MAFIA 63: THE SCOURGE [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

This is the bozo we all know and love

Is it? Because he is making a case because ND once floated out and did so again. One time he was scum, so his slot must be it again?

This is lazy case building and trying to connect a line between over 14 games (aka a long time). If he is doing this now, he better do it again when Durga needs a sub (she dropped out my game as scum) and if bo needs a sub (he dropped out last game and was scum).

[worcej]

@ghug I have a summary of PE's post, but I'd suggest just reading it. It felt very good and imo very towny.

Conclusions/TLDR
- Hellenic Riot very likely town
- If ND is also town then the stagnant ND wagon looks like the safe place for mafia to camp while shading the other wagons, which at least had a relatively high investment level. The Maniac wagon was also fine though, and mostly mafia would just pick whatever is safe and consistent.
- If ND is mafia then the Maniac wagon is where they ended up. Bussing is possible, but we can catch out bussers later when they don't start dying like they should. ND voters are probably town here.
- Demon is fine I was wrong earlier
- Chaqa town
- Jamie, Donny Dude, Bonatogether sus

See, this is a much better case for possibly saying my slot is scum and can help actually make people more clear here.

[worcej]

Another interesting thing I noticed about M49 is that D1 came down to me vs. ND
where ND was scum. ND had the lowest D1 post count, was absent at EOD, and never posted again after D1, being replaced N1. Also, his replacement survived until the end of the game.

Is this a low effort attempt to scum read my slot because it happened once before?

Why are you disparaging my post by calling it low effort?

Because it is.

Just because ND once needed to be subbed and was scum does not he is likely to do that again.

Also, you are focusing on facts about ND (someone not in the game anymore) and completely ignoring the other players in the game or how they voted. That is low effort.

[worcej]

Yes, ND had not voted so he knew he was going to get subbed, so getting subbed for not meeting the voting requirement could have been his way of avoiding asking to be subbed D1 as scum have done in the past 2 games.

Looks like I got my question answered.

Is this the best theory you have to push atm bozo?

Yes, I think it might be, between the correlation of scum subbing out D1 and the similarities of ND's D1 to his D1 in M49.

Also, you making a priority of trying to discredit ND voters does not look good:

GM NOTE:

WORCEJ HAS REPLACED ND

Looks like I have small shoes to fill.

Was the wagon on my former self justified in any way?

Just the lurking and the memes

So no...

Never change webDip... never change...

I mean, I guess it can not look good.

But I don’t feel bad saying this: the fact that a guy had 4 posts and no votes and was going to be subbed out was the 2nd highest wagon is pathetic and every town player who pushed for it needs to really reflect on how bad that actually is.

[worcej]

“Why is that pathetic worcej?” you may ask, well it’s simple: you couldn’t find anything else more particularly scummy from anyone other than the dude that was going to be subbed? The slot is about to be subbed out and you’re going to get a contributing player, so why push for that flip on D1?

[worcej]

Strongest townreads: PE HR Chaqa Jamie

Scumreads: none yet

In isolation I don't think we can learn that much from D1 voting. However if we flip Worcej that could be very helpful so in the absence of any major event I will be voting worcej tomorrow assuming I survive the night.

If you are vt Worcej I know you will understand. I am gambling you are not town PR (I'm hoping ND would have made more of an effort).

Why is flipping me helpful? What will you specifically learn by flipping me?

[worcej]

Worcej replacing ND..

Loving the irony.

Explain the irony?

It's lost. Never mind. Not important.

No, it wasn’t lost - I wanted to understand your intended joke because there are several directions it could go.

[worcej]

Looks like I got my question answered.

Is this the best theory you have to push atm bozo?

Yes, I think it might be, between the correlation of scum subbing out D1 and the similarities of ND's D1 to his D1 in M49.

Also, you making a priority of trying to discredit ND voters does not look good:

Looks like I have small shoes to fill.

Was the wagon on my former self justified in any way?

So no...

Never change webDip... never change...

I mean, I guess it can not look good.

But I don’t feel bad saying this: the fact that a guy had 4 posts and no votes and was going to be subbed out was the 2nd highest wagon is pathetic and every town player who pushed for it needs to really reflect on how bad that actually is.

I also want to add, specifically to you bozo, that you are building a case to flip me based on absolutely nothing I can defend or argue against.

What should I do, just roll over and say nothing? I know my alignment and know you’re wrong so I am going to point out how bad of a job you are building this ‘justification’ to vote for me on D2.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ahoy. It appears I have six pages to catch up on so I'll do that in the next hour or two.

Glancing at the Bot it's interesting that BunnyGo was one of the most active posters all day and yet suddenly he disappeared right before EoD and there's been no trace of him since...

