M1009 [HIDDEN]

[Tom Bombadil]

So your scum read of bozo is mostly contingent on his lack of vote on me correct? Or am I missing something there?

[Jamiet99uk]

Where is EMC?

[Jamiet99uk]

Where is Jack Tunney?

FOOD COATINGS, get out here now. In this very ring. With me. One on one. Mano-a-mano, if you consider yourself a man, that is. You won't last five minutes, bell to bell. Yeah?

YEAH.

[bozotheclown]

Well, the obvious motivation would be to save scum Bozo. Another possibility is to make sure a town Worcej that suspects you get lynched and leave alive a town Bpzo that's either another possible myslynch and that is aligned with you.

What do you think about the goldfinger and Tom vote changes? I had 2 long post about them that no one seems to care about.

Tom voting Worcej is NAI, he was voting to save his own neck, which is the obvious play as either town or scum.

Gold vote is suspicious. Food and him changed the result with his votes. Gold get an extra scum point for using the "I don't like the lack of movements" card to justify it.

I don't believe both are scum, but one of them is very possible I was townreading Food since D1, but his EOD and the current day where he seems to be just throwing things in the air to see what sticks are scummy.

At this point I am scumreading everybody, my townreads are all dead, but Food and he is acting scummy today.

Anyway, I think the lynch today should be Tom or Xorxes, I can't see how both are town and I think there is a good chance both are scum.

I think xorxes is town and Tom is scum, and that the scum team is probably Tom, goldfinger, and foodcoats.

[bozotheclown]

So im only up to page 25 but I think I've picked up a few things:

-emc went on about chipotle way too much to be likely scum. I think scum!emc would be like "i should cool it on these burrito jokes" two jokes earlier.
-i haven't read brain yet but flav was super scummy.
-rdr was way too humble about the townslip attributed to them. They refuted it over multiple posts. Im starting to wonder if it isn't an attempt at reverse psychology from scum!rdr

That all said I have a very strong inkling that the answer is to

##VOTE Jamiet99uk

Yo, yo, yo, yo.

What warmed-up garbage is this?

You mention three people. Yeah? None of the people you mention, are me.

Then you vote me. No explanation. No reasoning. Having previously town-read me. Hard times for Jamie the T, let me tell ya.

I do not like the smell of this, brother. No way.

Do you still suspect Tom? If so, do you think goldfinger saved him D2? foodcoats very possible as a third.

[bozotheclown]

I agree with almost everything you said on post 1, I think, up to the moment gold creates the 3-3-3 tie.

Then you lost me a bit with the second post, probably because many of the motivations you speculated with for my switch to worcej made very little sense.

I'm still trying to process your not voting for Tom when you posted about there being a tie.

I believe you changed your vote to force Tom to change his vote back to worcej to keep me from getting lynched. If Tom is town, he would want to lynch worcej over me. If Tom is scum, he would be forced to lynch worcej over me or contradict his reads. That is why I started the second post with Tom's clear indications of his preference to lynch worcej over me.

Yes, that's correct, but in your post you said you were surprized that I voted for worcej and robbed you of the chance to vote for Tom to save yourself, which doesn't make a lot of sense because in that case you were getting lynched (by food moving back to you). So this was not your first explanation.

To say it was not my first explanation, you are reading what I said in one post as if it was written in chronological order rater than as an instant in time. In that post, I gave a few possible reasons for your vote, including this:

"Another explanation is that Tom was pocketing me and xorxes is town and was trying to save me by giving Tom a chance to lynch worcej over me to be consistent with his stated preference."

If you read the end of that post, you will see that I said this is what I think most likely happened.

So, if you assume that I knew the point I was trying to make with that post before I started writing it, I believe it is clear that this was my "first explanation", although I presented some other possibilities. I did not say I was surprised by your vote, I said I did not understand it, meaning I thought there were multiple possible explanations, of which I concluded the one your gave was most likely.

