Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

In which post is he there twice

This is your post on page 29 (no double sweet)

Okay so

Town

kingofthepirates
foodcoats
sweetandcool
ghug
Hamilton Brian
ND
rdrivera2005
snowy801
Chaqa
Vecna
Kakarroto
DrFidelis
worcej
dargorygel
Diplomacy&Warfare
Balki Bartokomous
brainbomb
damo666

Mafia

I can elaborate on whomever. Except Vecna and kak for obvious reasons

This is your post page 37 (double sweet)

Town

kingofthepirates
foodcoats
sweetandcool
ghug
Hamilton Brian
ND
rdrivera2005
snowy801
Chaqa
Vecna
Kakarroto
DrFidelis
worcej
dargorygel
Diplomacy&Warfare
damo666
brainbomb
Sweet
Balki Bartokomous

Mafia

also, it seems you haven't seen my previous questions, or ignored them, but:

-) Why is the 'mistake' you pointed out yourself inbetween both posts, of DrFidelis being inbetween three non-postsers, not corrected?

-) What method did you use to put the three non-posters in that order?

I don’t know, guess I just forgot

Also I just put them there randomly, idk why each was above the other

[snowy801]

Balki? Really?

##vote Balki

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Balki seems to have participated mostly in defense of himself and mech talk. Mech talk is NAI and his defense is scummy in this game

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Why are messages turning red randomly?

[sweetandcool]

Really, Balki? Why ghug? I thought I provoked a response from him that seemed pretty towny.

[kingofthepirates]

Well, almost EOD (end of day, I assume?), and yeah, quite a few new pages! Also seems consistent has generally pivoted to damo. As much as I am reluctant to vote given what little information we have, I’ll follow through with my previous idea (voting with majority) and play it safe by avoiding giving more power to MMA: ##VOTE damo
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Don't do this with so much time left. Your vote is one of the biggest tools others can use to read you. If you're just going with consensus, it looks like you're avoiding committing to an opinion. Put your own ideas out there and then consolidate and the end if you want to.

##VOTE Balki
This shit is stale

I am currently on the road with spotty data. I’ll put this out now in case I miss it, since this looks like consensus.

[Kakarroto]

Man, I was briefly tempted to actually go back and try to convince you why Dip is scum. But first, I can't ISO them and I also really don't want to waste more time on a lost cause of a game.

I think Dip is Mafia because their play so far aligns with how I've seen them play as Mafia previously. I think I've seen a couple of posts that were unhelpful sheeping, and a couple posts that look like a lot of "work" but are largely pointless.

What's so impressive about this post? They just acknowledge all the people telling them that Chaqa was joking. Pretty sure they could have just moved onto their next suspect, which I'm pretty sure they've already expressed a strong desire on one or maybe two people, instead of just moving to No-Kill.

I never said it was impressive. I said this post doesn't seem much like mafia to me. Whereas two other people pointed this post out as 'extremely mafia', so much, that it was 'too much mafia'.

I saw it as a short nod of "ok, I've been wrong, look somewhere else", which indicates a slight town lean to me.

Also, for someone who accuses others to misrepresent you, you didn't really represent what I did say, but changed what I said. Like "I kinda liked that post, what is mafia about it?" to you asking "what's so impressive?" Which, come to think about it, was kinda my question towards food about it, kinda "what is so impressive that it is too mafia to be mafia" which he didn't answer as far as I've seen (though I'm a bit behind still).

Now, if you would be in my position, seeing someone who accuses others of misrepresenting their point but doing it themselves to others, what would you think?

Dude, please you are working too hard to justify the vote you already want to make. We already know where this is going.

Sorry if you felt misrepresented, I thought I was being accurate because you said you liked the post. Which meant to me that it left a positive impression on you. So I asked what was so impressive about it? When the post to me feels incredibly unimpressive in any regard.

I don't know where this is going. That's why I'm asking. I want to get to the truth, not trying to justify any opinion I've formed.

I do have to say that some reactions I see from you, I don't quite like. I do however also feel like kinda making a mistake. I don't know.

Also, from all the heat and reactions you see, how do you see the game? Like, I know you think brain is mafia, but how about the rest? Who do you think is mafia too? Who is town? You still have time to play for your team, and every bit counts. Any definite impressions you have?

[snowy801]

I like kaka today

[sweetandcool]

I never said it was impressive. I said this post doesn't seem much like mafia to me. Whereas two other people pointed this post out as 'extremely mafia', so much, that it was 'too much mafia'.

I saw it as a short nod of "ok, I've been wrong, look somewhere else", which indicates a slight town lean to me.

Also, for someone who accuses others to misrepresent you, you didn't really represent what I did say, but changed what I said. Like "I kinda liked that post, what is mafia about it?" to you asking "what's so impressive?" Which, come to think about it, was kinda my question towards food about it, kinda "what is so impressive that it is too mafia to be mafia" which he didn't answer as far as I've seen (though I'm a bit behind still).

Now, if you would be in my position, seeing someone who accuses others of misrepresenting their point but doing it themselves to others, what would you think?

