Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[xorxes]

From the Mafia QT

Ezio: Kill xorxes
Yavu: Kill xorxes
ND: Kill xorxes
DrCJG: Kill xorxes
Mystery Scum #5: Wussies
brainbomb: Dilly Dilly!

[Balki Bartokomous]

You wanted to lynch me, fine. Lying that the wagon he joined was already dead when we were tied, and likely explaining why all the pressure on Ike disappeared, is off.

I did not "lie that the wagon was dead." I was trying to whip votes. I said:

@Xorx, I don't think that wagon is going anywhere. Join me on DemonRHK please.

That is not a lie. I genuinely did not think that the Ike wagon was going anywhere. I wanted Xorx to consolidate with me on the DemonRHK wagon. That turned out to be a solid prediction. The Ike wagon did not go anywhere.

I whip votes all the time. Why is it "off"? How did I "lie"?

[worcej]

no it was why did you say such dumb shit not why did you flip town smh worcej

The only thing that stands out often to me is he felt like you were scum.

I absolutely do struggle to understand why Peter was mobbed there - in the last hour he became a counter wagon and then in the last 10 minutes became the leading wagon. There is some either shit sheeping or scum manipulating going on here, which leaves me frustrated...

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Durga, you're questioning my Peter vote?

My preference was Lynch DemonRHK > Lynch Peter > Lynch Damo

I tried to accomplish my first goal. When that seemed unlikely, I tried to make sure that Damo was not lynched.

Can you explain your skepticism?

[ND]

@xorxes, why do you trust damo? I agree that he's town, but he doesn't seem all that bright.

He often has good instincts. His read lists have been pretty good too.

This shows me that Xorxes isn't paying attention to the game or doesn't care. Damo has repeatedly said that he doesn't have a scum read on anyone. So how are his reads good Xorxes? Also, I think you may have gone kind of nuts b/c your static scum list doesn't even make sense. I can't tell if you are rxn baiting or you are truly just apathetic. Not saying Xorxes is scum yet, but he really doesn't look good.

[xorxes]

@xorxes, why do you trust damo? I agree that he's town, but he doesn't seem all that bright.

He often has good instincts. His read lists have been pretty good too.

This shows me that Xorxes isn't paying attention to the game or doesn't care. Damo has repeatedly said that he doesn't have a scum read on anyone. So how are his reads good Xorxes?

Yes, he gave a couple of lists separating people in town vs null and they were for the most part in agreement with my thinking. Identifying townies is very often the best way to catch scum by POE.

Also, I think you may have gone kind of nuts b/c your static scum list doesn't even make sense. I can't tell if you are rxn baiting or you are truly just apathetic. Not saying Xorxes is scum yet, but he really doesn't look good.

I guess your problem is if you want to kill me one of you has to risk being watched... :)

[ND]

If your town then I want you to try not to play so apathetic. We are getting slammed. You seriously need to step up Xorxes. Your stuff is static and town reading someone for never scum hunting is not normal play.

[worcej]

@xorxes, why do you trust damo? I agree that he's town, but he doesn't seem all that bright.

He often has good instincts. His read lists have been pretty good too.

This shows me that Xorxes isn't paying attention to the game or doesn't care. Damo has repeatedly said that he doesn't have a scum read on anyone. So how are his reads good Xorxes? Also, I think you may have gone kind of nuts b/c your static scum list doesn't even make sense. I can't tell if you are rxn baiting or you are truly just apathetic. Not saying Xorxes is scum yet, but he really doesn't look good.

I really wish I could +1 this - Damo definitely is not reading anything this game, which is the only abnormal thing I can comment on based off his current play. Typically he would have early read lists like this one: viewtopic.php?p=32799#p32799

This is why I am frustrated... all the other actions by Damo seem town, but him not putting a read list together and having at least one scum read is new territory for how he acts. This style change seems forced, especially with the fact he would usually at least joke vote for me...

