MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[Percy Williams]

I also find percy's response to me like, pretty bad but in a good way? I honestly was super null on the dude he's just been lurking, but his weird self awareness about being alien (but not scummy) as well as him talking about he's trying to lurk and not post content that risks him being exposed as not following the thread (at least I think that's what he's saying) is like he's defining what a lurking scum should be doing lol

Town points for being that honest though, if he's openwolfing to hell about how he's scummy props to him but he feels like a potatown

I think I only seem alien by my quiet actions. A good alien this game can play it quiet, saying just enough to ease fears, but not enough to think about them. A scum this game focuses the world on catching alien, and doesn't play the quiet game. (In my opinion) It's not that I'm afraid of being exposed for not being caught up, I'll admit that. I'm just insecure/ worried about posting something irrelevant/ accidentally post post mortum.

[Percy Williams]

Yes, I want to leave the alien claimant alive. Quote me later, preferably out of context for maximum impact.

I'm good at following directions, and I never forget bo, I never forget.
(Things are a wee bit boring suddenly, so I hope this will stir things.

[Vecna]

if Ezio is town he punked the moofia twice: by claiming and retracting 30 minutes before EOD thus creating chaos and fooling them during night thinking he has the gun

Man, Tom Bombadil has competition

Yep, thats the logical alternative to the scum motivation.

Tom bombadil turned many a person into an aspiring hero

To be fair I've been trying to be a hero many times before, but my type of hero is usually more of the "martyr" type.

I absolutely had the gun bois. I shot darg because I thought he was scummy and I figured the wifom with the item thief/driver could only last so long.

I suspect that I was driven last night as otherwise mafia would have simply stolen it, but MAYYBBEEE mafia assumed I would never claim the gun in a game with the item thief. I'm assuming not, so premptive WP driver!

You would know if you were driven

[Vecna]

FWIW I love feeling like brainbomb. These lies have been so invigorating! It feels like conversation is being created even though all of it entirely focuses on a bunch of bullshit. I feel like people are getting good reads, but it's all likely absolutely worthless.

##vote Ezio

[Vecna]

Xorxes do you really think holding onto the gun was a good idea beyond this first night? You think giving scum a free shot with potential to kill a PR without us knowing, particularly with this:
1x Intelligence Box: When used the player will receive whatever PM or Night Action the targeted player took for that night phase unless it is the Alien or a 3rd day infected player who was redirected by the Alien.
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Item in the game?

If mafia have that item and they find a PR they have close to an autowin if they steal the gun. I think it's absolutely correct to minimize the chances of that happening.

How would that allow them to find out you have a gun if you werent shooting it?

[rdrivera2005]

You know what, after some sleep thinks are more clear.

No town would shoot someone this way, without warning, without letting him claim a role or an item, this isn't a towny way to play.

##vote Ezio

And Bo is probably scum too.

[bozotheclown]

You know what, after some sleep thinks are more clear.

No town would shoot someone this way, without warning, without letting him claim a role or an item, this isn't a towny way to play.

##vote Ezio

And Bo is probably scum too.

That is a good point, Ezio, bo_sox, and xorxes may all be scum.

[xorxes]

I got behind around page 20, and still haven't fully caught up. I get really uncomfortable posting before I catch up in case I have died ( from a day gun or something) and I just don't know if yet.

If you die you get a private message from the GM, so you don't need to worry about that.

I agree with $$ NO SHOOT we really need to know the alignment of whoever dies. As far as staying on Ezio, that means nothing, I wasn't here for the finale of Day one. My answer to what bozo meant was also me being a little mad when people scumread for low-posting, because I am one due to deal life busy stuff. I also hoped to discredit that list since it
A had me on it
B didn't have any evidence
C was positive activity that I felt safe in doing.

I do realize I look alien, but I think the day 3 plan for catching alien is great, and I will comply.

