Mafia 85: Return from Lockdown

[foodcoats]

...and a person?

JamieT!

I choose DOWN.

So the list is as follows:

4 bozotheclown

targets

5 Brainbomb

targets

6 BunnyGo

targets

7 Chaqa

targets

8 Damo666

targets

9 Diplomacy&Warfare

targets

10 foodcoats

targets

11 Frogsterking

targets

12 Hamilton Brian

targets

13 heartthrob24909

targets

14 Jamiet99uk

targets

15 Kakarroto

targets

16 lfischl

targets

17 Nephthys

targets

18 sweetandcool

targets

19 Worcej

targets

1 babyspice666

targets

2 BK3K

targets

3 BobMcBob

targets

4 Bozotheclown
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Okay? Is that right, and are we clear?

Neat!

[Jamiet99uk]

I nominate foodcoats

@food pick a number one to five and a person please (if you want strictly alpha choose 1). The person food picks simply picks another person who nominates up or down.

You realize if food is scum none of this matters?

You are wrong, Bunny.

This methodology is designed to be immune to scum manipulation.

[BobMcBob]

Massclaim? More like masslame

Do you think it is pro-town to push a town strategy where we get information we can't properly use? Honestly?

I'm using lame here quite literally. I think it's generally not particularly fun and kinda boring. Also it's much less likely to work than usual in this setup. Also also it can't walk, hence lame.

[BunnyGo]

@food pick a number one to five and a person please (if you want strictly alpha choose 1). The person food picks simply picks another person who nominates up or down.

You realize if food is scum none of this matters?

You are wrong, Bunny.

This methodology is designed to be immune to scum manipulation.

K. I’ll go back to reading to my kids and let you guys handle it.

[Jamiet99uk]

You realize if food is scum none of this matters?

You are wrong, Bunny.

This methodology is designed to be immune to scum manipulation.

K. I’ll go back to reading to my kids and let you guys handle it.

I mean if you can explain how Scum!Foodcoats could manipulate all this to Scum's benefit I'd been keen to hear it.

Otherwise, people who want to participate have their orders.

[Nephthys]

/snip

please explain what do you find here so disgusting, preferable in the english language

Inherently D1 is a semi-blind shot. There is often little of objectively analyse, yes we hit town more than mafia. However we can then analyse the wagons etc with our first piece of objective evidence. In a role madness where we never really know our own actions, I would argue that we need all the objective information we can get. Another reason why I find anyone that wants to kill a lurker today inherently scummy

[Nephthys]

still I think voting damo isn't too wrong here, he hasn't posted the whole day, don't like that.

Following on from my previous post, Kak seems intent on getting us as little info as possible...

that is a huge assumption and I would love you to show me (or better: the other players) what your evidence for that is.

I just left the relevant bit. You're genuinely interested in killing someone who at the time had a negligible post count. See above post for interpretation

[Nephthys]

I thought you helped come up with the idea for this game. Why do you think in a game where every player is a PR that we should not try to use that to our advantage?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main gimmick of this setup is that nobody knows what they are. I have a suspicion that this may have been to directly combat mech clears while still having a lot of silly roles. Also I just don't like D1 mechs discussion. Mostly that.

aren't there some maf-roles that 'eff' with PR roles? *looks* hmm, well, there is one kinda RB, and the rest are information gain roles. So ok, the potential isn't too great.

Still, one role which blocks and that could lead to a chain reaction so people don't get their supposed information (like, if the rb hit a role that scans a role, but that person was targeted by a role that returns what their target gets, and so on). If mafia knows what town generally plans, there are ways for them to manipulate.

We should be very cautious for any big plans that are complicated. I would prefer if everyone decides for themselves as that would also show us their thought process (at least partially), but if we decide to make a plan for all of us, then it should be one that is fool proof and doesn't let mafia much room for manipulations (well I doubt there will be none, but I haven't thought it through so maybe there is).

Hmmm, Mild town points for this tbh. Surely a mafia would be inherently more aware of the roles and thus not be so vague.
Its semantics, but its something

[Frogsterking]

I have seen bozo online on this forum multiple times, and it seems like after most of them, he posts nothing

This seems like a fabrication, I have always had my status hidden for non-mafia game reasons.

Ehh

[sweetandcool]

/snip

please explain what do you find here so disgusting, preferable in the english language

Inherently D1 is a semi-blind shot. There is often little of objectively analyse, yes we hit town more than mafia. However we can then analyse the wagons etc with our first piece of objective evidence. In a role madness where we never really know our own actions, I would argue that we need all the objective information we can get. Another reason why I find anyone that wants to kill a lurker today inherently scummy

The problem is that you are scum reading someone for playing in a different way than you like.

[Nephthys]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the main gimmick of this setup is that nobody knows what they are. I have a suspicion that this may have been to directly combat mech clears while still having a lot of silly roles. Also I just don't like D1 mechs discussion. Mostly that.

Right, so the only way to get useful information is to identify everyone's role, which of course also tells us who all the town players are. In my opinion, the fastest way to identify everyone's role is to have everyone target a different player N1 and have everyone claim their scan result, and I don't think the mafia can do a lot to obscure the results.

well this sounds simple enough.

hmm

I fear though that could give mafia very good intel, with the 'claim their scan result'. Like if they want to PR hunt, that's a pretty good sorting mechanism.

