WebMafia Olympics: Bonus Qualification Round

[Kakarroto]

Kakarroto HAS REPLACED JustAGuyNamedWill

heya, just about to read the first post, any information you have for me?

like, what day is it, or night, and how soon are we to phase change?

and who do you all think is mafia?

[sweetandcool]

Kakarroto HAS REPLACED JustAGuyNamedWill

heya, just about to read the first post, any information you have for me?

like, what day is it, or night, and how soon are we to phase change?

and who do you all think is mafia?

Oh yeah, it is D3 and 1 day, 2 hours, and 20 minutes until end of phase.

The players can tell you the rest.

[Kakarroto]

Kakarroto HAS REPLACED JustAGuyNamedWill

heya, just about to read the first post, any information you have for me?

like, what day is it, or night, and how soon are we to phase change?

and who do you all think is mafia?

Oh yeah, it is D3 and 1 day, 2 hours, and 20 minutes until end of phase.

The players can tell you the rest.

oh, I see, a bit of time to cast my vote, not immediate danger of getting modkilled or something like that

and phasechange is straight at midnight for me. Good to know. Thanks a lot!

[Kakarroto]

after page five, I'm somewhat sus of damo, ghug and chaqa, if only so slightly.

Had anyone of these already flipped? If so, which alignment were they?

[Kakarroto]

I don't know what Hamilton Brian finds so "weird and unsettling" about Ghug.

Nothing actually; it was just me throwing caca out on the first day.

don't do that

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

after page five, I'm somewhat sus of damo, ghug and chaqa, if only so slightly.

Had anyone of these already flipped? If so, which alignment were they?

ghug was nightkilled n2.

[Kakarroto]

after page five, I'm somewhat sus of damo, ghug and chaqa, if only so slightly.

Had anyone of these already flipped? If so, which alignment were they?

ghug was nightkilled n2.

ok, that's sad. Both in terms of my gut and he not able to participate more

any special reads he had, or why do you think he was targeted?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Written starting at 10am EST

Apologies in advance for not being in on EON. I don’t see my vote changing or it would have gone to FA. I am sorry Bunny died. It gives us information. Only thing better would have been champion putting on a second vote to tie and deny the kill. Jury is out in the better outcome.

I think a lot of the scum pool is on Bunny, and I’d like to cross reference the haze killers too.

Hard town for me is Dip
Chaqa is town
Ghug is misinformed town
I’m town
Damo is town
King is town

My pool certainly included yoyo, FA, and will

Yoyo might be but the claim is not ccd nor should it be.

Feel is that with such a coalescing on bunny guarantee of EOD target gamble. Meaning no DK of a gambler on D3, so no kill?

Coalesce on one target and END hammer.

Currently walking the aisles of a thrift store with my wife so this is disjointed.

I wish I had more to offer right now.

I’m good with a sole wagon and hammer the shit out of it.

I expect I’ll be alive for D3.

TBH heres a really interesting idea, the Gambler as I said previously almost HAS to bet on the DK as a RESULT, if they get it wrong then NO NK. I thought this would be a game of barely any NKs I am surprised they didnt pick yoyo
NOw I am very suspiciious of Diplomacy because he is the one who said that.

##vote dip

BUT If there's a tie guess what? There will be is 90% chance there is NO NK

Since when am I the one who thought the bet would be on yoyo?
I was repeatedly and flagrantly suggesting the bet was most likely on BUNNYGO.
And you know this.
So that's a ridiculous vote.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

after page five, I'm somewhat sus of damo, ghug and chaqa, if only so slightly.

Had anyone of these already flipped? If so, which alignment were they?

ghug was nightkilled n2.

ok, that's sad. Both in terms of my gut and he not able to participate more

any special reads he had, or why do you think he was targeted?

The successful wagon on BunnyGo yesterday was largely lead by FlaviusAetius, yoyoyozo, and ghug.
Which seems like a strange reason for him to die.
My guess is its a pr stab.

[damo666]

Kakarroto HAS REPLACED JustAGuyNamedWill

##unend I guess

[damo666]

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR
The idea that there was a bet on bunny dying was based on the senseless wagon from yesterday.
Therefore:
(a) if you genuinely believe Bunny was scummy and the wagon on him was justified, you should not be buying into the bet theory
(b) this idea was based ghug, yoyo, and flav being on bunny yesterday, such that at least one of them was maf
(c) note that ghug is dead and yoyo is pr
(d) also note that will was very reluctant to hop on the Bunny wagon and only did so once under pressure of being wagoned himself
(e) therefore a bet on Bunny dying ONLY makes sense if at least one of ghug, yoyo, and flav is maf
(f) therefore if Flavius is town, there was no bet on Bunny flipping yesterday

So why are you guys flagrantly advertising Will=scum, flav=town, and betonbunnyflippingd2?

re (d) Will voted Bunny 4.5 hours from EOD and more than 3 hours after the previous vote so I don't quite see.

Also why does voting Will imply Flav is town? I just don't follow.

I actually think it's Will and Flav.

