M61 - The Mastermind's Revenge - Game Thread - HIDDEN

[Hamilton Brian]

Can we presume that mafia would take that role (Double Voter)? It's a hell of an expensive role to grab.

According to the mafiascum wiki: As a general rule, a Town Doublevoter's second vote is wasted if it is not on the same player as the Doublevoter's first vote. The exception is the simultaneous-hammer scenario detailed in "Variations".

For scum, Doublevoter is immensely valuable because...

If mafia are throwing the double vote on Flum, what's the value of keeping the vote on them when they passed the tie mark? Is it possible this was a vote that was placed when the player was going to be absent for a lengthy period of time, and their actual vote is sitting on someone else? Or it was an early voter with the extra vote thrown on for good measure?

Spitballing here and I know I am probably not getting my thoughts out clearly.

[ghug]

Can we presume that mafia would take that role (Double Voter)? It's a hell of an expensive role to grab.

According to the mafiascum wiki: As a general rule, a Town Doublevoter's second vote is wasted if it is not on the same player as the Doublevoter's first vote. The exception is the simultaneous-hammer scenario detailed in "Variations".

For scum, Doublevoter is immensely valuable because...

If mafia are throwing the double vote on Flum, what's the value of keeping the vote on them when they passed the tie mark? Is it possible this was a vote that was placed when the player was going to be absent for a lengthy period of time, and their actual vote is sitting on someone else? Or it was an early voter with the extra vote thrown on for good measure?

Spitballing here and I know I am probably not getting my thoughts out clearly.

This makes me think HB is town.

Bo, what did you get from the last post that made you so sure?

[Maniac]

Mmmm that’s interesting. Dargorygil was making a case against Ghug and Bo. I said I thought he was on to something and flum indicated he was going to sheep dargorygil (if I got that right) and then dargorygil peels off and votes teacon7

IF dargorygil and Ghug/bo we’re scum buddies that’s what he would try and do.

Be interesting to see how dargorygil plays rest of the day

[ghug]

Mmmm that’s interesting. Dargorygil was making a case against Ghug and Bo. I said I thought he was on to something and flum indicated he was going to sheep dargorygil (if I got that right) and then dargorygil peels off and votes teacon7

IF dargorygil and Ghug/bo we’re scum buddies that’s what he would try and do.

Be interesting to see how dargorygil plays rest of the day

Flum is sheeping me

[bo_sox48]

Can we presume that mafia would take that role (Double Voter)? It's a hell of an expensive role to grab.

According to the mafiascum wiki: As a general rule, a Town Doublevoter's second vote is wasted if it is not on the same player as the Doublevoter's first vote. The exception is the simultaneous-hammer scenario detailed in "Variations".

For scum, Doublevoter is immensely valuable because...

If mafia are throwing the double vote on Flum, what's the value of keeping the vote on them when they passed the tie mark? Is it possible this was a vote that was placed when the player was going to be absent for a lengthy period of time, and their actual vote is sitting on someone else? Or it was an early voter with the extra vote thrown on for good measure?

Spitballing here and I know I am probably not getting my thoughts out clearly.

This makes me think HB is town.

Bo, what did you get from the last post that made you so sure?

Unbridled straight-to-the-point honesty, zero resistance to saying what comes to mind, and spontaneous sarcasm in the form of a joke that I don't think anyone is going to make if they had any resistance or second thoughts. If the quip about minimum posting is somehow not a joke, then it's just not something scum would say at all.

[bo_sox48]

Mmmm that’s interesting. Dargorygil was making a case against Ghug and Bo. I said I thought he was on to something and flum indicated he was going to sheep dargorygil (if I got that right) and then dargorygil peels off and votes teacon7

IF dargorygil and Ghug/bo we’re scum buddies that’s what he would try and do.

Be interesting to see how dargorygil plays rest of the day

Your spelling of dargorygel bothers me.

Why do you think darg would be resistant to voting a teammate with 47 hours remaining in the day and no pressure on either?

[dargorygel]

Mmmm that’s interesting. Dargorygil was making a case against Ghug and Bo. I said I thought he was on to something and flum indicated he was going to sheep dargorygil (if I got that right) and then dargorygil peels off and votes teacon7

IF dargorygil and Ghug/bo we’re scum buddies that’s what he would try and do.

