MAFIA XXXVI: ODDJOB'S REVENGE

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote Thamrick

I like the points rdrivera is making here. I need to go back and read Thamrick myself to confirm, but I’m placing this vote here as a show of support.

What do other people think of Thamrick?

[thamrick]

@Thamrick: Teacher2 went from strongly townreading you during D1 and N1 to putting you on the scumteam on N2, shortly before he was killed. What do you think about this?

Did you mean this one or another one?

My interpretation of the change is he was looking at the EoD2 switch as a scum save, with my vote being a critical vote in the Stressed wagon.

I see what he's concluding if you assume snowy is scum.

I disagree with you that it's a basic conclusion. So please, spell it out for me, particularly why you were tying the responsibility of a ghug lynch to Balki and why you so easily joined Balki in the first place. How were you reading Balki before that interaction? After?

[RagingIke297]

Kinda funny that most people don't believe my claim and yet the only 4 people that have more than 1 vote are 1, 2, 3, and 5 for my most recent top 5 picks for scum

[ghug]

Kinda funny that most people don't believe my claim and yet the only 4 people that have more than 1 vote are 1, 2, 3, and 5 for my most recent top 5 picks for scum

Guys stop voting for my scumreads. I'm bussing to avoid connections.

I'm ok with a Tham wagon. Not my top choice but he's a definite prospect.

[RagingIke297]

Kinda funny that most people don't believe my claim and yet the only 4 people that have more than 1 vote are 1, 2, 3, and 5 for my most recent top 5 picks for scum

Guys stop voting for my scumreads. I'm bussing to avoid connections.

I'm ok with a Tham wagon. Not my top choice but he's a definite prospect.

I don't have anyone for me to bus ghug, just 5 scum to catch and lynch.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Thamrick: Teacher2 went from strongly townreading you during D1 and N1 to putting you on the scumteam on N2, shortly before he was killed. What do you think about this?

Did you mean this one or another one?

My interpretation of the change is he was looking at the EoD2 switch as a scum save, with my vote being a critical vote in the Stressed wagon.

I see what he's concluding if you assume snowy is scum.

I disagree with you that it's a basic conclusion. So please, spell it out for me, particularly why you were tying the responsibility of a ghug lynch to Balki and why you so easily joined Balki in the first place. How were you reading Balki before that interaction? After?

Yes that was the question and thanks for answering it.

Okay, so to explain things to you, I was under the impression that Balki had announced a guilty scan on Ghug. Under those circumstances, if Ghug had been lynched and flipped Town, Balki would clearly have lied to get Ghug killed. That in turn would have been grounds to chop Balki up into tiny little bloody pieces. Okay?

Note that all of this is in the past tense, because Balki subsequently declared he was not claiming a guilty scan on Ghug. What the fuck Balki IS fucking playing at is therefore anyone's guess. I think it's enormously distracting to town, and Balki's continued shenanigans appear scum-motivated.

[Foxcastle]

##VOTE THAMRICK

[ghug]

Note that all of this is in the past tense, because Balki subsequently declared he was not claiming a guilty scan on Ghug. What the fuck Balki IS fucking playing at is therefore anyone's guess. I think it's enormously distracting to town, and Balki's continued shenanigans appear scum-motivated.

Do you not see the huge informational benefit of reactions to things like that?

[thamrick]

@Thamrick: Teacher2 went from strongly townreading you during D1 and N1 to putting you on the scumteam on N2, shortly before he was killed. What do you think about this?

Did you mean this one or another one?

My interpretation of the change is he was looking at the EoD2 switch as a scum save, with my vote being a critical vote in the Stressed wagon.

I see what he's concluding if you assume snowy is scum.

I disagree with you that it's a basic conclusion. So please, spell it out for me, particularly why you were tying the responsibility of a ghug lynch to Balki and why you so easily joined Balki in the first place. How were you reading Balki before that interaction? After?

Yes that was the question and thanks for answering it.

Okay, so to explain things to you, I was under the impression that Balki had announced a guilty scan on Ghug. Under those circumstances, if Ghug had been lynched and flipped Town, Balki would clearly have lied to get Ghug killed. That in turn would have been grounds to chop Balki up into tiny little bloody pieces. Okay?

Note that all of this is in the past tense, because Balki subsequently declared he was not claiming a guilty scan on Ghug. What the fuck Balki IS fucking playing at is therefore anyone's guess. I think it's enormously distracting to town, and Balki's continued shenanigans appear scum-motivated.

I guess I'm just confused what you even thought was a cop claim in the first place. I didn't interpret Balki's messages that way on first read, and on reread I feel like it's pretty clear that Balki wasn't claiming cop. I don't think Balki, even if he was cop and had a guilty scan, would openly reveal it. He'd do what he should do as cop and build a case against his guilty scan, pushing for their lynch and trying to remain hidden.