On the other hand, it wouldn't give mafia too much freedom for fake claiming stuff. Hmm. I'm not sure if it is worth the trade off. I want other people to say what they think about that.

@food
@worcej
@bunny
@jamie
@B3K3

I want you to think about that and give me your opinions and thoughts. Everyone else is welcomed too, but those five I want explicitly to answer it.

Well, lets add one more:

@Nephthys please also add your thoughts and opinion on that matter. Do you maybe have a better idea how we could proceed if there is an all encompassing plan for town?

Hmm the best I've got is situational and would allow the detective to discover who they are. Given its situational I'm not gonna discuss it just yet

[Frogsterking]

@lfishl

Do you have any scum games on or off site where you were under pressure? I know you said you have some onsite where you did well.

[damo666]

I nominate foodcoats

@food pick a number one to five and a person please (if you want strictly alpha choose 1). The person food picks simply picks another person who nominates up or down.

You realize if food is scum none of this matters?

Well if food is scum he'd have to pick a teammate to influence it so that's a fair tradeoff.

[damo666]

...and a person?

JamieT!

I choose DOWN.

So the list is as follows:

4 bozotheclown

targets

5 Brainbomb

targets

6 BunnyGo

targets

7 Chaqa

targets

8 Damo666

targets

9 Diplomacy&Warfare

targets

10 foodcoats

targets

11 Frogsterking

targets

12 Hamilton Brian

targets

13 heartthrob24909

targets

14 Jamiet99uk

targets

15 Kakarroto

targets

16 lfischl

targets

17 Nephthys

targets

18 sweetandcool

targets

19 Worcej

targets

1 babyspice666

targets

2 BK3K

targets

3 BobMcBob

targets

4 Bozotheclown
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Okay? Is that right, and are we clear?

This is doubly wrong.

Firstly 4 determines the gap not the start point which achieved fuck all. So 4 means 10 targets 6 if up and 14 if down.

Secondly not up to Jamie to choose up down but nominate a person so to choose.

This gives a four person ladder and adequate protection against scum manipulation.

[BunnyGo]

@food pick a number one to five and a person please (if you want strictly alpha choose 1). The person food picks simply picks another person who nominates up or down.

You realize if food is scum none of this matters?

Well if food is scum he'd have to pick a teammate to influence it so that's a fair tradeoff.

Hmm.


Anyways. Time to go drink.


And read how EOD1 went.

[BunnyGo]

okay popping back in, ive read most of the thread and I'm going to ##vote Just

@EmmaBunton time to talk.

Tell us a little about what you know of the game.

You said you read almost the whole thread in about 3 hours. What’d you think? Who stood out to you?

Why’d you vote Just?


Did you know what would happen when you tied the vote?

[Hamilton Brian]

Wait a minute:

Why did there happen to be a discrep with the bot and our final numbers?

Looking at the final vote count that Monarch posted, lfischl is on Just but the bot shows their vote on BK3K. What's up with that?

JustAGuyNamedWill (7) Diplomacy&Warfare, foodcoats, bozotheclown, Hamilton Brian, brainbomb, babyspice666, lfischl
BK3K (5) Frogsterking, BobMcBob, Kakarroto, JustAGuyNamedWill
sweetandcool (2) damo666, BunnyGo
lfischl (3) Chaqa, heartthrob24909, Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto (1) Nephthys
Diplomacy&Warfare (1) BK3K
Frogsterking (1) sweetandcool
Chaqa (1) worcej

Because the GM posted the "PLEASE HOLD" message about 30 seconds after the timer the bot uses decided the phase had ended.

The GM chose to accept all votes up to "PLEASE HOLD" including my vote for Lfischl, and Lfischl's vote for Will. Speaking as a regular GM, this is the correct adjudication.

Thanks for the clarification. So, does this mean that the vote from babyspice shouldn't be looked on with suspicion, or it's still up there? Am I making something out of nothing?

[BunnyGo]

Ok. Dishes. Drinking. Then more reading. Wanted to ISO babyspice and saw all 3 posts

[brainbomb]

From the Maf Qt

BK3k: Okay I think brain might be the cop, and worcej is probably the doctor

Jamie: No. Everyone has no idea what their role is. It is very specific.

Bk3k: But they might be those roles

Jamie: Utter rubbish. absolute poppycock. Complete bullshit.

Damo: Jamie keep fighting with brain and find something to get under his skin about.

Jamie: Utter rubbish, brainbomb isnt real. He is just an AI generated by elon musk.

Bk3k: Who should we kill

Jamie: Utter rubbish. the idea that we should kill someone is absolute bullshit and complete poppycock

[Chaqa]

This is Jamie's favourite miskill hill to die on. Town people say false things too.

I like this post

Chaqa, you said you lfischl vote was a park. What was your thought process around just staying parked? Do you have any thoughts or reads at this time?

I think Bob is town.

Otherwise not really.

I should be more engaged tomorrow. Weekends are super busy for me and do every time a game starts on a Friday or Saturday I always feel behind the 8-ball.