Mafia Olympics - Gold Medal Game- Fantasy Football - Official Game Thread

[Hamilton Brian]

Oh, forgot to say:

I was roleblocked last night.

Are you trolling us? So was bona.

[Hamilton Brian]

Perfect. Thanks.

Oh…

I do have one final question for the witness…


Who do you think the scum killed?

Did they kill Jamie too and that’s why there’s no elim or maybe there was successful save?

Hmmm...need to reread the death, but that's some interesting conjecture.

[Hamilton Brian]

Please elaborate on what you think happened

I think ghug may have though Jamie was scum from something earlier maybe just cause Jamie always seem scum? He’s always very loud so maybe that idk. And when ghug gave Jamie the chance to save himself he made no effort so ghug didn’t have to make much of a decision otherwise and can say there was no defense. Now if ghug is scum they could be trying to set up you (bunny) and others I forget that seemed to have similar interests as Jamie in some way I just can’t think of who else. I’m not sure if ghug is scum but these are the general scenarios I see

I see colby is on the same wavelength as me for what happened.

Worcej, what was leading you to work toward the same conclusion/wavelength as col7by?

[Hamilton Brian]

@Superbunny, what's your rating on Superbozo's performance? Do you think we should keep giving it to him, or try someone else?

I’m waiting to hear how it went. There’s several possibilities. And some of them, I’d might believe are too good to be true. But as we had no save of someone I was townreading? Not good. If he went all in and watched his save; I could forgive but it’d be unfortunate. If town!ghug (&lord knows scum!ghug would ghuggle about calling his shot here) did kill Jamie and bozo saved another kill…well…I hope he went all in and watched his save too!


That said: SUPERBUNNY (TM) is ready for action.


How was your dinosaur rendezvous?

I wonder if the best use of the dual role is to watch and save two separate people? Need to spread out the reading of the pool and that should be in the hands of someone decent at town and mafia reading, which isn't me.

[Hamilton Brian]

This is the question…

Why do you seem credulous that ghug killed Jamie?

TBF, the immediate "whoops" post is very implicative...

Fake!

What's fake? Worcej's post or ghug's reaction?

[Hamilton Brian]

Fake!

So you think ghug is faking?

It’s possible. We’ve seen scum!ghug publicly post something like that before. It amuses him. The lack of two kills makes me curious.

Ah...now it's becoming a littler clearer.

[Hamilton Brian]

I fundamentally disagree with the mega superpowered player. This game is just townsided (from what i’ve thought about at least) and the best way for scum to counteract that is to limit our PR information

I believe D1 was mafia trying to push a mafia player into the consensus towncore

Super curious about this - why do you think the setup is town sided?

13-4 (maybe 13.5-4?) i believe is a townsided setup in vanilla play, so with powers, its townsided

But the powers are pretty random, right? We can't count on anything so it's not entirely townsided.

[Hamilton Brian]

In seriousness, I don't think it makes sense to elect either of us again unless we actually do something to prove our worth or either of us becomes especially widely townread.

The benefit of stacking powers in the early game is assuring that investigative information survives the night, not in gambling on our ability to correctly identify town.

Just thinking this now...no, I'll put it in my notes and GT. Just playing around doc saves, etc.

[Hamilton Brian]

13-4 (maybe 13.5-4?) i believe is a townsided setup in vanilla play, so with powers, its townsided

Eh, balance usually assumes powers, and 12-4 is around the sweet spot. Add in the inability to actually vote and the weakness of the powers and lack of clears and I don't think it really favors town.

Yeah, this is pretty rough in terms of people not doing things. My thoughts on each player on who to put in the PR spot.

Will: I think he's probably town, would give him a PR spot.

Bunny: I have to realize he'd go for the power position as either alignment. I think I'm just willing to give him the doctor/watcher position but not the JOAT. He's one of the only players trying to push the game state forward right now so if he is town, it would be good to give him a chance to prove it.

Damo: I think he's probably town, would give him a PR spot.

Bona: Ehhh, not feeling he's a town in sync with the game yet.

Bozo: Unless he reveals something, I don't want him getting it twice in a row.

Ghug: Ditto Bozo

Fluminator: Handsome and would vote for myself.

Worcej: I would give it to him. He's always hard to read so giving him a chance to prove himself if he's town would be useful on him.

Glitterbomb: Honestly, giving her the power of a PR would be so much fun considering this is her second game.

All the rest: No

I have a pretty big list of people I'll give it to, so other people need to give their lists so we can compare.