I could vote for Flav but prefer Will(Kak).

[damo666]

Kakarroto HAS REPLACED JustAGuyNamedWill

heya, just about to read the first post, any information you have for me?

like, what day is it, or night, and how soon are we to phase change?

and who do you all think is mafia?

I think scum are two of {Will(you)/Flav/Chaqa} so if you are town (which I doubt) have a good look at Flav and Chaqa.

[Yoyoyozo]

after page five, I'm somewhat sus of damo, ghug and chaqa, if only so slightly.

Had anyone of these already flipped? If so, which alignment were they?

Ghug was town. I am also suspicious of Chaqa. Let me know your thoughts after you’ve caught up.

[Kakarroto]

Can anyone else validate my thinking here?

Will has outright said that he tried to set a reaction test trap for me, based on knowing that the Gambler's Role PM was different to the Gambler rules described in the Setup Document.

How can anyone know there would be a difference between those two things UNLESS THEY ARE SCUM?

Agreed. My vote stays on Will unless he comes up with an explanation. Makes no sense to me.

I don't have access to will's brain, but I know we are town, and therefore the reaction test was absolutely legit

from my way of thinking, it also looked good, like, jamie's instant reaction for the matter as a sign for town, since mafia wouldn't be sure if they had information from their pm or discord and doubt themselves to maybe slip, while town would be absolutely sure to have the information only from the document

Looks pretty logical to me

[damo666]

Can anyone else validate my thinking here?

Will has outright said that he tried to set a reaction test trap for me, based on knowing that the Gambler's Role PM was different to the Gambler rules described in the Setup Document.

How can anyone know there would be a difference between those two things UNLESS THEY ARE SCUM?

Agreed. My vote stays on Will unless he comes up with an explanation. Makes no sense to me.

I don't have access to will's brain, but I know we are town, and therefore the reaction test was absolutely legit

from my way of thinking, it also looked good, like, jamie's instant reaction for the matter as a sign for town, since mafia wouldn't be sure if they had information from their pm or discord and doubt themselves to maybe slip, while town would be absolutely sure to have the information only from the document

Looks pretty logical to me

Ok look forward to a readlist once you've caught up.

[Yoyoyozo]

Also, welcome Kak! Honestly I was a little disappointed we ended up in different games.

[Kakarroto]

Situation:

The Gambler gets a N0 action and not all players have noticed that this is the case.

This information is contained in (a) the Setup Document, and (b) the Gambler's Role PM.

In both (a) and (b) the information is assumed to be word-for-word identical.


The 'Test':

Will noticed that I was aware of the fact that the Gambler gets a N0 action.

Will claims he set up a reaction test, to try to discover whether I read this information in (a) the Setup Document, or (b) the Gambler's Role PM. (Since if the answer is (b), then I am scum).


The flaw in this 'Test':

If the information is EXACTLY THE SAME in both sources, then why would I respond differently to the test in case (b), compared to case (a)??

Will, please explain why Scum!Jamie, who is in possession of the Gambler Role PM, would react totally differently, in your test, to Town!Jamie who has read the EXACT SAME WORDS in the Setup Document.

What was the scum reaction that you were looking for, in the even that your test would have caught me as scum?

Somebody as scum would probably not read the setup for role details when they have a role pm. So i was trying to see if i could trick scum jamie into thinking the thing we were talking about was not in the setup which would get scum panicked. But you responded quickly and accurately so rip.

oh, I was somewhat close. Well, it helps knowing what role you sub into, I guess

[Hamilton Brian]

So we have to hold Yoyo alive unless there’s a cc, in which case we choose one to kill.

It’s either Flav and Chaqa

Or Will.


Barring the meta of killing a sub, assume good faith that Kak/Will really is town, then Flavius is my choice today.

##Vote Flavius

[Kakarroto]

Quick D1 thoughts:

I don't like the late switch to haze, I don't concur with will's choice of being there. I would've probably voted damo or chaqa there. Maybe sheeped jamie onto yoyo. I've read bunny flipped, but don't know to what, but I probably wouldn't have voted him there. From the phrasing bunny was town? Ah well, will get to that.

I hope yoyo talks more in the later game, would help sort him. Damo needs much scrutiny, he had jamie and will as his early maf team, then went totally away to yoyo and haze? Was the yoyo vote a try to disconnect to him, and both are mafia? Well maybe. Not necessarily.

Chaqa was very hands off there. He did change his sheep vote from abysmal to acceptable, but meh, very unimpressed. I guess a kid does change your priorities, but that isn't chipotle material right there.

My highest townread there is jamie, after that not much. Flav maybe townlean here, and I don't dislike d&w here, but not much.

Our Pirateking and Brian are just waves for me right there. Kotp needs to do more, and from the game before, I've seen Brian do much better. I want that Brian in here too, so I hope to see more, but idk what they are doing right there. I mean Brian voting yoyo looks fine, and kotp voting chaqa too, but they are pretty null in what I see from their behaviour.

[damo666]

Ok ##vote Flav

##End