Mafia 1033 - The Next Generation [Hidden]

[dargorygel]

I saw him presume... I saw him make declarations of illogical statements by others...I saw saw him kill conversations.

What did yiu see vecna

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[ghug]

whenever he is scum, he bases his entire reasons for voting people on hypothetical mafia connections based on buzzwordy reasons that are generally over-explained but just pretty flimsy. Generally before any mafia has actually flipped and such connections can be drawn adequately. Reasons that are also easily explainable by town doing it.

he is talking at the game, and dictating some odd theory as his justification for the votes.

I think x and y might very well be scum because they acted abc towards z which could very well be buddying/bussing/distancing

Thats basically all he has done this game as well. No real townreads. Much less progression, inquisitive questions and overall game commentary etc.

just talking reasons at the game to justify his votes. No reasons why he is disregarding the rest of the playerbase.


After scrolling through 8-10 games to test my hypothesis, i drew the wrong conclusion only in this game: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=1024&user=bozotheclown

There he was also drawing those connections, but it was in a game where scum got utterly rolled and he was drawing conclusions based on factual interpretations that matched actual flips.

He tunneled me incessantly in the last mini for bullshit reasons and refused to explain any townreads, and then somehow turned out to be town.

Can you give some examples of posts that made you conclude he was town in similar circumstances in other games?

[Vecna]

whenever he is only using those sorts of reasons to justify his votes before any mafia flips that actual connections can be made to, and he has no poe of the game or townreads, he is universally scum.

its a specific way of phrasing it too.

[dargorygel]

whenever he is scum, he bases his entire reasons for voting people on hypothetical mafia connections based on buzzwordy reasons that are generally over-explained but just pretty flimsy. Generally before any mafia has actually flipped and such connections can be drawn adequately. Reasons that are also easily explainable by town doing it.

he is talking at the game, and dictating some odd theory as his justification for the votes.

I think x and y might very well be scum because they acted abc towards z which could very well be buddying/bussing/distancing

Thats basically all he has done this game as well. No real townreads. Much less progression, inquisitive questions and overall game commentary etc.

just talking reasons at the game to justify his votes. No reasons why he is disregarding the rest of the playerbase.


After scrolling through 8-10 games to test my hypothesis, i drew the wrong conclusion only in this game: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=1024&user=bozotheclown

There he was also drawing those connections, but it was in a game where scum got utterly rolled and he was drawing conclusions based on factual interpretations that matched actual flips.

That is not opposed to what I saw... the question i suppose is whether he dies it ONLY as scum. You seem to say he does not, in your other correct guesses.

Feel it enough to vote there today?

[Vecna]

whenever he is scum, he bases his entire reasons for voting people on hypothetical mafia connections based on buzzwordy reasons that are generally over-explained but just pretty flimsy. Generally before any mafia has actually flipped and such connections can be drawn adequately. Reasons that are also easily explainable by town doing it.

he is talking at the game, and dictating some odd theory as his justification for the votes.

I think x and y might very well be scum because they acted abc towards z which could very well be buddying/bussing/distancing

Thats basically all he has done this game as well. No real townreads. Much less progression, inquisitive questions and overall game commentary etc.

just talking reasons at the game to justify his votes. No reasons why he is disregarding the rest of the playerbase.


After scrolling through 8-10 games to test my hypothesis, i drew the wrong conclusion only in this game: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=1024&user=bozotheclown

There he was also drawing those connections, but it was in a game where scum got utterly rolled and he was drawing conclusions based on factual interpretations that matched actual flips.

He tunneled me incessantly in the last mini for bullshit reasons and refused to explain any townreads, and then somehow turned out to be town.

Can you give some examples of posts that made you conclude he was town in similar circumstances in other games?

well, did he state a single townread this game?

Can you find a read of his on darg, will, D&W, jamiet or just a generic gamestate view?

When scrolling violently i stopped roughly after seeing games where he made readslists, where he townread a group of people and I generally just scrolled fast to find all posts where he voted for people - to see where he used this same communicative pattern.

He really does not use it as often as you state he does.

