M1023: Mafarmia [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[bozotheclown]

i don't follow

Even if the mafia think I am a good mis-kill candidate, I would expect 1 scum to try to pocket me instead.

in theory yes, in practice, does that make sense for the scumteam you've outlined?

It does if you and damo are town.

[Bonatogether]

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, bo_sox, Chaqa, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
lfischl: heartthrob, Bonatogether, bozo, damo
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: (bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej)

damo: 6
bozo: 5
worcej: 5
Bonatogether: 4
Chaqa: 4
bo_sox: 3
heartthrob: 2
Kakarroto: 2
lfischl: 2

posted already that i townread bo

[bozotheclown]

N1 dog checks:

bozo: ghug
Chaqa: bozo
Bonatogether: no check
heartthrob: damo
lfischl: Kakarroto
Kakarroto: refuses to participate
bo_sox: rdrivera
celaph: no check
worcej: Chaqa
rdrivera: refuses to participate
damo: worcej

N2 dog checks:

worcej: bozo
Bonatogether: no check
lfischl: worcej
Chaqa: rdrivera
bozo: worcej
bo_sox: damo
damo: bozo
heartthrob: Kakarroto
Kakarroto: refuses to participate

Bona:
Bozo: Chaqa1 worcej2 damo2
Bo:
celaph: x
Chaqa: worcej1
damo: heart1 bo2
ghug: Bozo1
heart:
Kak: lfischl1 heart2
lfischl:
rdr: bo1 Chaqa2
worcej: damo1 lfischl2 bozo2


Bold indicates voted for check subsequent to result.

Bozo is non-dog or Chaqa is scum
damo is non-dog or bo is scum

Beginning to see why the survey could be dangerous.

why on earth would you post that line of reasoning

The information is there for the mafia, but it is more helpful to town. I do not think damo is giving anything away by stating the conclusions.

[Bonatogether]

Even if the mafia think I am a good mis-kill candidate, I would expect 1 scum to try to pocket me instead.

in theory yes, in practice, does that make sense for the scumteam you've outlined?

It does if you and damo are town.

im confused- i'm in your scumreads, so you can't make assumptions based on it i'm town to explain things

[Bonatogether]

Bona:
Bozo: Chaqa1 worcej2 damo2
Bo:
celaph: x
Chaqa: worcej1
damo: heart1 bo2
ghug: Bozo1
heart:
Kak: lfischl1 heart2
lfischl:
rdr: bo1 Chaqa2
worcej: damo1 lfischl2 bozo2


Bold indicates voted for check subsequent to result.

Bozo is non-dog or Chaqa is scum
damo is non-dog or bo is scum

Beginning to see why the survey could be dangerous.

why on earth would you post that line of reasoning

The information is there for the mafia, but it is more helpful to town. I do not think damo is giving anything away by stating the conclusions.

he kind of is - it's non-intuitive (at least i had to spend a fair amount of time thinking about it), and i would not have worked it out if he hadn't said it. giving the answer absolutely does help scum

[bozotheclown]

in theory yes, in practice, does that make sense for the scumteam you've outlined?

It does if you and damo are town.

im confused- i'm in your scumreads, so you can't make assumptions based on it i'm town to explain things

At least one in my scum pool of 4 is town, I am speculating that you may be town and someone else, like bo_sox, is not.

[bozotheclown]

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, bo_sox, Chaqa, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
lfischl: heartthrob, Bonatogether, bozo, damo
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: (bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej)

damo: 6
bozo: 5
worcej: 5
Bonatogether: 4
Chaqa: 4
bo_sox: 3
heartthrob: 2
Kakarroto: 2
lfischl: 2

posted already that i townread bo

You posted that you town read me, which I assumed was a mistake.

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, bo_sox, Chaqa, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
lfischl: heartthrob, Bonatogether, bozo, damo
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: (bozo, damo, worcej)

damo: 6
bozo: 5
worcej: 5
Bonatogether: 4
Chaqa: 4
bo_sox: 2
heartthrob: 2
Kakarroto: 2
lfischl: 2

[bozotheclown]

why on earth would you post that line of reasoning

The information is there for the mafia, but it is more helpful to town. I do not think damo is giving anything away by stating the conclusions.

he kind of is - it's non-intuitive (at least i had to spend a fair amount of time thinking about it), and i would not have worked it out if he hadn't said it. giving the answer absolutely does help scum

I think at least 1 of the 3 mafia would have worked it out on their own, if damo is town, and as I said, identifying conditional scum does not help the mafia much.

[Bonatogether]

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, bo_sox, Chaqa, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
lfischl: heartthrob, Bonatogether, bozo, damo
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: (bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej)

damo: 6
bozo: 5
worcej: 5
Bonatogether: 4
Chaqa: 4
bo_sox: 3
heartthrob: 2
Kakarroto: 2
lfischl: 2

posted already that i townread bo

You posted that you town read me, which I assumed was a mistake.

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, bo_sox, Chaqa, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
lfischl: heartthrob, Bonatogether, bozo, damo
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: (bozo, damo, worcej)

damo: 6
bozo: 5
worcej: 5
Bonatogether: 4
Chaqa: 4
bo_sox: 2
heartthrob: 2
Kakarroto: 2
lfischl: 2

can you just delete my entry

that is not an apt understanding of where i'm at

[bozotheclown]

posted already that i townread bo

You posted that you town read me, which I assumed was a mistake.