[damo666]

Strongest townreads: PE HR Chaqa Jamie

Scumreads: none yet

In isolation I don't think we can learn that much from D1 voting. However if we flip Worcej that could be very helpful so in the absence of any major event I will be voting worcej tomorrow assuming I survive the night.

If you are vt Worcej I know you will understand. I am gambling you are not town PR (I'm hoping ND would have made more of an effort).

Why is flipping me helpful? What will you specifically learn by flipping me?

If you flip town more inferences can be made from the D1 vote and if you flip scum that is clearly helpful (to town).

[damo666]

Explain the irony?

It's lost. Never mind. Not important.

No, it wasn’t lost - I wanted to understand your intended joke because there are several directions it could go.

Ok. Not lost. Best left.

[Jamiet99uk]

Looks like I have small shoes to fill.

Was the wagon on my former self justified in any way?

Just the lurking and the memes

So no...

Never change webDip... never change...

Absence is a valid reason. Look at Yoyo in the last game.

[damo666]

Strongest townreads: PE HR Chaqa Jamie

Scumreads: none yet

In isolation I don't think we can learn that much from D1 voting. However if we flip Worcej that could be very helpful so in the absence of any major event I will be voting worcej tomorrow assuming I survive the night.

If you are vt Worcej I know you will understand. I am gambling you are not town PR (I'm hoping ND would have made more of an effort).

Why is flipping me helpful? What will you specifically learn by flipping me?

If you flip town more inferences can be made from the D1 vote and if you flip scum that is clearly helpful (to town).

I appreciate this is frustrating for you if you are town so if that is the case I think the best way to help yourself and town is to build cases on others (towncases as well as scumcases).

[Jamiet99uk]

Of the 9 voters of Maniac, how many are scum? Probably some passive mafia on the vanity wagons?

The small wagons all actually felt like legitimate attempts to get people killed to me, and the day didn't end that close, so I don't think being off-wagon is really scummy here.

WTF Ghug, EoD wasn't close? It was tied until about 2 minutes from the end.
(The Bot says 3 minutes, but I recall Tom announcing the Bot was slightly out of sync with the clock he was using)

[Jamiet99uk]

The small wagons all actually felt like legitimate attempts to get people killed to me, and the day didn't end that close, so I don't think being off-wagon is really scummy here.

The wagons were tied with like 3 minutes left.

I more mean there wasn't much reason to pile on because he ended up by 3.

Uh, due to people piling on to Maniac at the last second, tho.

Does anyone find it suspicious that ND and Maniac sat there tied for about 10 minutes, but as soon as I moved to ND to ensure there wasn't a tie, Eden, EMC and Celaph all jumped to Maniac? Like the second ND was actually in the lead at EoD, there was a sudden dash onto Maniac instead?

[Jamiet99uk]

GM NOTE:

WORCEJ HAS REPLACED ND

Looks like I have small shoes to fill.

Was the wagon on my former self justified in any way?

Speaking for myself, I had no reason to townread ND and last game didn't give me confidence that town ND is good to have around. Of the wagons, I think he was the best kill.

Uh, and yet you moved your vote at the last moment to ensure that ND was not killed.

Seems legit.

[worcej]

Strongest townreads: PE HR Chaqa Jamie

Scumreads: none yet

In isolation I don't think we can learn that much from D1 voting. However if we flip Worcej that could be very helpful so in the absence of any major event I will be voting worcej tomorrow assuming I survive the night.

If you are vt Worcej I know you will understand. I am gambling you are not town PR (I'm hoping ND would have made more of an effort).

Why is flipping me helpful? What will you specifically learn by flipping me?

If you flip town more inferences can be made from the D1 vote and if you flip scum that is clearly helpful (to town).

What specifically will you be able to inference when I flip town?

[worcej]

Why is flipping me helpful? What will you specifically learn by flipping me?

If you flip town more inferences can be made from the D1 vote and if you flip scum that is clearly helpful (to town).

I appreciate this is frustrating for you if you are town so if that is the case I think the best way to help yourself and town is to build cases on others (towncases as well as scumcases).

It really isn’t frustrating in the slightest, this is actually more fun for me.

I get to sit here and push at people, like yourself, to actually commit to why to flip me.

“We’ll learn things” isn’t good enough - you can learn things from flipping anyone.

[worcej]

Just the lurking and the memes

So no...

Never change webDip... never change...

Absence is a valid reason. Look at Yoyo in the last game.

Choosing one specific example to justify this is poor.

I’ll do the same - Remember SarahK24? She was absent and was town in the 2 games she played.

[damo666]

Why is flipping me helpful? What will you specifically learn by flipping me?

If you flip town more inferences can be made from the D1 vote and if you flip scum that is clearly helpful (to town).

What specifically will you be able to inference when I flip town?

It would give townpoints (or more accurately non-scumpoints) to PE, emc and celaph for a start.