[Vecna]

whenever he is scum, he bases his entire reasons for voting people on hypothetical mafia connections based on buzzwordy reasons that are generally over-explained but just pretty flimsy. Generally before any mafia has actually flipped and such connections can be drawn adequately. Reasons that are also easily explainable by town doing it.

he is talking at the game, and dictating some odd theory as his justification for the votes.

I think x and y might very well be scum because they acted abc towards z which could very well be buddying/bussing/distancing

Thats basically all he has done this game as well. No real townreads. Much less progression, inquisitive questions and overall game commentary etc.

just talking reasons at the game to justify his votes. No reasons why he is disregarding the rest of the playerbase.


After scrolling through 8-10 games to test my hypothesis, i drew the wrong conclusion only in this game: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=1024&user=bozotheclown

There he was also drawing those connections, but it was in a game where scum got utterly rolled and he was drawing conclusions based on factual interpretations that matched actual flips.

That is not opposed to what I saw... the question i suppose is whether he dies it ONLY as scum. You seem to say he does not, in your other correct guesses.

Feel it enough to vote there today?

im not saying its a 100% lock.

im like 85% on him being scum here - which is pretty good for this game.

[Vecna]

so you guys are really pressurizing me to feel how much faith I have in that meta-garbage.

But how do you feel? Because im not really getting the vibe that this vote makes you enthousiastic, while I wasnt really under the impression either of you was townreading Bozo.

[dargorygel]

I would have wondered if you had been fake voting bona... and now moving to bozo to "save" him...

[Vecna]

also darg, are you gonna keep your jokevote where its at, or what is up with that?

[dargorygel]

so you guys are really pressurizing me to feel how much faith I have in that meta-garbage.

But how do you feel? Because im not really getting the vibe that this vote makes you enthousiastic, while I wasnt really under the impression either of you was townreading Bozo.

I am liking it... it fits with what I read. I'd say 70 %.

[dargorygel]

also darg, are you gonna keep your jokevote where its at, or what is up with that?

It was not a joke... as I said, I wanted folk to stop waffling. So I took my thoughts at that moment and voted you.

But it didn't work.

So feel freeto give me scum points for changing my vote.

I don't want a NK or tie.

And so I am back to bona.

##vote bona

[ghug]

as an additional note; please take note how the above analysis is different from Bozo.

Looking at whats possible versus what is likely. Draw your own conclusions and tell me what you think.

When I said that you and ghug were good scum candidates based on POE, the implication was that I think Bonatogether, damo, dargorygel, and Just were more likely to be town. I don't know what you think is so different than what you stated before this post.

I went looking for a post I thought I remembered, but this is the closest thing to townreads I could find.

[dargorygel]

I am not sure what phase two is though.

[bozotheclown]

why are you talking at the game bozo? instead of trying to convince us.

you realize that if we (assuming youre town) dont vote as one mafia combines the vote right? and we loose?

I don't have time today to respond to all of the old references you are posting, but I have been trying to convince everyone that Red Neurax is likely mafia for days.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I’m here

[ghug]

so you guys are really pressurizing me to feel how much faith I have in that meta-garbage.

But how do you feel? Because im not really getting the vibe that this vote makes you enthousiastic, while I wasnt really under the impression either of you was townreading Bozo.

I'm unconvinced you've actually identified a tell, but I do think you're being authentic.

I'd still strongly prefer bona or damo but I'd vote bozo over anyone else.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##VOTE BONA

Only good wagon

[ghug]

##VOTE BONA

Only good wagon

Well that's all my townreads except Red, so either we've got a good solve or we're really fucked.

What do you think of Vecna's bozo case?

[bozotheclown]

I feel that Vecna started trying to discredit me as soon as Red Neurax finally became tied for the lead wagon.

[Vecna]

so you guys are really pressurizing me to feel how much faith I have in that meta-garbage.

But how do you feel? Because im not really getting the vibe that this vote makes you enthousiastic, while I wasnt really under the impression either of you was townreading Bozo.

I'm unconvinced you've actually identified a tell, but I do think you're being authentic.

I'd still strongly prefer bona or damo but I'd vote bozo over anyone else.

im certain its there in general, althought ive experienced it stronger when it was fully directed to myself in the past. im not fully convinced myself its on display here, but I think its possible.