Brian likes this post and wants to town Flum for it.

[damo666]

Why? Are you making pairs?

I'd rather not say unless it becomes relevant.

That's queryical.

ChatGPT tells me there are currently 1365 possible mafia groupings out of the bunch of us.

2380

[Hamilton Brian]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

Knowing doc can't self save, wouldn't the mafia hit on the doc result in that kill? I am not understanding the connection to the TE.

[Hamilton Brian]

If ghug is town, do you think ghug threatening to shoot Jamie would make it more or less likely the mafia would NK him?

If ghug is town; I think the scum might see it and decide to play mind games. That was my message to the GT.

But that relies on them thinking the same metascum!ghug picture that I have...so maybe it is less likey they target Jamie.

I think personally that mind gaming as scum isn’t as rewarding of a strategy as just eliminating someone. Takes an extra kill out without guaranteeing a miskill in the future for it

I agree with this. I think mafia want to get numbers down as quickly as possible. Why wouldn't they want to get into KILO fast?

[Hamilton Brian]

I find it odd the Jamie didn’t fight for himself but maybe that is his approach as a town instead of trying to fight to stay in. Obviously my argument didn’t do much swaying

What do you mean, "didn't fight for himself?"

Ghug said he was planning shooting Jamie and if he had anything to say and Jamie never did

Right; makes sense. You'd think Jamie would have called him some four letter word accompanied with "idiot."

[worcej]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

I'm assuming this was GM confirmed?

[worcej]

Wow, I think Will is Town, this is great. Haven't even read his ISO yet XD

Why explicitly?

I just saw a couple posts that scum Will would never make.

...such as?

[worcej]

There are players who in a single game play runningback and wideout. There is a TE taysom hill who also plays as quarterback. There are quarterbacks who line up as wideout in the wildcat; even famous scores have happened in these plays such as the philly special. Ect.

If you dont really know a whole lot about football I am happy to educate. :)

But you can't play TE and QB in the same play. It's impossible!

One play you can be TE another you can be QB, and while you are TE there must still be a QB. I would call them the QB and you the TE in that situation.

Also, Taysom Hill is qualified as a QB on the Saint's depth chart

[worcej]

I did not have any posts between these 2 posts of yours. What was your comment about me based on?

I saw several mentions about mechs and Bozo.

Or maybe I just assumed you were the culprit?

Why didn't you start by reading the setup?

Hey bona, you should answer this one too

[damo666]

I think ghug may have though Jamie was scum from something earlier maybe just cause Jamie always seem scum? He’s always very loud so maybe that idk. And when ghug gave Jamie the chance to save himself he made no effort so ghug didn’t have to make much of a decision otherwise and can say there was no defense. Now if ghug is scum they could be trying to set up you (bunny) and others I forget that seemed to have similar interests as Jamie in some way I just can’t think of who else. I’m not sure if ghug is scum but these are the general scenarios I see

Interesting proposition. Is this you assuming ghug had a vig shot? Did he? Ah, possible in that FLEX role. So ghug will be claiming what thing he had, and does vig get to holster? But then they lose that power if not voted into the same role the following day, right? So ghug had something, but we don't know some things.

Tell me, col7by, why this might be a setup of Bunny?

Ghug seems to have claimed the vig shot and that’s what we need to do in the aftermath see if it’s true. Jamie and bunny seemed to be aligned if I remember correctly (along with others?) on some thinking so it looks like it could make Jamie and these other people appear like a team. Just don’t remember who exactly

So, you think ghug shot Jamie within seconds of learning his Flex power and mafia holstered or also targeted Jamie.

Right.

[worcej]

Just looking at this again...

QB: Bozotheclown (4)
RB 1: BunnyGo (5)
RB 2: Bonatogether (5)
WR 1: Hamilton Brian (3)
Wr 2: Rdrivera2005 (4)
TE: worcej (6)
FLEX: Ghug (8)
D/ST: Bozotheclown (6)
K: Tie
I/R: TheFlyingBoat (5)

Does this mean that bozo was both watcher AND doc?
And do we then assume that neither Bunny or bona are responsible for the death of Jamie? So that doesn't eliminate either of them as potential suspects since there might be 2 or 3 other mafia around them to carry out the kill?

You all have probably covered this already but I am working on catching forward from last check-in.

Yes it does.

IDK, is the mafia kill subject to the RB? ##call GM question

[damo666]

@Col7by what is your first language?