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, bo_sox, Chaqa, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
lfischl: heartthrob, Bonatogether, bozo, damo
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: (bozo, damo, worcej)

damo: 6
bozo: 5
worcej: 5
Bonatogether: 4
Chaqa: 4
bo_sox: 2
heartthrob: 2
Kakarroto: 2
lfischl: 2

can you just delete my entry

that is not an apt understanding of where i'm at

What is your current thinking on the best scum candidates?

[Bonatogether]

The information is there for the mafia, but it is more helpful to town. I do not think damo is giving anything away by stating the conclusions.

he kind of is - it's non-intuitive (at least i had to spend a fair amount of time thinking about it), and i would not have worked it out if he hadn't said it. giving the answer absolutely does help scum

I think at least 1 of the 3 mafia would have worked it out on their own, if damo is town, and as I said, identifying conditional scum does not help the mafia much.

it does because it gives them people who are not doc for free, if they haven't found him already

[bozotheclown]

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, bo_sox, Chaqa, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
lfischl: heartthrob, Bonatogether, bozo, damo
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: ?

damo: 5
Bonatogether: 4
bozo: 4
Chaqa: 4
worcej: 4
bo_sox: 2
heartthrob: 2
Kakarroto: 2
lfischl: 2

[Bonatogether]

You posted that you town read me, which I assumed was a mistake.

scum pool (up to 4):

bozo: Bonatogether, bo_sox, Chaqa, Kakarroto
Chaqa: bo_sox, bozo, damo, worcej
damo: Chaqa, lfischl, Bonatogether, bozo
bo_sox: damo, worcej, lfischl
worcej: Bonatogether, Kakarroto, damo, heartthrob
lfischl: heartthrob, Bonatogether, bozo, damo
heartthrob: (Chaqa, damo, worcej)
Kakarroto: (worcej, bozo, Chaqa, damo)
Bonatogether: (bozo, damo, worcej)

damo: 6
bozo: 5
worcej: 5
Bonatogether: 4
Chaqa: 4
bo_sox: 2
heartthrob: 2
Kakarroto: 2
lfischl: 2

can you just delete my entry

that is not an apt understanding of where i'm at

What is your current thinking on the best scum candidates?

everything i've put in thread had been my thoughts, but some individual candidates make other people possible to be scum, and others rule those people out. i have no pool of 4 where i believe i can find 3 scum

[bozotheclown]

he kind of is - it's non-intuitive (at least i had to spend a fair amount of time thinking about it), and i would not have worked it out if he hadn't said it. giving the answer absolutely does help scum

I think at least 1 of the 3 mafia would have worked it out on their own, if damo is town, and as I said, identifying conditional scum does not help the mafia much.

it does because it gives them people who are not doc for free, if they haven't found him already

I do not think it rules anyone out as the doctor who the mafia have not scanned.

[bozotheclown]

can you just delete my entry

that is not an apt understanding of where i'm at

What is your current thinking on the best scum candidates?

everything i've put in thread had been my thoughts, but some individual candidates make other people possible to be scum, and others rule those people out. i have no pool of 4 where i believe i can find 3 scum

You should be able to use those connections to find 3 that fit though, if your assumptions about those connections are correct.

[Bonatogether]

I think at least 1 of the 3 mafia would have worked it out on their own, if damo is town, and as I said, identifying conditional scum does not help the mafia much.

it does because it gives them people who are not doc for free, if they haven't found him already

I do not think it rules anyone out as the doctor who the mafia have not scanned.

we don't know who the mafia have scanned

[bozotheclown]

it does because it gives them people who are not doc for free, if they haven't found him already

I do not think it rules anyone out as the doctor who the mafia have not scanned.

we don't know who the mafia have scanned

Yes, but what damo is pointing out are votes that would prove a player to be mafia if they the player voted turned out to be the dog. If the mafia already know the identity of the dog, they will not be making those votes.

What damo is pointing out also shows how the survey would be more useful if everyone had participated.

[Bonatogether]

What is your current thinking on the best scum candidates?

everything i've put in thread had been my thoughts, but some individual candidates make other people possible to be scum, and others rule those people out. i have no pool of 4 where i believe i can find 3 scum

You should be able to use those connections to find 3 that fit though, if your assumptions about those connections are correct.

this game isn't a logic puzzle that just requires the creation of links between people

[Bonatogether]

I do not think it rules anyone out as the doctor who the mafia have not scanned.

we don't know who the mafia have scanned

Yes, but what damo is pointing out are votes that would prove a player to be mafia if they the player voted turned out to be the dog. If the mafia already know the identity of the dog, they will not be making those votes.

What damo is pointing out also shows how the survey would be more useful if everyone had participated.

i don't believe that it necessarily follows that people who reflexively and instantly change their reads to avoid voting, as that would signal the pr

if you're correct in this assumption, then we've suddenly eliminated multiple pr candidates

[Chaqa]

Instead of being self righteous enough to think your vote is going to matter any differently if you make it with 20 minutes to go, you could force him and his teammates to react to your vote putting him in the lead with half a day until the deadline and potentially expose him more convincingly. You’re just leaving the door open for a teammate that might be bussing him right now, as Bona, for example, is apt to do, to quietly hop off and lose the momentum his wagon has knowing that if he stays on until you are ready to go he’ll be in a more difficult spot.

Likewise, I know your vote on damo is completely meaningless and don’t really feel like pushing a wagon driven into the lead by someone who is openly uncommitted to it so I’m just going to ##VOTE worcej since he’s my second choice and that’s where you’re evidently going to end up anyway.

Counterpoint, if he is town, what you're doing here could be seen as scum reacting to my play anyway.