Mafia 87: Madness in Mega-City One - GAME THREAD

[sweetandcool]

I kinda liked that post, like it seems to me that d&w got more info about chaqa and reevaluated. What about it is so mafia-esque?

Man, I was briefly tempted to actually go back and try to convince you why Dip is scum. But first, I can't ISO them and I also really don't want to waste more time on a lost cause of a game.

I think Dip is Mafia because their play so far aligns with how I've seen them play as Mafia previously. I think I've seen a couple of posts that were unhelpful sheeping, and a couple posts that look like a lot of "work" but are largely pointless.

What's so impressive about this post? They just acknowledge all the people telling them that Chaqa was joking. Pretty sure they could have just moved onto their next suspect, which I'm pretty sure they've already expressed a strong desire on one or maybe two people, instead of just moving to No-Kill.

I never said it was impressive. I said this post doesn't seem much like mafia to me. Whereas two other people pointed this post out as 'extremely mafia', so much, that it was 'too much mafia'.

I saw it as a short nod of "ok, I've been wrong, look somewhere else", which indicates a slight town lean to me.

Also, for someone who accuses others to misrepresent you, you didn't really represent what I did say, but changed what I said. Like "I kinda liked that post, what is mafia about it?" to you asking "what's so impressive?" Which, come to think about it, was kinda my question towards food about it, kinda "what is so impressive that it is too mafia to be mafia" which he didn't answer as far as I've seen (though I'm a bit behind still).

Now, if you would be in my position, seeing someone who accuses others of misrepresenting their point but doing it themselves to others, what would you think?

Dude, please you are working too hard to justify the vote you already want to make. We already know where this is going.

Sorry if you felt misrepresented, I thought I was being accurate because you said you liked the post. Which meant to me that it left a positive impression on you. So I asked what was so impressive about it? When the post to me feels incredibly unimpressive in any regard.

[ND]

geeeez there's alot of new pages

I really don't have much to add other than Fidelis and his vote was fairly sus. Lots of discussion about mechanics which is fairly pointless and useless (but gives people a chance to hide post count in mechanical discussion) and I need to check to see if anyone responded to my earlier posts uwu

Looks like about an hour until deadline? My preference would be no-kill or fidelis thu.

[Kakarroto]

Quick darg! Read on brain!

I've held this quote back since I wanted to see if darg reacts to that, which he didn't, or at least I haven't seen it, but he did post more reactions and also had a conversation with brain, so

@darg, what is your read on brain right now?

Are you insinuating anything here?

I want darg to answer this, and him refusing to do so even if he had ample chances does give me bad bad vibes

are you not interested in what he has to say about that, especially since he seems to be the only player who has a 100% maf tell (at least as far as I know)?

[Balki Bartokomous]

HYPOTHETICAL COP REVEAL PLAN
Putting it here in one place, because I want this settled going into night phase.

ALL TOWN AT END OF NIGHT
Please disclose an actual visit target (if you are a PR) or a fake visit target (if you are not a PR) as close to EOD as possible. We’re talking about the very last minute, so it will not impact scum night actions. If you cannot be around in the last, say 10 minutes of the night phase, then maybe just skip the EON post, and tell us who you visited after day start. We’d prefer to have an EON post to help us catch Judge Fear if and when he pops someone.

You can word your claim something like this: “If I were Cop, I’d visit X.”

ALL TOWN AT START OF DAY

You can word your claim something like this: “If I were Cop, I would have visited X and returned TRUE/FALSE.”

If You Were Role Blocked
Tell the thread you were Role Blocked, whether or not you are a PR. Obviously in this case, you have no scan to report, real or fake.

If you have a VT or Doctor PM, this is what you do:
Reveal a random result of your scan. Either result is fine. We are not going to pay attention to the results until you flip or until PRs are out in the open.