[Jamiet99uk]

So im only up to page 25 but I think I've picked up a few things:

-emc went on about chipotle way too much to be likely scum. I think scum!emc would be like "i should cool it on these burrito jokes" two jokes earlier.
-i haven't read brain yet but flav was super scummy.
-rdr was way too humble about the townslip attributed to them. They refuted it over multiple posts. Im starting to wonder if it isn't an attempt at reverse psychology from scum!rdr

That all said I have a very strong inkling that the answer is to

##VOTE Jamiet99uk

Yo, yo, yo, yo.

What warmed-up garbage is this?

You mention three people. Yeah? None of the people you mention, are me.

Then you vote me. No explanation. No reasoning. Having previously town-read me. Hard times for Jamie the T, let me tell ya.

I do not like the smell of this, brother. No way.

Do you still suspect Tom? If so, do you think goldfinger saved him D2? foodcoats very possible as a third.

It is possible, Bozo.

My scumpool, I guess, is: Tom, Goldfinger, Foodcoats, Bozo. Then also Xorxes (probably only if Tom is town) and EMC (just by virtue of his disappearance).

You, CLOWN BOZO, are still in that pool, but those utterly terrible posts from Goldfinger and Foodcoats have brought them very much into scrutiny.

[bozotheclown]

I think scumteam is Tom+goldie+{bozo|food]

goldie saved Tom D2. Chaqa helped save him D1.

bozo did not vote for Tom when goldie made it 3-3-3. Holding on worcej was the rational thing to do to save himself, he needed me to move to worcej. But he did not give this explanation when first asked, and he even threw a little shade at my vote change.

food helped save Tom by giving goldie an opening. Rereading him, I think he defended Tom and Chaqa quite openly D1. This would normally make it less likely that they're his partners, but maybe he is newb scum. I know he has played before but I don't really know how experienced he is.

The parallel universe version is that Tom is town. Then Jamie is top candidate, possibly with emc, hard to say with who else. I don't really believe in this version, especially with goldie voting for me now.

I think it is Tom+goldfinger+foodcoats|Jamie|Flavius, but foodcoats seems most likely. How likely do you think it is I started the game bussing Chaqa?

[bozotheclown]

Yo, yo, yo, yo.

What warmed-up garbage is this?

You mention three people. Yeah? None of the people you mention, are me.

Then you vote me. No explanation. No reasoning. Having previously town-read me. Hard times for Jamie the T, let me tell ya.

I do not like the smell of this, brother. No way.

Do you still suspect Tom? If so, do you think goldfinger saved him D2? foodcoats very possible as a third.

It is possible, Bozo.

My scumpool, I guess, is: Tom, Goldfinger, Foodcoats, Bozo. Then also Xorxes (probably only if Tom is town) and EMC (just by virtue of his disappearance).

You, CLOWN BOZO, are still in that pool, but those utterly terrible posts from Goldfinger and Foodcoats have brought them very much into scrutiny.

Are you willing to lynch Tom or goldfinger today?

[bozotheclown]

How can we have PoE on day 1? Wut

Ill vote for petty much anyone except xorxes or Bozo, FWIW.

Neph is a good choice then. Or Tom. Don't vote for damo.

Tom seems normal to me. Damo seems odd but he always does. Neph works.

##Vote Neph

Chaqa also helped ensure Nephthys got lynched over Tom D1.

[bozotheclown]

foodcoats has twice made factually incorrect statements while explaining why he scum reads me, which I responded to as follows:

...but lest we forget I also said I think bozo looked like shit too. I find it interesting that this has been almost missed/swept away so far.

Actually, I too think bozo looks unappetizing. bozo parked on Chaqa for ages and then swung onto Neph to push the wagon up ahead 4/2 with 30 minutes to go, providing this justification:

I do not agree with your reads much.

##VOTE Nephthys

Not the greatest reason to stack off there. bozo also repeatedly hammered on Chaqa, even saying after voting for Neph that they really preferred to hang Chaqa or worcej, despite it being bozo who in leaving Chaqa dropped Chaqa down to a 1 vote wagon (the wagons were 3/2/2, then 4/2/1 with some other vanities because of bozo's switch), and pushed Neph up into true leadership position in doing so.

