Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

Let's assume, at the end of day TrPrado still has his vote on Unvote. Will he be modkilled?

He would be replaced, if at all possible.

And the vote?

What happens if he doesn't get replaced? (seeing as our two subs are unlikely to step in since both have proclaimed they won't play due to reasons)

If he cannot be replaced he will be modkilled. I am sure he will vote, however, so hopefully there will be no problem.

I don't understand your question about the vote.

[TrPrado]

##CALL GM

Let's assume, at the end of day TrPrado still has his vote on Unvote. Will he be modkilled?

What makes you think I'm not gonna vote?

[EspressoPatronum]

balki says some bs about me playing "safe" and you've bandwaggoned it like nothing else.

what about this playstyle is safe? lmao - i like that you're scum reading me but this safe stuff is nonsense

What's not safe about it?

Hmm, you've offered no reads. All of your posts are high volume, low content. And all of votes have been for policy lynches - they're safe because no one will question a policy lynch's motive.

They might be safe votes, but many ppl on here question policy lynches.

[ChippeRock]

##CALL GM

Let's assume, at the end of day TrPrado still has his vote on Unvote. Will he be modkilled?

What makes you think I'm not gonna vote?

Nothing, but I'd rather not waste my vote on somebody who's going to get modkilled and revealed as scum anyways.

[Durga]

i'm starting to doubt my town read on chippe

[EspressoPatronum]

foxy why are you buddying me when you aren't even voting MF

Him agreeing with you is hardly buddying. He brought up a pro-policy lynch argument pretty early in the discussion. Can't point you to it directly rn because I'm on mobile

[ChippeRock]

balki says some bs about me playing "safe" and you've bandwaggoned it like nothing else.

what about this playstyle is safe? lmao - i like that you're scum reading me but this safe stuff is nonsense

What's not safe about it?

Hmm, you've offered no reads. All of your posts are high volume, low content. And all of votes have been for policy lynches - they're safe because no one will question a policy lynch's motive.

They might be safe votes, but many ppl on here question policy lynches.

Yes, but not the motives behind those votes! Nobody here is accusing Durga of being potentially scum (save for me) right? Exactly, if anybody simply voted for policy kills the whole first day - it's very unlikely they would get lynched, much less get more than 2 votes against them.

[teacon7]

About to head off for work, may or may not be able to sneak off for EoD. My vote on Tom is not doing anything.

I agree that in a game this size you have to cut down on lurkers and people that will be just as unreadable later as now.

##vote MoscowFleet

Also willing to vote Bozo

Look, as I explained here, this is completely out of character for him. I believe him when he states he's not deliberately lurking. Voting for a lurker is just a spin of the roulette wheel - vote for someone you've actually got a read on.

Are D1 lynches on maf >random? Just wondering if there's any evidence to show that voting based on a scum hunt is better than random. If it is >random, to what degree is it better? I wouldn't be surprised if D1 lynches on scum are either (a) close to random or (b) not that much better than random. In either case, getting rid of liabilities early can pay dividends later in the game.

The reason I'm bringing this up is bcz the webdip meta seems to be pretty against policy lynches. A lot of the IRL groups I've played with employed a policy lynch strategy + it seemed to work out pretty well.

D1 on just useful for catching a mad d1. It generates all sorts of information. For examine, rn Moscow flipping scum will say something about Chippe. Not definitively, but something.

Policy lynches are a decent idea, but it depends greatly on the policy. Is your policy to lynch lurkers on no other info? Or to lynch low-posters who have little commitment? It to Lynch people who try to control the flow of conversation? Maybe "policy" isn't the right word, but everyone had an algorithm they use to look for scum, and they tend to end with their vote on someone whose behavior fits. I generally don't vote that way, but i'd love to keep taking about a policy lynch though...

[teacon7]

I'm in a phone, so here's a short list of reads for posterity and input. These are as of posting on d1. I'm getting in a plane soon for planned travel... See my post about this in the signing thread.

Fox - slight scum vibe. I've not seen him play before. The attack posture in this game seems inconsistent with the quality and politeness of his flavor that's I've seen him use as gm.

Prado - scum vibe + town tells = WASH. His walls of text. he's got walls of text which seem like a town tonight to do. That's a lot of work for scum. Otoh, it's a start to hide behind walls of text. TBH, I'm getting a school vibe because he's not tunneling. Haha.

Cruaader - newbie scum. Scared to talk. Still jokes about vote errors like he's in the know. Could be directed to n00btell by the secretary. Compare to other newbies and he's got a few more marks against him so "new" isn't a total defense. My vote for him was both a scumlean and pressure. (Someone: Look into why Moscow started getting attention right on the helps of cru...)