Dude, please you are working too hard to justify the vote you already want to make. We already know where this is going.

Sorry if you felt misrepresented, I thought I was being accurate because you said you liked the post. Which meant to me that it left a positive impression on you. So I asked what was so impressive about it? When the post to me feels incredibly unimpressive in any regard.

I don't know where this is going. That's why I'm asking. I want to get to the truth, not trying to justify any opinion I've formed.

I do have to say that some reactions I see from you, I don't quite like. I do however also feel like kinda making a mistake. I don't know.

Also, from all the heat and reactions you see, how do you see the game? Like, I know you think brain is mafia, but how about the rest? Who do you think is mafia too? Who is town? You still have time to play for your team, and every bit counts. Any definite impressions you have?

I think we should be looking in the pool of {Balki, brainbomb, Darg, Will, and ghug}. I think early posters are likely to be Mafia due to prechat making them more likely to be online at game start.

I am a bit conflicted about Balki, but they made a post that I consider very Towny, so I think they are Town.

brainbomb is Mafia.

It's hard to assess Darg because he has been absent due to out of game reasons. But I think he is Mafia. I also think his vote on me is incredibly lazy, but again he has been absent so a lazy vote isn't all that surprising.

I think Will is town because of vibes.

I'm not sure about ghug but considering I think two of the players in the pool are Town, I think it would make sense for him to be Mafia.
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Outside of that pool, I think Dip is Mafia for reasons very recently described, which I assume you just read. I also think damo is Town for vibes reasons. And I think his wagon is suspiciously big.

[damo666]

Can as many people as possible be online at EOD please.

Current wagon status cannot remain.

a) I am neither Judge nor Angel
b) There are 2 other wagons currently with 4 votes, either of these could be MMA, at LEAST a 1 in 9 chance, probably more. Make one of these the DK (sweet imo) and reduce the votes on the other.

Do I really need to spell it out further?

[damo666]

I wouldn't object to a flashwagon on brain tbh.

@sweet I'm worried I have you wrong.

Dilemma.

[Kakarroto]

I'm torn with sweet. My normal urge to vote damo D1 isn't here. I think brain has changed too much for me to get a good read right now, I shouldn't have gotten mafia last game. I don't trust food. The voice for ghug is here again, although only very, very quiet. But it wasn't there the last games, even when I was town. I kinda don't like what I see from Will. ND isn't doing stuff. Balki was on my radar, went a bit better though. But the most who pinged me are Brian and Dargo.

I'mma gonna ##vote Dargorygel for now

[sweetandcool]

Voting damo D1 is so old and tired. Can't ya'll give it a rest for a couple of games? Jeez, lets just vote out the same people over and over again, sounds fun to me.

[sweetandcool]

Top three wagons are wretched.

I am practically always against voting brainbomb. But this game his alignment seems incredibly clear. I would love to be proven right and I would love to see a flashwagon to prove it.

[snowy801]

Let's go

##vote dargorygel

Also open to a dip or ND flash

[Chaqa]

I need more time to fully read the setup and Balki's plan.

I like voting Damo or ND today, though it looks like he's done with his weeaboo shit so maybe he can live.

[snowy801]

Top three wagons are wretched.

I am practically always against voting brainbomb. But this game his alignment seems incredibly clear. I would love to be proven right and I would love to see a flashwagon to prove it.

Unfortunately as one of the few mobile votes in this game I'm just not sold on brainbomb

[Chaqa]

Thanks snowy, that's really helpful.

Okay, so thoughts on Dip:

1. His long post on mechs is interesting because it probably took a lot of work to construct that post and I think effort does make Town alignment more likely.

2. He immediately decides that Chaqa is scum because Chaqa made the "nacho cop" joke. While it's plausible he didn't realize it was a joke, his reaction is over the top. Dip is not an idiot, but this reaction is pretty silly and seems incredibly disingenuous.

3. On page 30 he finally realized Chaqa was joking and acknowledges it.

4. Does some more mech talk that is much less impressive than his original post.

5. Finally on page 46 he finally moves off of Chaqa and onto No-Kill. Did he forget that Chaqa was joking?!?!

6. Sheeps onto sweetandcool wagon. And seems to also be randomly railing against Will, which I think is also a sheeping symptom. He sees some anti-Will sentiment and exploits it.
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Some of this was probably posted in bias, but I specifically think his reaction towards Chaqa's joke is very compelling evidence that he is Mafia.

I wanted to bump this post as I think it's very reasonable.

[damo666]

Top three wagons are wretched.

I am practically always against voting brainbomb. But this game his alignment seems incredibly clear. I would love to be proven right and I would love to see a flashwagon to prove it.

##vote brain

[snowy801]

geeeez there's alot of new pages

I really don't have much to add other than Fidelis and his vote was fairly sus. Lots of discussion about mechanics which is fairly pointless and useless (but gives people a chance to hide post count in mechanical discussion) and I need to check to see if anyone responded to my earlier posts uwu

Looks like about an hour until deadline? My preference would be no-kill or fidelis thu.

kinda weird chaqa
this was his last post