##VOTE bozotheclown

I tried for most of D1 to get votes for Chaqa and apparently was only able to convince damo to vote for him. (Maybe it is not a coincidence that damo is no longer here). I voted for Nephthys when I was leaving before EOD because it did not seem likely that Chaqa would be lynched, and I thought Nephthys was more likely to be scum than the other wagons. If I had been able to be online at EOD, I would have waited longer to change my vote, but unless others decided to vote for Chaqa, or a wagon on worcej materialized, I would have ended up voting for Nephthys.

Also, your analysis contains an error, the wagons were 3/2/2/2/2/2, so after my vote change, the wagons were 4/2/2/2/2/1, not 4/2/1. I addressed all of the 2 vote wagons with this post:

I would lynch Chaqa or worcej, but Nephthys looks suspicious as well. My guess is that damo and Jamie are both town, as well as emc. I am not sure about Tom. I will probably be on the road at EOD, I will check in from mobile if possible.

Since you find my vote for Nephthys suspicious, can you tell me what potential scum motivation you see in changing my vote to Nephthys when I did? From what you said, the only thing I can conclude is that you think I might have been protecting Chaqa.

Stuck how?

What worcej did would have been just a little discrepancy if he had not decided to claim it was a reaction test. The reaction test claim is not believable, and only scum would have a reason to make it up.

Are you seriously asking for proof that Chaqa and Kakarroto were college roommates? That post obviously was not intended to be taken literally, but it was meant to point out that I knew it sounds like I was tunneling Chaqa for claiming not to know Kakarroto, but nevertheless still think I could be right.

Well this is interesting.

You misled people quite seriously for a long time, bozo. If it was a joke why did you double down when you said "I stand by my research?" I really believed you had something. What I thought you were going to point to was a thread where Chaq and Kak joked around about Camaros... but I really believed it was SOMETHING, because you're so fastidious as a player.

It is very interesting that you're now withdrawing outright lies after EOD. And Im pretty upset I wanked the vote and hung worcej for you and your team.

First, that post was before EOD, so if that information would have affected your voting, you were missing it not because I posted it after EOD, but because you did not read it.

Second, I thought it was obvious I was not being serious about Chaqa and Kakarroto.

[Jamiet99uk]

I said I had two options today.

##VOTE TOM BOMBADIL

I would add Foodcoats as a third option.

[rdrivera2005]

What do you think about the goldfinger and Tom vote changes? I had 2 long post about them that no one seems to care about.

Tom voting Worcej is NAI, he was voting to save his own neck, which is the obvious play as either town or scum.

Gold vote is suspicious. Food and him changed the result with his votes. Gold get an extra scum point for using the "I don't like the lack of movements" card to justify it.

I don't believe both are scum, but one of them is very possible I was townreading Food since D1, but his EOD and the current day where he seems to be just throwing things in the air to see what sticks are scummy.

At this point I am scumreading everybody, my townreads are all dead, but Food and he is acting scummy today.

Anyway, I think the lynch today should be Tom or Xorxes, I can't see how both are town and I think there is a good chance both are scum.

I think xorxes is town and Tom is scum, and that the scum team is probably Tom, goldfinger, and foodcoats.

Scum is winning, I can't see both scum risking his necks to save Tom who will be lynched sooner or later. If Tom is scum, at least one scum is bussing him.

[bozotheclown]

Greetings, Kakarroto! Have you been away long?

Surely, bozo's thinking is that... BOZO IS SCUM!

##VOTE bozotheclown

This is the first post of the game by foodcoats. If he is town, he is showing a pattern of confirmation bias, scum reading me for voting for Nephthys D1 (who he was also voting for), because I "misled people quite seriously" with an obvious joke, and "withdrawing outright lies after EOD" talking about a post I made before EOD. I think it is more likely foodcoats is scum making up reasons to scum read me, since I do not believe foodcoats would scum read me for these reasons as town.

