M53: Mafia 1 Redux

[brainbomb]

did you see the kalel quotes I found where he starts the game listing you and xorx as scum together and then last night you both dropped off to null and arent even mentioned by name?

[brainbomb]

The NKs

Presumably:

Xorxes RBd and killed by scum
Squigs: SK target
Neph: Misguided vig shot.

Brain badvig?

why?
why do we think squiggs was targeted by sk?

[rdrivera2005]

did you see the kalel quotes I found where he starts the game listing you and xorx as scum together and then last night you both dropped off to null and arent even mentioned by name?

I am trying to not tunnel that much on this game, but yes, Kalel reads were really poor.
But I don't think he listed me and Xorxes as scum together, more like if one us was scum trying to buddy/pocket the other that is town. You don't pocket a scumbudy.
Anyway, will ISO him next as I have some time and it's another short one.

[brainbomb]

Bob's play is still questionable to me, but he'd have to be SK at this point I think.

Hey, Bob's starting to get the hang of this.

Role playing was one of several reasons I scumread you. In my experience roleplaying has been employed by scum more than town. It's not condemning by any means, but it was a brick in my case against you.

The buddying was another brick, and it wasnt just the Neph/Bunny thing, you agreed with 2 of my posts, the other one being about Xorxes and Vecna. Your posts were agreeing with me and then restating what I said without adding any new insights.

It's okay to have incorrect reads. It's okay to be wrong about something. What is scummy is when you dont commit to your reads. When you hedge, you set yourself up so that you can reverse and backpedal. Your case on me here, this I consider to be a genuine, but incorrect case. It shows you are actually looking into me, questioning me, thinking independently. Theres a logical consistency to them. Your reads before were surface level.

So no, my case didnt require you to be skilled at the game. My case relies on how you have approached the game, how you interact with others, the situations you set yourself into.

I think my points on Bob day 1 were valid, and I think he still has played questionably, but as I stated at the beginning of N1, he's doesnt make much sense as mafia because of that EoD.

Yes you were on my radar page 13. Between page 13 and 49, a lot happened, and my read on you changed.

So you've got a choice Bob. You can continue to complain that people are mislynching you, scumreading you, whatever. You can continue to sell yourself short and say you aren't capable of playing well. Or, you can look around at the better players, try to understand the game, and evolve your own play. Choice is yours.

Squiggs comments N1 wrt to bob.



BOB comments on squiggs

Someone please tell me why I hate Squigs so much. Or more accurately, why he hates me so much. In M50 he scumread me completely incorrectly for the entire game, and pushed strongly for me. Now he's doing it again. Why is that Squigs? You jump on me for being forced (having fun with ye olde Anglish), being inconclusive (because I'm supposed to somehow draw conclusions from all that day one @%$#) and then for "scumreading" Jamie over what was, even to me, quite obviously a joke.

##Vote Squigs because he's scumreading me once again for my playstyle, quite possibly because he knows that it doesn't look great and is hoping for an easy lynch.

To be honest, no. But I think pushing someone for being a noob is never a good sign. Most of M50 you were trying to lynch me for being apologetic, despite my constant apologising for the fact that I just don't normally have strong opinions. And the reason my reads seem copied is because other people often have convincing reasons for reading someone that I agree with. Is there a problem with agreeing with someone? Would you prefer that I make up bull#%$@ reads so that you can push me for lynch because my reads are bad instead? I don't have enough insight into this game to have many original reads, nor for the ones I do to be good.

List of unoriginal or just plain bad reads coming once I've had dinner and stuff.

if were assuming sk.killed squiggs then bob is pretty much the only person with a motive to do so.

[brainbomb]

what is more important for a villager to do

use their vote to try to lynch scum
or stay alive at all costs

[brainbomb]

I am a Webdip member.

there is nothing to claim and whoever shot neph I am deeply sorry for playing shitty

[rdrivera2005]

Done with Kalel ISO. Honestly, it was less scummy then I remembered. The main thing is the defensiveness and the noob card. After 5 games you aren't a newbie anymore.

The thing that gives me pause is this quote

If I was to switch my vote to Bob right now it would imply scum partnering with e.m.c.? Just checking...

Would scum Kalel be bold enough to ask this question? It just feel too easy.

[brainbomb]

ok

yea his iso is okay mostly.

