M1010 Mini-Mafia

[e.m.c^42]

I also note that Foxcastle is apparently a time traveller from the 1960's since I haven't met anyone born in my lifetime who calls a dick a "wang".

Penis is too clinical, cock is too crude, todger is too dialectal, wiener is too juvenile, etc. But reusing dick would have been dissonant, whereas wang heightens the comedic effect. You see, Jamiet, I am a professional writer and published satirist, and I understand how to construct a funny. 🧐

There's always "quaggy mushroom rod covered in silk"

[SarahK24]

I also note that Foxcastle is apparently a time traveller from the 1960's since I haven't met anyone born in my lifetime who calls a dick a "wang".

Penis is too clinical, cock is too crude, todger is too dialectal, wiener is too juvenile, etc. But reusing dick would have been dissonant, whereas wang heightens the comedic effect. You see, Jamiet, I am a professional writer and published satirist, and I understand how to construct a funny. 🧐

There's always "quaggy mushroom rod covered in silk"

Omg

[SarahK24]

@Sarah :D

fwiw even if you are lost and confused, just ramble out what you think. It doesn't matter if it's stupid or incoherent or whatever, but having something other than "idk lol" would help all of us lmao

You'll learn on the fly, all of us did

Okay

[kgray]

I have 10 pages to read. Why do you choose to lynch Bunny over Bo?

Bo is great at dodging the kill on D1. Last game I was vig I had the order to shoot him wrote and didn't send (and he was scum and I shoot a townie).

Jamiet and Xorxes look pretty bad only based on the bot. Will read now.

So what do you think after reading EOD?

[bo_sox48]

Damo lurked through this entire EOD without doing anything.

This. Despite the fact that damo had previously said bo was probably town, he didn't seem at all interested in doing anything to prevent bo's lynch. He made no effort to make his vote count in any meaningful way whatsoever.

Bo was always gonna move his vote to save himself. I didn't particularly strongly townread or scumread any of the top wagons. I was happy with my vote on brain and I hope to be proved right.

You spent a significant amount of time trying to justify to me that you had a null read on brainbomb instead of a townread as I interpreted you saying. Now you are happy with your vote and hope to be proved right. You do see the contradiction here, don't you?

[bo_sox48]

So reading from page 25:

I'm feeling a ##VOTE Foxcastle right now

##Vote foxcastle

to page 33:

I'm going to walk away from this game because there's no way I'm going to enjoy myself when the "aRe YoU aNd sArAh tEaMmAtEs" crowd is going to harass me into oblivion. I don't blame yall for doing it at all because it's obviously suspect as hell, but since I have been robbed of the credibility necessary to hunt scum and persuade anyone to give a fuck about what I think and am probably not going to take a NK (at least before Sarah is dead, and only then in the event that she flips town), I have no purpose here given my role, so I'm not going to spend any of my time spinning my wheels over it.

Chaqa, if you want to replace me, go for it, but if you don't then I'll keep the seat warm for ya.

The "aRe YoU aNd sArAh tEaMmAtEs" crowd consisted of bozo and bozo alone. I found nobody else espouse bozo's theory in that interval. It seems that either bozo made an ultra-persuasive case that convinced town!bo_sox that his game was ruined, or scum!bo_sox freaked out because he thought Sarah's vote looked far worse than it actually did.

I don't think town!bo_sox would have been that bothered about it.

town!bo_sox (I have no idea how ! got started) already told you that he wants control of the narrative. Waiting on a crowd to get on the "Sarah is noob scum that blindly followed her teammate and outed both of them" is stupid. I'm not sure why it's so unbelievable that bo_sox of all people would do something typically considered categorically stupid for smart reasons knowing that there's a 50/50 shot it backfires. That's what bo_sox is known for round these here parts.

[bo_sox48]

Also because despite the length of your posts about two thirds aren't really related to this game in particular, kind of like how Bungo was asking a bunch of questions at start of game - pretty much "meta game" filler that appears useful.

To reword this for bo. Putting asides your joke posts, one sentence posts, etc... if you go through all your longer posts, they are actually not really related to this game in particular.

If anyone would like, I can pull them up and point them out, but for the sake of avoiding giant quote copypaste they are not included right here.

A lot of them are talking about points that could be applied in any game - copy/paste, rather generic or general statements about gameplay itself. It is similar to how Bungo acted at the start of the game, which, in his own words

I'm talking about the theory of the game. Nothing at all to do with this one.

Is a statement that could be applied to you as well. The reason that this made it to "wifom point" rather than "scum point" is because in your short posts, you've made several observations that I did not think were scum-motivated ones.

So to narrow down this post into a one liner, there are posts of mine that may be considered jokes or otherwise generalities, but I'm playing a town-motivated game.

Help me understand why making several observations that you do not think are scum-motivated is somehow NAI.