The alien has the same information as town, so it's easy for them to blend in as another townie. What do you think makes you look alien?

[xorxes]

xorxes was 100% wrong on that math, but I think him getting angry at Ezio there is legit very towny. It's such a minor issue there that I doubt a wolf decides to pursue that as far as he did, felt legit annoyed that ezio risked getting the gun messed with

Are you trying to pocket me? And I wasn't wrong about the math, of course I didn't mean the 50-50 to be an exact thing since it's purely a psychological decision. The point was that by claiming the gun he made the mafia have to consider whether he was telling the truth or not, and the decision could have gone either way no matter how confident he was that they wouldn't believe him. And several people obviously did believe him. I myself was not completely sure he was lying.

I also find percy's response to me like, pretty bad but in a good way? I honestly was super null on the dude he's just been lurking, but his weird self awareness about being alien (but not scummy) as well as him talking about he's trying to lurk and not post content that risks him being exposed as not following the thread (at least I think that's what he's saying) is like he's defining what a lurking scum should be doing lol

Yeah, the too scummy to be scum thing again.

Town points for being that honest though, if he's openwolfing to hell about how he's scummy props to him but he feels like a potatown

Also how did people not instantly realize darg was gooped when the mod said "darg hasn't subbed out and I can't announce why but they're co-modding"

I think we all realized it but were confused by the way it was informed. It kind of defeats the purpose of keeping the identity hidden if they are immediately taken out of the game without replacement.

[xorxes]

50/50 Either I win the lottery or I don't.

My 50-50 estimation seems much more reasonable than your 100-0.

Anyways, that's water under the bridge. I think you would have shot someone else if you were mafia, and in any case you probably wouldn't have claimed the gun, so I think you're likely town (and a very marginal chance you're alien).

RagingIke claimed a gun D1 as scum in M41 for the purpose of getting town read, and it worked well. It might have won the game for the mafia if his replacement had not been killed by the serial killer. Also, if dargorygel was town, he was a good choice for the shot because he could be justified as a top scum read.

##VOTE Ezio

Just because something is possible it doesn't make it likely. Of course we can't clear Ezio for claimimg the gun and shooting dargo, but I don't think he is the best lynch today.

[xorxes]

Hey bo, care to give me your current reads? Also, was darg your initial scumread that you mentioned you had a case on mid D1? If not, who?

Generally speaking, my current reads can be found in my post regarding the EOD that I posted during the night. You can add a townread of Squigs, a general vibe scumread of worcej (though I literally always general vibe scumread worcej), and a sneaking suspicion on xorxes. I don't know why. My main intention today given that darg is no longer an option is to go after Moscow a bit and see if I've hooked a big fish, but it's too early in the day right now for that. You can also consider the following, which happens to answer your second question.

"a townread of Squigs"? Are you being serious after our previous talk?

My initial scumread was on Jamie, and it was both flimsy and entirely based on some observations I have made about his play in games past to differentiate his "anger" and his anger. It was legitimate but would probably not have gained any traction. Likewise, it would have been viewed as a massive OMGUS if I had come out with it, so I didn't. At this point I think his repetitive, overused "jokes" signify that he is trying too hard to appear like his totally normal, insert-synonym-for-grumpy-here self, and I also take issue with the little wagon that couldn't on him toward the end of day 1. I believe that there was scum activity on it and that it could have been a bus and encourage you to review it for yourself if you're actually interested in what I think as opposed to just asking me a bland, needless question at an otherwise dull time for you in this game.

OK.

[thamrick]

Hey bo, care to give me your current reads? Also, was darg your initial scumread that you mentioned you had a case on mid D1? If not, who?

Generally speaking, my current reads can be found in my post regarding the EOD that I posted during the night. You can add a townread of Squigs, a general vibe scumread of worcej (though I literally always general vibe scumread worcej), and a sneaking suspicion on xorxes. I don't know why. My main intention today given that darg is no longer an option is to go after Moscow a bit and see if I've hooked a big fish, but it's too early in the day right now for that. You can also consider the following, which happens to answer your second question.

