M1027: Community - Game Thread

[sweetandcool]

I apologize, I've mistakenly thought that I retracted my statement N1 where I hinted that I had a strong reason for scumreading Heart.

I think I got confused because I did something similar with Bozo and I guess later on I thought that I retracted my Heart comment when I had really retracted my Bozo statement.

Apologies to anyone I scolded for not reading closely enough to notice my retraction statement.

That all being said, I still have a bad feeling about Heart, but I haven't made a case yet and so consequently that opinion could change.

[ghug]

Am I advocating we change systems? I don't think so, (clarity is king), but its something to think about. Maybe we start mostly ignoring the results as they come up? I don't know, that's for y'all to decide, I will be dead.

Lol at you going back to using your time on this.

You failed to consider the fact that learning a single player is town also just means scum kill them immediately (effectively what happened to darg was your plan) and scanning two makes us twice as likely to hit scum (what happened to you). If we get it wrong, we trade a miskill for a scum. If we get it right, we get a free scum kill and the other player is basically in the same position as if they were scanned town with your method.

[ghug]

VT VOTE Ghug

Seems obvious to me:

1. We flip MadMo, therefore also learning Ghug's alignment.
2. The VTs all guess Ghug again tonight, allowing the Cop to get a 100% accurate scan with no ambiguity.

We could have done this at the beginning of the game if we wanted to and we went with the strategy that just caught us scum instead.

[ghug]

That is no different than the plan Monarch suggested D1. A publicly announced cop scan is good, but I think a parity check on 2 more players is better.

I think we need to do the math. We are now 8-3. If we are right about Monarch (seems the DK today), scum kill Ghug and we will be 7-2 D4. Seems fine to use the party cop again to get another 50/50 or two town or two Mafia.

If we are wrong, scum kill another town and we will be 6-3 tomorrow and we will need to kill Ghug tomorrow. If we got another 50/50 or same alignment we can use the Investigator again to decide on who is scum or clear.

So it's seems fine to use the parity cop at least one more time.

I think this is a fair analysis.

Rdr town points going up as well.

Why are you giving people town points for mechanics when you know with certainty that someone actively involved in the D1 mechanical discussion is scum?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Here's the deal. From my perspective.

I know ghug is scum now, y'all dont. Even if you decide to save me over ghug, I will just eat the NK. So this is pointless.

I would like to get sweet.

QED

##VOTE Sweet.

Voting someone you suspect as scum, over someone you're sure is scum.

Uh-huh...

This may be what flips my vote onto Monarch. Monarch, if you truly are town then you know for sure who a mafia is. This is dumb, stupid play.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If the vote is going to be Monarch vs. ghug, we have to decide who the VT selection is going to be N3. I think we should hold a vote.

My vote for VT selection is for heart.

This should probably be conditional on which of me and Monarch ends up being scum.

If Monarch flips town we should vote you again tonight because then we will have a 100% clear scan outcome.

I agree

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Now that I realize it, getting scanned is a death sentence. Both are going to die. If we kill the mafia, the other dies as NK. If we kill innocent, then the mafia dies next round.

rip both of them :/

##VOTE GHUG

Hmm. You're right. We should have guessed Dargorygel again.

VT Vote - whoever survives today between ghug and monarch

VT VOTE whoever survives of ghug and monarch

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

This should probably be conditional on which of me and Monarch ends up being scum.

If Monarch flips town we should vote you again tonight because then we will have a 100% clear scan outcome.

Am I actually the first person to point this out?

I proposed this with darg but it got shot down, and one night investigation vote isn’t enough to change the result.

[BK3K]

I apologize, I've mistakenly thought that I retracted my statement N1 where I hinted that I had a strong reason for scumreading Heart.

I think I got confused because I did something similar with Bozo and I guess later on I thought that I retracted my Heart comment when I had really retracted my Bozo statement.

Apologies to anyone I scolded for not reading closely enough to notice my retraction statement.

That all being said, I still have a bad feeling about Heart, but I haven't made a case yet and so consequently that opinion could change.