[bo_sox48]

I have no idea what's happening with deadlines in this game and I'm not gonna be up at 4 in the morning or whenever the fuck the deadline is to figure it out so I'll just leave you all alone with these two points:

• just because he has conveniently disappeared this evening, do not forget about brainbomb.

• if Sarah magically gets dramatically better, lynch. If Sarah gets worse or quieter, lynch. If Sarah seems like she hatched a plan overnight and does nothing but try to achieve that plan in a confused, newbie way, lynch. If Sarah sort of flounders but kind of picks up on some things over time in a more naturally progressive way, newbie town - don't lynch.

I'm not going to die so I'm not going to bother with more.

[bozotheclown]

Sorry for missing EOD, thanks for not lynching me.

First, I will say that I did not like bo_sox's progression when he was the lead wagon. He went from trying to convince me he was town, to trying to get me lynched, to trying to get anyone else lynched. He insisted he was not trying to deflect suspicion, but it appeared he was trying to deflect suspicion onto me by asking pointless questions and assigning scum motivations to the answers. Here are some examples, trimmed from longer exchanges:

Okay, cool. Then I ask you what I just told xorxes I would ask you. Why were you bandwagoning on Fox instead of counterwagoning on me, since your read on them relies on your bad read on me?

Additionally, who's next when I flip town?

Can you please point to where I have deflected suspicion? I have gone out of my way to shift the conversation toward myself.

I can't control what other people do, so Sarah's vote is out of my hands. I already told you that I'm town and I'm asking you to answer my questions carrying that assumption because you are not currently accounting for that possibility in anything you're doing. Stop beating around the bush.

And I don't buy it. If you think I'm scum but wouldn't vote for Fox if I weren't scum, why wouldn't you be pushing my lynch?

How is this deflecting suspicion? I would call that pointing out a flaw in your reasoning, because your reasoning is flawed. I'm not trying to push you toward someone else or frame the conversation as if I'm not here. I am being open, transparent, and available to you. You are trying to evade me.

If you are not willing to admit that I have opened room for conversation today about me, you are wearing blinders, and I don't understand that move regardless of your role.

If I do not have to push suspicion elsewhere in order to deflect suspicion, what the hell is deflecting suspicion?

You're very clearly full of shit.

Oh, ##VOTE bozo lol

[bozotheclown]

The second thing I want to say is that if town loses without ever lynching bo_sox and/or Foxcastle for their "I quit"/"I am scum" reactions, town is going to look very foolish if either one is scum.

[bozotheclown]

I have been asked a number of times why I voted for Foxcastle instead of bo_sox when I said that I thought bo_sox could be bussing Foxcastle. My answer was because I wanted to make Foxcastle a 3 vote wagon instead of making bo_sox a 1 vote wagon, which was true. Specifically I wanted to see if bo_sox would move his vote off of Foxcastle at some point. With bo_sox and Foxcastle tied together by SK24's vote, if bo_sox and Foxcastle really are scum partners, bo_sox would know Foxcastle getting lynched would lead to him getting lynched next. Eventually bo_sox did move his vote off of Foxcastle, with the following explanation:

It's a bit weird that multiple people have followed me onto Foxcastle, especially those who have done so under the assumption that I'm bussing. I didn't even have a reason for voting Foxcastle beyond a gut feeling that he might be playing with something up his sleeve. I wouldn't be shocked if he got piled on by his teammates, but unless Sarah is the greatest noob who has ever played, I don't think she piled onto her scum mate (or think that she's scum at all, for that matter). To that end, I think it's possible that any of bozo, Jamie, or brainbomb are piling on him, and it would make a strange bit of sense for someone to endhammer on their teammate if they think he's up for a lynch. I'm curious to see which of Jamie and brainbomb change their vote later, why, and whether or not they stick to their guns and nonchalantly try and hammer day 1.

bo_sox indicates that multiple players have voted for Foxcastle thinking bo_sox was bussing ("especially those who have done so under the assumption that I'm bussing"), but I am the only one who gave that reason. bo_sox then says he thinks Foxcastle is being bussed by someone besides himself, which would imply that he suspects Foxcastle is scum, but bo_sox uses this as a reason not to vote for Foxcastle.

This, in my opinion, supports the possibility of a bo_sox/Foxcastle scum team.

There is also this:

Oh. Oh. Sorry, we need to actually lynch Bo first, since he's JOAT. Kgray and I are just goons.

[bozotheclown]

In summary, I think bo_sox is scum. If I am correct, and Foxcastle is town, I would expect bo_sox to be happy to see Foxcastle get lynched, since it would disprove one of the arguments against bo_sox, so if bo_sox is scum, I think Foxcastle is scum also. If I am wrong about bo_sox, Foxcastle could still be scum.