[Ezio]

Xorxes you don't understand. This is a game with guns. I already know I'm going to die regardless of how scummy I actually am and regardless of anyone's reads on me.
As a result, I care more about not getting shot than I do not getting lynched.

You still haven't said wheee the rest of the scumreads come from, and if they're based off of your scumread of me or not. If they're entirely independent then go ahead and keep scimreadojg then. If they're largely based on assuming I'm scum because szpoti had a shitty first day, you're gonna be in for a bad time.

[Durga]

@xorxes, why do you trust damo? I agree that he's town, but he doesn't seem all that bright.

He often has good instincts. His read lists have been pretty good too.

This shows me that Xorxes isn't paying attention to the game or doesn't care. Damo has repeatedly said that he doesn't have a scum read on anyone. So how are his reads good Xorxes? Also, I think you may have gone kind of nuts b/c your static scum list doesn't even make sense. I can't tell if you are rxn baiting or you are truly just apathetic. Not saying Xorxes is scum yet, but he really doesn't look good.

when ND makes more sense than xorxes

[xorxes]

If your town then I want you to try not to play so apathetic. We are getting slammed. You seriously need to step up Xorxes. Your stuff is static and town reading someone for never scum hunting is not normal play.

OK, I'll try my best to improve if I'm still here tomorrow.

[xorxes]

Xorxes you don't understand. This is a game with guns. I already know I'm going to die regardless of how scummy I actually am and regardless of anyone's reads on me.
As a result, I care more about not getting shot than I do not getting lynched.

It's not at all certain that town will get a gun. How about caring more about catching scum instead of about getting shot or lynched?

You still haven't said wheee the rest of the scumreads come from, and if they're based off of your scumread of me or not. If they're entirely independent then go ahead and keep scimreadojg then. If they're largely based on assuming I'm scum because szpoti had a shitty first day, you're gonna be in for a bad time.

We'll see, won't we? Do you have any reads? Top three town and top three scum?

[xorxes]

when ND makes more sense than xorxes

I think ND knows exactly what he needs to do to pocket you. You were even townreading him last game for stretches of time.

[Durga]

when ND makes more sense than xorxes

I think ND knows exactly what he needs to do to pocket you. You were even townreading him last game for stretches of time.

oh please be real, i pushed him the most.

[xorxes]

I think ND knows exactly what he needs to do to pocket you. You were even townreading him last game for stretches of time.

oh please be real, i pushed him the most.

Do you really want me to go look for quotes?

[Durga]

I think ND knows exactly what he needs to do to pocket you. You were even townreading him last game for stretches of time.

oh please be real, i pushed him the most.

Do you really want me to go look for quotes?

You're talking about the time jamiet messaged me telling me to stop trolling. You pointed it out yourself that was influenced by jamiet. Also, everyone has moments of faltering faith. Why are you being so obtuse.

[xorxes]

oh please be real, i pushed him the most.

Do you really want me to go look for quotes?

You're talking about the time jamiet messaged me telling me to stop trolling. You pointed it out yourself that was influenced by jamiet. Also, everyone has moments of faltering faith. Why are you being so obtuse.

That was one of the times, yes, but I seem to recall you having moments of weakness even before that.

[xorxes]

@worcej, I forgot to ask, did you hardclaim town this game? I seem to recall you pride yourself of never hardclaiming falsely, so a hard claim here can help us eliminate one more suspect.

[ghug]

Huh? Didn't you say:



So I did.

Why'd you vote for Peter and not damo?

I could ask you the same question. The vote was tied. A decision had to be made. I thought Peter was likely to be scum than Damo. In hindsight, I guess he was showing he just wasn't that into this game.

So why did you vote for Peter?

I should hope that voting for the person one scumreads more is a given. My question is why.

I've been pretty clear about my thinking. If you want to know my reasoning, you could try participating in the game.

[Durga]

Actually I can't figure out why you voted for Peter either ghug, other than it being 'interesting'