This all feels weird

[Chaqa]

I apologize, I've mistakenly thought that I retracted my statement N1 where I hinted that I had a strong reason for scumreading Heart.

I think I got confused because I did something similar with Bozo and I guess later on I thought that I retracted my Heart comment when I had really retracted my Bozo statement.

Apologies to anyone I scolded for not reading closely enough to notice my retraction statement.

That all being said, I still have a bad feeling about Heart, but I haven't made a case yet and so consequently that opinion could change.

This all feels weird

Second

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I apologize, I've mistakenly thought that I retracted my statement N1 where I hinted that I had a strong reason for scumreading Heart.

I think I got confused because I did something similar with Bozo and I guess later on I thought that I retracted my Heart comment when I had really retracted my Bozo statement.

Apologies to anyone I scolded for not reading closely enough to notice my retraction statement.

That all being said, I still have a bad feeling about Heart, but I haven't made a case yet and so consequently that opinion could change.

This all feels weird

Second

Third

[Jamiet99uk]

VT VOTE Ghug

Seems obvious to me:

1. We flip MadMo, therefore also learning Ghug's alignment.
2. The VTs all guess Ghug again tonight, allowing the Cop to get a 100% accurate scan with no ambiguity.

We could have done this at the beginning of the game if we wanted to and we went with the strategy that just caught us scum instead.

We couldn't have done this D1 / N1, as I have explained.

[Jamiet99uk]

I apologize, I've mistakenly thought that I retracted my statement N1 where I hinted that I had a strong reason for scumreading Heart.

Why did you think there was a strong reason for scumreading Heart, and what changed your mind?

Or are you saying the whole thing was just a reaction test to see how Heart responded to you?

[Jamiet99uk]

Should we hammer the day, or is there plenty more to discuss?

[ghug]

VT VOTE Ghug

Seems obvious to me:

1. We flip MadMo, therefore also learning Ghug's alignment.
2. The VTs all guess Ghug again tonight, allowing the Cop to get a 100% accurate scan with no ambiguity.

We could have done this at the beginning of the game if we wanted to and we went with the strategy that just caught us scum instead.

We couldn't have done this D1 / N1, as I have explained.

Monarch proposed a mechanically sound plan to do so, which we discussed at length.

[ghug]

Should we hammer the day, or is there plenty more to discuss?

I think it's probably worth trying to reach a conclusion on the night vote in the next few hours so we can save a day and not totally kill momentum. I may try to do a little more solving if given the time, but realistically my energy wanes when I know I'm about to be killed.

[worcej]

I think we need to do the math. We are now 8-3. If we are right about Monarch (seems the DK today), scum kill Ghug and we will be 7-2 D4. Seems fine to use the party cop again to get another 50/50 or two town or two Mafia.

If we are wrong, scum kill another town and we will be 6-3 tomorrow and we will need to kill Ghug tomorrow. If we got another 50/50 or same alignment we can use the Investigator again to decide on who is scum or clear.

So it's seems fine to use the parity cop at least one more time.

I think this is a fair analysis.

Rdr town points going up as well.

Why are you giving people town points for mechanics when you know with certainty that someone actively involved in the D1 mechanical discussion is scum?

Because it’s adaptive reasoning and willingness to entertain modifications to the rigid approach.

He questions it but is good with staying the course. It comes off as analyzing and reflecting versus pushing.

[worcej]

This all feels weird

Second

Third

Fourth, but I think it comes from being scummed hard earlier

[worcej]

Should we hammer the day, or is there plenty more to discuss?

I think it's probably worth trying to reach a conclusion on the night vote in the next few hours so we can save a day and not totally kill momentum. I may try to do a little more solving if given the time, but realistically my energy wanes when I know I'm about to be killed.

I am almost the opposite. My give a fucks go down when it is down to a coin flip and I would rather move on and begin to process new information.

[Jamiet99uk]

We could have done this at the beginning of the game if we wanted to and we went with the strategy that just caught us scum instead.

We couldn't have done this D1 / N1, as I have explained.

Monarch proposed a mechanically sound plan to do so, which we discussed at length.

Then I think we're talking about two different things.