If bo_sox and Foxcastle are scum, possibilities for the third scum are:

SK24: for obvious reasons

kgray: because Foxcastle says so

Jamie: he helped save bo_sox D1

xorxes: he assisted saving bo_sox D1 by suggesting the BunnyGo wagon and breaking the tie

damo: Foxcastle voted for him, and Foxcastle likes to bus also

[bozotheclown]

Okay, you think bozo's questioning of Sarah is forced. I could see that, but she also wasn't being very forthcoming with her answers. Do you not think it's possible that bozo was excited to have found something scummy, and was trying to figure out if it is actually indicative of Sarah being scum? I also did not find where bozo said bo needs to be flipped to confirm Sarah's alignment. Will you please point that post out for me?

I guess my question about bozo voting Fox was more along the lines of: why would scum-bozo build up a case against bo but then vote for Fox? If scum-bozo is trying to be cautious and not stick his neck out, wouldn't it make more sense for him to vote the person who he claims he more strongly scumreads? It was still very early in the day for him to vote for Fox assuming it would remain the largest wagon and he could hide there.

Thanks, you covered the 2 things I was going to say about this post. One, that I never said bo_sox needs to be flipped to resolve SK24's alignment. Two, that I think characterizing my vote for Foxcastle to make him the lead wagon as cautious is inaccurate.

Of course you don't like me thinking you're scum. That's a given.

There were 2 things in your post that I think are simply not true (although the second could be a difference of opinion), and kgray pointed out both things before I did it myself.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Bunny

bo_sox, why are you not voting Bunny?

I'm more invested in brainbomb, but I'll take what I can get. I don't particularly scumread Bunny and I hate sealing his fate over mine when he could be a more important role than mine, but I know I'm town, so I'll do it within 2 minutes if that's the way we go.

brain has claimed PR and will be dead tonight if he is telling the truth

Why would you say that, since the mafia would have no way of knowing if it is true (they obviously know now)?

[bozotheclown]

Ok listen. Reading Bo_Sox's iso from the second half of the day, his defences of himself strike me as very earnest and I'm not sure scum Bo would defend himself in this way.

I still think his tempter tantrum earlier was distasteful as was bringing the GM into it but I often get caught into thinking shitty play = scum play, and that's gotten me involved in too many mislynches over time.

##UNVOTE

I think you have seen bo_sox play as scum enough to know he would defend himself in this way. If nothing else, you should remember M47, when bo_sox defended himself and convinced you to vote with the entire scum team to mislynch me at lylo.

[bozotheclown]

Here is my list from top scum read to top town read:

bo_sox: fake quitting is enough to be my top scum read, regardless of the other things I have pointed out

Foxcastle: scum claim is enough to be my second scum read, regardless of his connection to bo_sox

Jamie: questionable D1 EOD, but read tied to bo_sox

worcej: questionable reasons for scum reading me, questionable scum reads of others

SK24: seems overly cautious, may be scum, may be town MVP

damo: nothing too suspicious, but did not get involved at EOD

xorxes: seems to agree with me about a number of things, could be pocketing me, but not too worried yet

rdrivera: not a lot of participation, but I generally agree with what he has said

brainbomb: fake claim seems more likely to be town motivated, but you never know

emc: I like his analysis so far

kgray: if she is pocketing me, she is doing a good job

[bozotheclown]

If BunnyGo does not fire, it will be 8-3 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynches, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits town, it will be 7-3 tomorrow, and we will have 1 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. If BunnyGo fires and hits scum, it will be 8-2 tomorrow, and we will have 2 mislynch, assuming no doc saves. So, the correct play is for BunnyGo not to shoot, because it could cost us a mislynch, with a low chance of gaining us a mislynch. The only way it would gain us a mislynch is if he hits scum and we get a doc save.

Since BunnyGo ended the day voting for me, I am concerned he could shoot me, which would likely result in town only having 1 mislynch available.

[Jamiet99uk]

I also note that Foxcastle is apparently a time traveller from the 1960's since I haven't met anyone born in my lifetime who calls a dick a "wang".

Penis is too clinical, cock is too crude, todger is too dialectal, wiener is too juvenile, etc. But reusing dick would have been dissonant, whereas wang heightens the comedic effect. You see, Jamiet, I am a professional writer and published satirist, and I understand how to construct a funny. 🧐

There's always "quaggy mushroom rod covered in silk"

Are you a professional writer of erotic fiction.... or is it just a hobby?

[Jamiet99uk]

• just because he has conveniently disappeared this evening, do not forget about brainbomb.

Yep.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm more invested in brainbomb, but I'll take what I can get. I don't particularly scumread Bunny and I hate sealing his fate over mine when he could be a more important role than mine, but I know I'm town, so I'll do it within 2 minutes if that's the way we go.

brain has claimed PR and will be dead tonight if he is telling the truth

Why would you say that, since the mafia would have no way of knowing if it is true (they obviously know now)?

I don't want to answer on behalf of Xorxes, but if you were following the discussion at the time, you would know the answer to this question. It does not necessarily involve the Mafia (other than the implication that Brain is scum).