My initial scumread was on Jamie, and it was both flimsy and entirely based on some observations I have made about his play in games past to differentiate his "anger" and his anger. It was legitimate but would probably not have gained any traction. Likewise, it would have been viewed as a massive OMGUS if I had come out with it, so I didn't. At this point I think his repetitive, overused "jokes" signify that he is trying too hard to appear like his totally normal, insert-synonym-for-grumpy-here self, and I also take issue with the little wagon that couldn't on him toward the end of day 1. I believe that there was scum activity on it and that it could have been a bus and encourage you to review it for yourself if you're actually interested in what I think as opposed to just asking me a bland, needless question at an otherwise dull time for you in this game.

My scumread on darg was entirely based on his actions in this game and I remain convinced that darg was probably scum, but we'll never know for sure I suppose.

I do want to push back a little on that. When you posted that you had a case on someone (Jamie), Jamie was at 2. Of note, the vote count posted right before your posted that had Jamie at 1 (missing Moscow's vote). Without doing too much deep re-read, my recollection of around that stage in the game was that several people were townreading Jamie while several others were scumreading him. When you posted that you had a case on someone but it was not worth explicating on, I assumed your case was on someone that wasn't getting any traction. However, Jamie was a viable wagon at that point. When you voted darg, Jamie was still a viable wagon.

So why didn't you feel like Jamie was worth mentioning as your scumread at the time?

I agree the Jamie wagon at the end was strange. For how many people expressed concern about Jamie, that only a handful jumped on. And they did so pretty half-heartedly. Ezio moving off Jamie and onto Ike strikes me as odd. His stated reason was to consolidate, but Jamie was up 3-2 to Ike when Ezio moved and no one had mentioned Ike in a while. Moscow doubling down on Jamie is strange. Darg expressing willingness to move to Jamie but not after literally saying his vote was on damo due to gut and wanting to make more things happen gives me concern as well. I don't really know how the activity affects my read of Jamie. I can see it as set-up for bus cred as well as just a scum-driven town wagon. Need more info from flips to say. I agree that there was likely scum activity involved though.

[xorxes]

You know what, after some sleep thinks are more clear.

No town would shoot someone this way, without warning, without letting him claim a role or an item, this isn't a towny way to play.

##vote Ezio

And Bo is probably scum too.

Yes, shooting without letting him claim first is bad. Also if he was going to shoot, waiting to do it at night which risked the gun being stolen instead of shooting during the day was bad. Claiming the gun was bad. The whole thing was terrible, but I don't see how he can expect to get towncred for any of that, so what's the scum motivation?

[thamrick]

My 50-50 estimation seems much more reasonable than your 100-0.

Anyways, that's water under the bridge. I think you would have shot someone else if you were mafia, and in any case you probably wouldn't have claimed the gun, so I think you're likely town (and a very marginal chance you're alien).

RagingIke claimed a gun D1 as scum in M41 for the purpose of getting town read, and it worked well. It might have won the game for the mafia if his replacement had not been killed by the serial killer. Also, if dargorygel was town, he was a good choice for the shot because he could be justified as a top scum read.

##VOTE Ezio

Just because something is possible it doesn't make it likely. Of course we can't clear Ezio for claimimg the gun and shooting dargo, but I don't think he is the best lynch today.

Ok. So who do you think is the best lynch today? And what do you think of the other Ezio voters' votes?

[xorxes]

I agree the Jamie wagon at the end was strange. For how many people expressed concern about Jamie, that only a handful jumped on. And they did so pretty half-heartedly. Ezio moving off Jamie and onto Ike strikes me as odd. His stated reason was to consolidate, but Jamie was up 3-2 to Ike when Ezio moved and no one had mentioned Ike in a while.