If you have a Generic Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is INNOCENT, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is GUILTY, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
Addictive Cop: a True scan likely found town, and a guilty scan likely found scum (but see possible manipulations of Doctor and other)
Macho Cop: a True scan likely found town and a guilty scan likely found scum (but see possible manipulation from PA Angel)
Naïve Cop: a True scan means only that PA Angel didn’t visit. A False scan means only that PA Angel did visit. Says nothing about target.

If you have a Methodical Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is INNOCENT, say scan is FALSE
If your scan is GUILTY, say scan is TRUE
NOTE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN GHUG’S PLAN
Meaning for later:
A True scan most likely found scum (only exception is PA Angel visit), and a False scan most likely found Town.

If you have a Parity Cop PM, this is what you do:
On the first night, tell us your real target, but provide a random result (TRUE OR FALSE, doesn’t matter). On the second night, and on all subsequent nights, if your scan is SAME, say scan is TRUE. If your scan is NOT SAME, say scan is FALSE.

If you have a Vanilla Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is VANILLA, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is NOT VANILLA, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
A True scan most likely found a Vanilla Town. A True scan could also possibly be on Junior Angel, if Junior Angel is in the game, or could be the result of PA Angel visit. False most likely means not Vanilla Town and not Junior Angel.

If you have an SJS Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is Cop, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is NOT COP, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
A True scan found a Cop or Judge, absent Angel visit. A False scan found an Angel, absent PA Angel visit.

If you have a Psychic Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is DARK, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is NOT DARK, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
a True scan likely found a Judge, absent visit from PA Angel. False scan means target is not a Judge, absent PA Angel visit.

People who have signed off so far:
(I'm sure there are others, but these are the one's I recall)
1. Balki
2. ghug
3. dargotygel
4. foodcoats
5. Diplomacy&Warfare
6. JustAGuyNamedWill
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.

[ghug]

Unpopular opinion: I refuse to D1 sweet again after it’s happened like 3 times in recent games.

This is definitely a factor in my voting.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Note: the one change I made to the ghug corollary was to reverse the code for the Methodical Cop. So now Innocent reports False and Guilty reports True. The reason to do this is just to make it a bit harder for scum to interpret any of these results (and fake results) until after there is a flip or a hard PR claim. I don't want scum to have a helpful way of narrowing down Cops and Not Cops.

[brainbomb]

HYPOTHETICAL COP REVEAL PLAN
Putting it here in one place, because I want this settled going into night phase.

ALL TOWN AT END OF NIGHT
Please disclose an actual visit target (if you are a PR) or a fake visit target (if you are not a PR) as close to EOD as possible. We’re talking about the very last minute, so it will not impact scum night actions. If you cannot be around in the last, say 10 minutes of the night phase, then maybe just skip the EON post, and tell us who you visited after day start. We’d prefer to have an EON post to help us catch Judge Fear if and when he pops someone.

You can word your claim something like this: “If I were Cop, I’d visit X.”

ALL TOWN AT START OF DAY

You can word your claim something like this: “If I were Cop, I would have visited X and returned TRUE/FALSE.”

If You Were Role Blocked
Tell the thread you were Role Blocked, whether or not you are a PR. Obviously in this case, you have no scan to report, real or fake.

If you have a VT or Doctor PM, this is what you do:
Reveal a random result of your scan. Either result is fine. We are not going to pay attention to the results until you flip or until PRs are out in the open.

If you have a Generic Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is INNOCENT, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is GUILTY, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
Addictive Cop: a True scan likely found town, and a guilty scan likely found scum (but see possible manipulations of Doctor and other)
Macho Cop: a True scan likely found town and a guilty scan likely found scum (but see possible manipulation from PA Angel)
Naïve Cop: a True scan means only that PA Angel didn’t visit. A False scan means only that PA Angel did visit. Says nothing about target.

If you have a Methodical Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is INNOCENT, say scan is FALSE
If your scan is GUILTY, say scan is TRUE
NOTE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN GHUG’S PLAN
Meaning for later:
A True scan most likely found scum (only exception is PA Angel visit), and a False scan most likely found Town.