Be interesting to see how dargorygil plays rest of the day

Were you able to read why I voted for teacon? Might that have something to do with my vote?

[Jamiet99uk]

It is important
To oft tell ghug that he's great
Lest he tunnel you

Ghug is actually fairly buddying-agnostic.
You're thinking of Vecna there, Ghug.

Damnit, you got me
Oh well, it was worth a try
I crave your love, James

That's exactly the sort of thing an abusive lover would say.

[Hamilton Brian]

This might be a futile exercise but I want to go through the Players dropping an early vote then "disappearing." I am pursuing this because I think the "double" vote on Flum was accidental.

It wouldn't be HR since they didn't cast any vote. That doesn't clear them from being mafia.

[ghug]

This might be a futile exercise but I want to go through the Players dropping an early vote then "disappearing." I am pursuing this because I think the "double" vote on Flum was accidental.

It wouldn't be HR since they didn't cast any vote. That doesn't clear them from being mafia.

Stop looking for the double voter. They're very likely to be town.

[Hamilton Brian]

This might be a futile exercise but I want to go through the Players dropping an early vote then "disappearing." I am pursuing this because I think the "double" vote on Flum was accidental.

It wouldn't be HR since they didn't cast any vote. That doesn't clear them from being mafia.

Stop looking for the double voter. They're very likely to be town.

Why do you think that though? I'll assert that I know jackshit about any of these roles so I have to continue to run and play catchup. But why very likely to be town? It seems like a powerful role; expensive, but powerful.

[Hellenic Riot]

Because why spend the money on a double voter when you can recruit and get an extra vote from that as well as a much higher chance of actually winning

[Hellenic Riot]

##vote kgray

[Hamilton Brian]

Because why spend the money on a double voter when you can recruit and get an extra vote from that as well as a much higher chance of actually winning

Alright; thanks. Makes sense.

[TheMadMonarch]

Well, Bozo's dead, that's sad.

The backup is now the Governor (probably, I don't think Bozo used the charge), so we probably have it still. (I wouldn't think scum would grab this, why not just take the role you want), (unless the recruit has it).

[Hamilton Brian]

##vote kgray

Why? Over D1 and N1, their name never crossed your lips. Why now?

[ghug]

Well, Bozo's dead, that's sad.

The backup is now the Governor (probably, I don't think Bozo used the charge), so we probably have it still. (I wouldn't think scum would grab this, why not just take the role you want), (unless the recruit has it).

The backup is the restless spirit, I believe.

[TheMadMonarch]

Well, Bozo's dead, that's sad.

The backup is now the Governor (probably, I don't think Bozo used the charge), so we probably have it still. (I wouldn't think scum would grab this, why not just take the role you want), (unless the recruit has it).

The backup is the restless spirit, I believe.

I wouldn't think so. The spirit uses it charge on death, and the backup doesn't get roles with no charges left.

[ghug]

##CALLGM

If the restless spirit dies first, does the Universal Backup become a restless spirit?

[kgray]

That's fair context. What about Jamie drew you to him, other than the fact that he was the one dude left you didn't townread?

Do you mean what about Flum drew me to vote for him? Yeah it was more about having stronger feelings that Jamie was town. I didn't like the reasons Jamie was being pushed (including Flum's case) and especially when he returned from EOD I didn't see much that was different from town!Jamie.

Returning from EOD = after the day ended?

When I have seen town!Jamie on the block, he has fought harder to survive and has been much easier to read under pressure. Him disappearing now is really odd.

What were your expectations for Jamie upon his appearance late in the day, and how did he meet them?

No, I meant *for* EOD. He left about an hour before EOD to answer emails(?), and that reminded me of something he said in the mini game I played with him when he was scum, where he seemed to be unnecessarily explaining his absence at EOD by saying he took a call or something. I thought his calmness was odd considering he was a leading wagon and he had been consistently scumreading Flum, but he wasn't really trying to convince people to vote Flum even when it would save himself.

When he was town and on the block D1 in M1015 I remember him actively attacking the people voting for him, pushing cases, and telling people to vote for counterwagons - just fighting harder in general. So when he came back and told people to vote Flum I thought that seemed more in line with what I saw from town!Jamie.

But I don't know anymore. I've just looked back through that D1 EOD from M1015 and he was a lot more antagonistic and aggressive than he was here.