M1019 – Once Upon A Time… [GAME THREAD] [HIDDEN]

[rdrivera2005]

It really is very simple.

Kak is scum.

There are 5 players left who know this to be true.

Work it out.

If I am understanding you well, maybe you are wrong. Kak didn't said you didn't visit anyone.

[Jamiet99uk]

OK Sabi you can join my towncore

That's something I agree, Sabi is very likely town.

Doom could be scum, her reaction looks like scum caught for the wrong reason

Ghug I can't sort even if my life depends on it.

Durga didn't vote me yet, so she is probably scum. But I am still alive, so null.

I think TFB is town, his post about Tracker cc and how town should play had a towny approach.

The others are just meh (and now Jamiet will be enraged).

AAAARRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!
I AM SO ANGRY!!!
FUH FUH FUH
111!!111!!!111

[damo666]

It really is very simple.

Kak is scum.

There are 5 players left who know this to be true.

Work it out.

If I am understanding you well, maybe you are wrong. Kak didn't said you didn't visit anyone.

He explicitly said I didn't visit snowy but I did. So kak is lying so kak is scum. why would tracker kak lie?

[damo666]

OK Sabi you can join my towncore

That's something I agree, Sabi is very likely town.

Doom could be scum, her reaction looks like scum caught for the wrong reason

Ghug I can't sort even if my life depends on it.

Durga didn't vote me yet, so she is probably scum. But I am still alive, so null.

I think TFB is town, his post about Tracker cc and how town should play had a towny approach.

The others are just meh (and now Jamiet will be enraged).

AAAARRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!!!!
I AM SO ANGRY!!!
FUH FUH FUH
111!!111!!!111

As ghug would say

Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaake

[rdrivera2005]

Ok

I TARGETED SNOWY.

I guess that's my game over but hopefully my team will go on to victory.

Last game killed N1, this game killed N2. Frustrating.

Well, I also think you could have waited a bit, but with so few miskills I understand your need to claim today.

##vote Kakarroto

[rdrivera2005]

It really is very simple.

Kak is scum.

There are 5 players left who know this to be true.

Work it out.

If I am understanding you well, maybe you are wrong. Kak didn't said you didn't visit anyone.

He explicitly said I didn't visit snowy but I did. So kak is lying so kak is scum. why would tracker kak lie?

I was afraid you understood he said you didn't visit. Anyway, his claim is far more suspect then yours.

[rdrivera2005]

I don't know what to think about Doom and Durga voting you.

Doom can be scum defending a fellow scum, but Durga knows better.

[Doom427]

Ok, if we kill Scum!Kak today, damo dies. This is bad.

If you think Kak is scum, you SHOULD NOT VOTE KAK TODAY. Because Mafia kills Damo, and the other child can't be cleared. If we force Mafia to play their hand instead, they either kill Damo, and make it obvious which claim is true and which is bad, or they kill someone else, forcing themselves to kill Damo the next night.

Of course, we also shouldn't vote Damo today, for the same and opposite reason. It gives momentum up to the other team.

If y'all think I am scum, it is better for town to just vote for me. Because I know for sure we're getting a scum the next day, and it's much better to leave Damo alive for day 3.

Of course, this is y'alls billionth game, and my... second. So maybe there's some reason not to do this, but it seems like the most optimal town path. This has probably happened dozen of times in other games, so maybe I am missing something but... ummm, don't think I am?

[Doom427]

Ok, if we kill Scum!Kak today, damo dies. This is bad.

If you think Kak is scum, you SHOULD NOT VOTE KAK TODAY. Because Mafia kills Damo, and the other child can't be cleared. If we force Mafia to play their hand instead, they either kill Damo, and make it obvious which claim is true and which is bad, or they kill someone else, forcing themselves to kill Damo the next night.

Of course, we also shouldn't vote Damo today, for the same and opposite reason. It gives momentum up to the other team.

If y'all think I am scum, it is better for town to just vote for me. Because I know for sure we're getting a scum the next day, and it's much better to leave Damo alive for day 3.

Of course, this is y'alls billionth game, and my... second. So maybe there's some reason not to do this, but it seems like the most optimal town path. This has probably happened dozen of times in other games, so maybe I am missing something but... ummm, don't think I am?

Also, if you wanna hammer me, pls let me get on again around 3 for a last will?

Anyway, gonna work again

[Doom427]

Ok, one more post-

If I die day 3, than it would be better for me to instead die day 2. This is me playing to my win condition as town, know people got annoyed about this play in the last game, but this is a 100% pro-town idea

[damo666]

Scum kill me tonight in any case so no point in not killing Kak

[damo666]

Those posts from Doom seem v towny.

[damo666]

I have absolutely no idea who Kak's teammates are.

[Jamiet99uk]

Those posts from Doom seem v towny.

Somewhat misguided, yes, but towny.

[Durga]

I don't know what to think about Doom and Durga voting you.

Doom can be scum defending a fellow scum, but Durga knows better.

Wat

[Durga]

Why can't the other child just claim then. Surely mafia won't fake claim child

[Doom427]

Scum kill me tonight in any case so no point in not killing Kak

Why though?

I see why they would want to kill you, because they know for sure what role you are, so sure, murder the child.

But then... we know we should kill Kak? It gives us information. We don't have to kill Kak today. The lone benefit of killing you tonight is to prevent another child from scanning you, which is a benefit, yeah.

But the lone advantage of killing Kak today for town is.. making it obvious mafia team should shoot you? Mafia could decide they don't want to make it obvious what we should do. Hell, you could be lying... in which case it's great to wait, and let Mafia tell us which of you is scum.

We want mafia kills to give us info. If kak is scum and we kill kak, we get no info from mafia flipping you. By forcing them to tell us info, we gain every benefit. Either they shoot a non-claimant, and we get to know their role, or they shoot a claimant, and that's even better for town.

[damo666]

Why can't the other child just claim then. Surely mafia won't fake claim child

Don't see why not.

TFB?

[damo666]

Scum kill me tonight in any case so no point in not killing Kak

Why though?

I see why they would want to kill you, because they know for sure what role you are, so sure, murder the child.

But then... we know we should kill Kak? It gives us information. We don't have to kill Kak today. The lone benefit of killing you tonight is to prevent another child from scanning you, which is a benefit, yeah.

But the lone advantage of killing Kak today for town is.. making it obvious mafia team should shoot you? Mafia could decide they don't want to make it obvious what we should do. Hell, you could be lying... in which case it's great to wait, and let Mafia tell us which of you is scum.

We want mafia kills to give us info. If kak is scum and we kill kak, we get no info from mafia flipping you. By forcing them to tell us info, we gain every benefit. Either they shoot a non-claimant, and we get to know their role, or they shoot a claimant, and that's even better for town.

If we let Kak live and mk and they NK you what do we learn?

[Durga]

Wait this is actually great because then we still have a useful tracker