If you have a Parity Cop PM, this is what you do:
On the first night, tell us your real target, but provide a random result (TRUE OR FALSE, doesn’t matter). On the second night, and on all subsequent nights, if your scan is SAME, say scan is TRUE. If your scan is NOT SAME, say scan is FALSE.

If you have a Vanilla Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is VANILLA, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is NOT VANILLA, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
A True scan most likely found a Vanilla Town. A True scan could also possibly be on Junior Angel, if Junior Angel is in the game, or could be the result of PA Angel visit. False most likely means not Vanilla Town and not Junior Angel.

If you have an SJS Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is Cop, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is NOT COP, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
A True scan found a Cop or Judge, absent Angel visit. A False scan found an Angel, absent PA Angel visit.

If you have a Psychic Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is DARK, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is NOT DARK, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
a True scan likely found a Judge, absent visit from PA Angel. False scan means target is not a Judge, absent PA Angel visit.

People who have signed off so far:
(I'm sure there are others, but these are the one's I recall)
1. Balki
2. ghug
3. dargotygel
4. foodcoats
5. Diplomacy&Warfare
6. JustAGuyNamedWill
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.

fine with this. will participate

[sweetandcool]

Balki, I decided earlier that I am okay with your plan.

[ghug]

I'm fine with Balki's alteration and the plan overall.

[ghug]

But also, let's do this at night instead of with an hour left?

[brainbomb]

as if you needed a system to convince me to claim some thing

[Balki Bartokomous]

I gotta run. I feel solid on my Sweet vote, and I'm not too bothered by a Damo flip either.

Make good choices!

[kingofthepirates]

Well, almost EOD (end of day, I assume?), and yeah, quite a few new pages! Also seems consistent has generally pivoted to damo. As much as I am reluctant to vote given what little information we have, I’ll follow through with my previous idea (voting with majority) and play it safe by avoiding giving more power to MMA: ##VOTE damo

[Balki Bartokomous]

But also, let's do this at night instead of with an hour left?

I know...I'm just going to be away and wanted commitments from folks who may not be around much at night. Anyway....have fun!

[Kakarroto]

In which post is he there twice

This is your post on page 29 (no double sweet)

Okay so

Town

kingofthepirates
foodcoats
sweetandcool
ghug
Hamilton Brian
ND
rdrivera2005
snowy801
Chaqa
Vecna
Kakarroto
DrFidelis
worcej
dargorygel
Diplomacy&Warfare
Balki Bartokomous
brainbomb
damo666

Mafia

I can elaborate on whomever. Except Vecna and kak for obvious reasons

This is your post page 37 (double sweet)

Town

kingofthepirates
foodcoats
sweetandcool
ghug
Hamilton Brian
ND
rdrivera2005
snowy801
Chaqa
Vecna
Kakarroto
DrFidelis
worcej
dargorygel
Diplomacy&Warfare
damo666
brainbomb
Sweet
Balki Bartokomous

Mafia

also, it seems you haven't seen my previous questions, or ignored them, but:

-) Why is the 'mistake' you pointed out yourself inbetween both posts, of DrFidelis being inbetween three non-postsers, not corrected?

-) What method did you use to put the three non-posters in that order?

[Kakarroto]

And this is the post I meant which you pointed your 'mistake' out.

Okay so

Town

kingofthepirates
foodcoats
sweetandcool
ghug
Hamilton Brian
ND
rdrivera2005
snowy801
Chaqa
Vecna
Kakarroto
DrFidelis
worcej
dargorygel
Diplomacy&Warfare
Balki Bartokomous
brainbomb
damo666

Mafia

I can elaborate on whomever. Except Vecna and kak for obvious reasons

you can elaborate on worcej?

Oops I meant to put kak/vec/worc all together but I guess I accidentally put Fidelis above worc instead of below

[ghug]

Well, almost EOD (end of day, I assume?), and yeah, quite a few new pages! Also seems consistent has generally pivoted to damo. As much as I am reluctant to vote given what little information we have, I’ll follow through with my previous idea (voting with majority) and play it safe by avoiding giving more power to MMA: ##VOTE damo
[/quote

Don't do this with so much time left. Your vote is one of the biggest tools others can use to read you. If you're just going with consensus, it looks like you're avoiding committing to an opinion. Put your own ideas out there and then consolidate and the end if you want to.