[Jamiet99uk]

Note that all of this is in the past tense, because Balki subsequently declared he was not claiming a guilty scan on Ghug. What the fuck Balki IS fucking playing at is therefore anyone's guess. I think it's enormously distracting to town, and Balki's continued shenanigans appear scum-motivated.

Do you not see the huge informational benefit of reactions to things like that?

I'm not sure. I don't like reaction tests all that much and I certainly don't like how people like Vecna, ND, and perhaps Balki, do shit like this to bait townies and then pass their manipulative shit off as "rxn test lololol".

In this case we did see that it caused TrPrado and a couple of others to want to lynch me. What does this tell you about TrPrado?

[snowy801]

honestly have no clue. Turns out it's hard to parse a mafia game when you barely read it

I'm bot quite sold on telamor being scum though. He seems genuine in his approach so far as I could tell, despite his defensive posturing

I would like to ##vote Foxcastle for now and see where that leads me. Probably nowhere, since I'll have very little time to read between now and eod but he and Jamiet are the best leads I've got

though one does wonder where bo_sox went off to

[Balki Bartokomous]

Note that all of this is in the past tense, because Balki subsequently declared he was not claiming a guilty scan on Ghug. What the fuck Balki IS fucking playing at is therefore anyone's guess. I think it's enormously distracting to town, and Balki's continued shenanigans appear scum-motivated.

@Jamiet, your criticisms of my play wound me deeply. Truly, I feel terrible. In the future, whenever I vote for a scum read, I will clarify that my vote is NOT based on a guilty cop scan, so that my actions are not misinterpreted. And for the record, my current vote on Thamrick is also NOT the product of a guilty Cop scan.

[Jamiet99uk]

Thamrick, Balki softed Cop three separate times, and I'm not the only one who noticed. At EoN he demanded a Doc save and said if he was NK'ed that would implicate Ghug. When asked about his Ghug vote at the start of this phase, he literally posted a link to the post where he fingered Ghug and demanded a Docsave.

Please tell me what ELSE you would immediately conclude from that? That Balki isna VT who thinks his intellect is so vital to Town that he must be saved at all costs? Even then how does that implicate Ghug? Please, explain your thoughts to me, do.

[Jamiet99uk]

Note that all of this is in the past tense, because Balki subsequently declared he was not claiming a guilty scan on Ghug. What the fuck Balki IS fucking playing at is therefore anyone's guess. I think it's enormously distracting to town, and Balki's continued shenanigans appear scum-motivated.

@Jamiet, your criticisms of my play wound me deeply. Truly, I feel terrible. In the future, whenever I vote for a scum read, I will clarify that my vote is NOT based on a guilty cop scan, so that my actions are not misinterpreted. And for the record, my current vote on Thamrick is also NOT the product of a guilty Cop scan.

Please explain what you *were* doing then, or fuck off. I'm sick of your shit.

[Jamiet99uk]

Yes actually there's a point.... where *is* Bo?

[yavuzovic]

I'm so sorry for dividing messages.

Balki - this is very risky but I trust him and I suggest Doctor to protect him from being NKed.

TrPrado - He is really working hard. And his Jamiet case is very convincing.

Dargorygel - I don't have a reason but his messages feel town. Also nobody is scumreading him so there's no need to reconsider about townreading him. This is also suspicious but these posts:

Once again... no night death for Ike. And no counter claim(s.)
I think the mafia doesn't believe him. Which makes me not believe him. I am thinking he is VT who was scrambling for his life when he claimed.

feel really town to me.

[Jamiet99uk]

If TrPrado turns out to be scum Yavuzovic is almost certainly scum with him.

[yavuzovic]

Note that all of this is in the past tense, because Balki subsequently declared he was not claiming a guilty scan on Ghug. What the fuck Balki IS fucking playing at is therefore anyone's guess. I think it's enormously distracting to town, and Balki's continued shenanigans appear scum-motivated.

@Jamiet, your criticisms of my play wound me deeply. Truly, I feel terrible. In the future, whenever I vote for a scum read, I will clarify that my vote is NOT based on a guilty cop scan, so that my actions are not misinterpreted. And for the record, my current vote on Thamrick is also NOT the product of a guilty Cop scan.

BUT

##vote ghug

I'm pretty sure about this one. ghug knows why.

I wonder if that was a mistake I read Balki as town.

[snowy801]

the connection here is absolutely horrid
I've been trying to post messages for the past 10 minutes and failing miserably
it was something about Jamiet then thamrick and I suppose I'll expand on it later because I've gotta go now

have fun

[yavuzovic]

If TrPrado turns out to be scum Yavuzovic is almost certainly scum with him.

Yes, I would doubt my VT role if that happened. But TrP should be lynched after a ton of player. Queue is long and lynching Prado doesn't sound like a good idea.