As a point of reference, I remember what I believe was the first game foodcoats played on this site, M1005. foodcoats nailed the entire scum team by D2, as demonstrated in the following post:

TOWN
Drcjcj
worcej
foodcoats
jamiet99uk
bozo


scum
xorx
tdhfrance
neph

I really like your posts today brain, I am following and it sounds right. I would substitute Jamie for thd in your scum list though.

##VOTE xorxes

I think we should have a xorxes and a Jamie wagon, or a xorxes/Jamie wagon and a thd wagon. I still think that if thd was mafia thd would have said something at this point. They've visited the site in the last 24 hours though, and I certainly don't think a townie would think the best defense is silence.

But I feel better voting for xorxes than for jamie or for thd at the moment; I still think those counter-wagons would be revealing in terms of seeing who gets on what.

This was probably the most impressive town performance I have seen in a game of mafia. Jamie, brainbomb, xorxes, and rdrivera should remember that game well, in fact it was the game Jamie and xorxes were discussing earlier.

[rdrivera2005]

Anyway, I don't see any other lynch today that isn't Tom or Xorxes.

[bozotheclown]

Tom voting Worcej is NAI, he was voting to save his own neck, which is the obvious play as either town or scum.

Gold vote is suspicious. Food and him changed the result with his votes. Gold get an extra scum point for using the "I don't like the lack of movements" card to justify it.

I don't believe both are scum, but one of them is very possible I was townreading Food since D1, but his EOD and the current day where he seems to be just throwing things in the air to see what sticks are scummy.

At this point I am scumreading everybody, my townreads are all dead, but Food and he is acting scummy today.

Anyway, I think the lynch today should be Tom or Xorxes, I can't see how both are town and I think there is a good chance both are scum.

I think xorxes is town and Tom is scum, and that the scum team is probably Tom, goldfinger, and foodcoats.

Scum is winning, I can't see both scum risking his necks to save Tom who will be lynched sooner or later. If Tom is scum, at least one scum is bussing him.

Maybe, but maybe not, because Tom told us to look for bussers if/when he flips scum:

We’re doomed.

If damo and I were scum you are saying that instead of voting Neph with 20 minutes left (and taking no heat for it because he was my counterwagon), scum Tom would vote him scumbuddu to potentially create two viable scum wagons. That’s nuts.

It is literally the thing I would do as scum, and have done in actual games, and won those games as a direct result. Ask Xorxes. I did it to him.

Damn RIGHT you're doomed, scumTom.

Yeah. Probably why in games where you are scum, scum gets lynched d1. I would never do that as scum. Me budding someone makes no sense because people would get suspicious of me if I made it to the final 3. It would make more sense for someone else to bus me.

[bozotheclown]

Anyway, I don't see any other lynch today that isn't Tom or Xorxes.

How about lynching Tom then? xorxes bussing Tom would be an atypical scum move for him.

[Foxcastle]

VOTE COUNT 3.2

Tom Bombadil (3) — xorxes, bozotheclown, Jamiet99uk
Jamiet99uk (2) — Tom Bombadil, foodcoats
xorxes (2) — goldfinger0303, rdrivera2005
e.m.c^42 (1) — brainbomb

Tom Bomb is set to be exploded!

Day 3 ends in approximately 7 hours and 35 minutes!

E.m.c must meet posting and voting requirements.

[goldfinger0303]

I think everyone here is chasing something that isn't there, and Tom has the right of it - both he and bozo are town. If the lynch has to be between xorxes and Tom, as a few people have said, I think the better chance of scum is in xorxes.

But emc could be just straight lurking his way to a victory and has no pressure on him.

Foodcoats seems really off today.

If we do nail scum today, I think those two are the place to look tomorrow.

(And apologies to Jamiet for including you in the lurkers and new arrivals pool. I just wanted to hear from you)

[goldfinger0303]

@foodcoats - why did you plug a vote on Jamiet?