of 3? Which is exactly where Chaqa was going (ofcourse if town he doesnt have my alignment information, but he will need my help here to survive if he is town).

[kgray]

I find this just really difficult, since I cannot really see any scenario where the remaining scum are in <Bozo/Kgray/Tom>

Either my current gut that is trying to fight my ratio on my read on you is wrong, or Bunny has to be scum.

You're voting for Tom...

Yes, how does that contradict my statement? theres 2 scum remaining, and I fail to see how both are in that group of 3? Which is exactly where Chaqa was going (ofcourse if town he doesnt have my alignment information, but he will need my help here to survive if he is town).

Never mind, I didn't realize you meant both remaining scum aren't in bozo/kgray/tom.

[Vecna]

Damo actually became scummier while under pressure, but chaqa is actually feeling slightly more towny now than he has been all game.

[Tom Bombadil]

Whatever. Let’s hope Chaqa is scum and then we no lynch and it’s up to the two remaining townies to guess right.

[Vecna]

which is pretty annoying, and he might just be getting inside my head

[Chaqa]

Whatever. Let’s hope Chaqa is scum and then we no lynch and it’s up to the two remaining townies to guess right.

##Vote Tom

Your failure to see reason is difficult. I don't completely think Vecna is town or you're scum, but I know I am and I need to keep us from losing somehow.

[Chaqa]

Whatever. Let’s hope Chaqa is scum and then we no lynch and it’s up to the two remaining townies to guess right.

##Vote Tom

Your failure to see reason is difficult. I don't completely think Vecna is town or you're scum, but I know I am and I need to keep us from losing somehow.

Before anyone says scumslip, I rephrased this to add "or you're scum", so it should read "but I know I am town and I need to keep us from losing somehow"