##VOTE Balki
This shit is stale

[kingofthepirates]

HYPOTHETICAL COP REVEAL PLAN
Putting it here in one place, because I want this settled going into night phase.

ALL TOWN AT END OF NIGHT
Please disclose an actual visit target (if you are a PR) or a fake visit target (if you are not a PR) as close to EOD as possible. We’re talking about the very last minute, so it will not impact scum night actions. If you cannot be around in the last, say 10 minutes of the night phase, then maybe just skip the EON post, and tell us who you visited after day start. We’d prefer to have an EON post to help us catch Judge Fear if and when he pops someone.

You can word your claim something like this: “If I were Cop, I’d visit X.”

ALL TOWN AT START OF DAY

You can word your claim something like this: “If I were Cop, I would have visited X and returned TRUE/FALSE.”

If You Were Role Blocked
Tell the thread you were Role Blocked, whether or not you are a PR. Obviously in this case, you have no scan to report, real or fake.

If you have a VT or Doctor PM, this is what you do:
Reveal a random result of your scan. Either result is fine. We are not going to pay attention to the results until you flip or until PRs are out in the open.

If you have a Generic Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is INNOCENT, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is GUILTY, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
Addictive Cop: a True scan likely found town, and a guilty scan likely found scum (but see possible manipulations of Doctor and other)
Macho Cop: a True scan likely found town and a guilty scan likely found scum (but see possible manipulation from PA Angel)
Naïve Cop: a True scan means only that PA Angel didn’t visit. A False scan means only that PA Angel did visit. Says nothing about target.

If you have a Methodical Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is INNOCENT, say scan is FALSE
If your scan is GUILTY, say scan is TRUE
NOTE THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN GHUG’S PLAN
Meaning for later:
A True scan most likely found scum (only exception is PA Angel visit), and a False scan most likely found Town.

If you have a Parity Cop PM, this is what you do:
On the first night, tell us your real target, but provide a random result (TRUE OR FALSE, doesn’t matter). On the second night, and on all subsequent nights, if your scan is SAME, say scan is TRUE. If your scan is NOT SAME, say scan is FALSE.

If you have a Vanilla Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is VANILLA, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is NOT VANILLA, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
A True scan most likely found a Vanilla Town. A True scan could also possibly be on Junior Angel, if Junior Angel is in the game, or could be the result of PA Angel visit. False most likely means not Vanilla Town and not Junior Angel.

If you have an SJS Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is Cop, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is NOT COP, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
A True scan found a Cop or Judge, absent Angel visit. A False scan found an Angel, absent PA Angel visit.

If you have a Psychic Cop PM, this is what you do:
If your scan is DARK, say scan is TRUE
If your scan is NOT DARK, say scan is FALSE
Meaning for later:
a True scan likely found a Judge, absent visit from PA Angel. False scan means target is not a Judge, absent PA Angel visit.

People who have signed off so far:
(I'm sure there are others, but these are the one's I recall)
1. Balki
2. ghug
3. dargotygel
4. foodcoats
5. Diplomacy&Warfare
6. JustAGuyNamedWill
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16.
17.
18.

I’ll sign off on this.

[snowy801]

I am here
ghug start a flash wagon please

[ghug]

Well, almost EOD (end of day, I assume?), and yeah, quite a few new pages! Also seems consistent has generally pivoted to damo. As much as I am reluctant to vote given what little information we have, I’ll follow through with my previous idea (voting with majority) and play it safe by avoiding giving more power to MMA: ##VOTE damo

Don't do this with so much time left. Your vote is one of the biggest tools others can use to read you. If you're just going with consensus, it looks like you're avoiding committing to an opinion. Put your own ideas out there and then consolidate and the end if you want to.

##VOTE Balki
This shit is stale

Fixed