Yeah, that looks weird considering that damo was at 3 also and Ezio ended up on damo anyway so the obvioius way for him to consolidate would have been to move to damo. Hmm...

[xorxes]

RagingIke claimed a gun D1 as scum in M41 for the purpose of getting town read, and it worked well. It might have won the game for the mafia if his replacement had not been killed by the serial killer. Also, if dargorygel was town, he was a good choice for the shot because he could be justified as a top scum read.

##VOTE Ezio

Just because something is possible it doesn't make it likely. Of course we can't clear Ezio for claimimg the gun and shooting dargo, but I don't think he is the best lynch today.

Ok. So who do you think is the best lynch today? And what do you think of the other Ezio voters' votes?

I don't know yet. Let's try ##VOTE Moscow

I don't scumread any of the Ezio voters at the moment. Jamiet's vote is consistent with his obsession from yesterday, rivera's vote seems to have some thought behind it. Vecna and bozo look the most opportunistic.

[bozotheclown]

You know what, after some sleep thinks are more clear.

No town would shoot someone this way, without warning, without letting him claim a role or an item, this isn't a towny way to play.

##vote Ezio

And Bo is probably scum too.

Yes, shooting without letting him claim first is bad. Also if he was going to shoot, waiting to do it at night which risked the gun being stolen instead of shooting during the day was bad. Claiming the gun was bad. The whole thing was terrible, but I don't see how he can expect to get towncred for any of that, so what's the scum motivation?

You say you do not see how Ezio could expect to get town credit for everything he did just as you town read him for doing it.

[dargorygel]

Vote Count 4.3
Ezio (4) Jamiet99uk, bozotheclown, Vecna, rdrivera2005
Vecna (1) Nephthys
MoscowFleet (1) xorxes

No End votes
At this moment in the space-time continuum, Ezio is heading for that Easy-ride to the stars.

Non voters: bo, emc, ezio, LQ, MF, PW, Ike, thamrick, Vapor, worcej
Non posters: MF, Ike
1 day, 7 hours, forty minutes left in this day.

[xorxes]

You know what, after some sleep thinks are more clear.

No town would shoot someone this way, without warning, without letting him claim a role or an item, this isn't a towny way to play.

##vote Ezio

And Bo is probably scum too.

Yes, shooting without letting him claim first is bad. Also if he was going to shoot, waiting to do it at night which risked the gun being stolen instead of shooting during the day was bad. Claiming the gun was bad. The whole thing was terrible, but I don't see how he can expect to get towncred for any of that, so what's the scum motivation?

You say you do not see how Ezio could expect to get town credit for everything he did just as you town read him for doing it.

Good point, but I don't so much townread him as not scumread him. And it's not a townread that will get him far anyway if he doesn't do anything else, so if he is scum he wasted a weapon that would have been much more useful later if nobody knew he had it.

[Percy Williams]

I got behind around page 20, and still haven't fully caught up. I get really uncomfortable posting before I catch up in case I have died ( from a day gun or something) and I just don't know if yet.

If you die you get a private message from the GM, so you don't need to worry about that.

I agree with $$ NO SHOOT we really need to know the alignment of whoever dies. As far as staying on Ezio, that means nothing, I wasn't here for the finale of Day one. My answer to what bozo meant was also me being a little mad when people scumread for low-posting, because I am one due to deal life busy stuff. I also hoped to discredit that list since it
A had me on it
B didn't have any evidence
C was positive activity that I felt safe in doing.

I do realize I look alien, but I think the day 3 plan for catching alien is great, and I will comply.

The alien has the same information as town, so it's easy for them to blend in as another townie. What do you think makes you look alien?

Simply because I tend to never lost a lot, which is great alien strategy this game. Before I just kicked it up, people had legitimately forgotten about me. If I was the alien, I'd have been nailing this game so far. But I'm not the alien, and I'm fine trying to break my shell, post a bit more, and I can't wait for our day three plan.