##Vote bobmcbob

[brainbomb]

@bobmcbob

I know that you have never played a 3rd party before. So it actually is really challenging. There is a rule, not sure if youre aware of it. If you claim serial killer, and claim who you killed, sometimes it unlocks the ability to win with town.

Its a hidden rule that they dont mention in the role pms usually. so if you need to claim sk join town and you can potentially get a new team

[brainbomb]

I am.kidding bob. there is no such rule.

did you kill squiggs tho?

[brainbomb]

BobMcBob
Day-2 47:48
page 65 / orig Damn, I really hope it wasn't the vig that shot xorxes. Losing the doctor is bad. Seems I was wrong about both Squigs and Neph though

BobMcBob
Day-2 47:43
page 66 / orig
↑flash2015: "Was someone following BB's advice to shoot Nepthys?"
Did bb shoot Nephthys? I really hope bb is not the vig...

pretty much how a brand new sk would post after their first kill. stunned at the other kills on the list. curious about them.

eager to unravel who did the other 2 kills. but not squiggs...

[Vecna]

##vote brainbomb

[brainbomb]

any questions for me vecna

[foodcoats]

@bobmcbob

I know that you have never played a 3rd party before. So it actually is really challenging. There is a rule, not sure if youre aware of it. If you claim serial killer, and claim who you killed, sometimes it unlocks the ability to win with town.

Its a hidden rule that they dont mention in the role pms usually. so if you need to claim sk join town and you can potentially get a new team

Wasn't someone banned for misrepresenting the rules like this?

[foodcoats]

to the people voting me let me know if theres anything I can do for you to help you solve the game other than my flip. reads, opinions, questions. Anything you ask for you get today.

Ill cooperate in any capacity with anything anyone wants moving forward and interhect as few of my own offensive opinions as I can

Didn't you accuse Bob McBob of being scum because they tried to avoid being lynched? Why are you doing it now? Is it okay if it's you?

[foodcoats]

Id say the odds of emc being scum are 0% here

##Vote emc

##Vote bunnygo

stays frozen all day. then gets cold feet in final 5 min.

BunnyGo

Running out of time. But having read through his ISO, I don't see any reasons for a vote here. My strongest townread from ISO actually. Do not lynch this Bunny.

Emc... I'm weakening on. I like his defense and I like his frustrated fury. I feel scumEMC tends to expect death and rolls with it with his usual lighthearted style.

I feel he's scummier than his rival lead wagons, but not scummy enough at this point to lynch.

I'm going back to:

#vote Bozo

invalid vote

kit your vote on bozo wasnt valid

ok fine
##Vote bunnygo

This entire sequence looks like brainbomb is trying to prevent emc from getting lynched, except obviously the vote for emc. Trying twice to get Kitsune to correct her invalid vote that would have moved a vote off of emc was an obvious move to prevent an emc lynch. Considering all of this, I do not see any town motivation for the vote on emc as soon as emc became the leading wagon. It looks like typical bussing, getting on the emc wagon in case it became a run away wagon.

Also, emc did not make any comments about brainbomb after he started posting.

##VOTE brainbomb

I've stated my case on brainbomb, I liked Jamie's case, and I like this case.

##VOTE brainbomb

[brainbomb]

BobMcBob SK
bozotheclown
brainbomb Webdip VT
BunnyGo
damo666
e.m.c^42 Mafia Goon
flash2015
foodcoats
Foxcastle
Jamiet99uk
Kakarroto
KalelChase
Kitsune
Nephthys Webdip member
rdrivera2005
Squigs44 Webdip member
Vecna
xorxes Doctor

Please continue to not post. Bot is set up and game starts at 6 PM EST.
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with.sk outted, and vig holstering rest of the game my death doesnt hurt town too bad. force maf to rb bobmcbob or take their chances. not sure scum likes havinh to burn rb on bob but they risk much more by letting him fire.

at this point scum will hard buddy bob harder than ever because they know he only will shoot out of self perservation

[brainbomb]

fwiw foodcoats almost died last night.

[foodcoats]

Losing Xorxes is a massive blow but not a massive surprise.

##vote Bunny

Maybe ask yourself why the vig didn’t shoot me. Me and everyone else here says I’m presenting scummy...yet I wasn’t shot. I even asked for it...

Just because you weren't shot doesn't mean you're town. Are we a joke to you?

[brainbomb]

Anyway.

its been fun.

I guess thats all I got?