Moscow and xorx BOTH mentioned last game to me, scumread me, then for the most part vanished. I find this weird. I guess in made an impression. Why mention it to me now when you could have mentioned it post game last game? Sligyt scumleans both.

IDK how Tom is supposed to act. The case against him is one I'll look into when I have time. It strikes me that Meta on participation is a bad metric for a game this size, though behavior and kind of participation is.

Townlean on Carl. He seemed like a good balance of hunting and observation and pushing, and his tone seems more reasonable. I don't agree with everything he's said but the feeling is a townlean.

I'm not really town reading anytime else rn, though I wouldn't lynch chippe for a while.

Squids and balki are hunting aggressively. My gut says to townlean them both for it. But without like... Parsing everything they say, that's just an impression and but a strong read. I'll have to read more to get a better understanding.

A couple thoughts before I go:
Tunneling is town's worst enemy.
Lurking is bad, but that's only if the high posters tunnel and let them slide. Policy shouldn't be against lurking wrt post county, but lurking wrt low engagement/commitment.

My plane is boarding now so I'm out. See you in California.

[Durga]

nothing is changing, we're probably mostly on townies

[EspressoPatronum]

Policy lynches are a decent idea, but it depends greatly on the policy. Is your policy to lynch lurkers on no other info? Or to lynch low-posters who have little commitment? It to Lynch people who try to control the flow of conversation? Maybe "policy" isn't the right word, but everyone had an algorithm they use to look for scum, and they tend to end with their vote on someone whose behavior fits. I generally don't vote that way, but i'd love to keep taking about a policy lynch though...

Same. Gotta head back from lunch soon, so we'll have to table the discussion for later.

In the mean time, if you were to vote on policy, what would your algorithm be? I discussed mine a bit in m1007, but I can't recall yours.

[Balki Bartokomous]

nothing is changing, we're probably mostly on townies

I have this same sinking feeling.

Here is my lynch pool:

Flavius, TrPrado, Foxy Knoxy

I feel a little better about teacon. Tom is weird but NAI and we should give him another day.

Thoughts?

[Tom Bombadil]

Hmmmmm


##vote Flavius

[Tom Bombadil]

I’ve liked foxys posts a bit more today upon reflection. The earlier interaction still bothers me, but I’m willing to put less stock in it for the time being

[Carl Tuckerson]

i probably can't properly read anyone in this game because everyone is scum hunting - 3rd party is scum hunting mafia and mafia is scum hunting 3rd party.

damn it i hate 3rd parties

This is a really weak excuse.

@all: What the fuck are you doing? How did Flavius end up in the lead?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I’m looking at the wagons to see what company Is like to keep and I generally like none of them.

Part of me wants to just sheep Carl, who has produced pretty solid insight all day, but I’m not going to lynch Durga today.

@Carl, what’s your top 3 and why?

[Carl Tuckerson]

You're seriously telling me that someone who is so AFK he might as well not be in the game, and two people who have been floating around doing nothing, just get to swoop in and lynch one of my town reads?

Why does anybody think Flavius is mafia at this point?

[Durga]

i probably can't properly read anyone in this game because everyone is scum hunting - 3rd party is scum hunting mafia and mafia is scum hunting 3rd party.

damn it i hate 3rd parties

This is a really weak excuse.

@all: What the fuck are you doing? How did Flavius end up in the lead?

okay? its not an "excuse" it's explaining why i'm struggling with reading this game

[ChippeRock]

i probably can't properly read anyone in this game because everyone is scum hunting - 3rd party is scum hunting mafia and mafia is scum hunting 3rd party.

damn it i hate 3rd parties

This is a really weak excuse.

@all: What the fuck are you doing? How did Flavius end up in the lead?

Agreed. If, with 1 hour to go in the day, Flav is still in the lead, and the wagon on TrPrado hasn't grown, I'll vote for somebody more likely to be scum who has a chance of getting lynched.

[Balki Bartokomous]

i probably can't properly read anyone in this game because everyone is scum hunting - 3rd party is scum hunting mafia and mafia is scum hunting 3rd party.

damn it i hate 3rd parties

This is a really weak excuse.

@all: What the fuck are you doing? How did Flavius end up in the lead?

Whoa. What’s the town case on Flavius?

I found him nervous under pressure early in the game, and he hasn’t moved the needle since. I don’t like how stagnant the votes have been, but that is a tough thing to gauge in a game this size, this early.