MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[ND]

Darg seems extremely confused hope you are ok.

[dargorygel]

Im not saying dont kill Chaqa, sorry Chaqa your gonna have to die, BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE TO DIE TODAY, NOR DOES ND, ONE OF THEM WILL DIE TONIGHT BY MAFIA, THEY ARENT GOING TO WASTE A BLOCKED NK

WE KILL WHOEVER IS LEFT TOMORROW, AS THEY ARE SCUM, SIMPLE. DIMPLES.

psst. Flave... do you think that repeating the same exact thing over and over repeatedly duplicatingly redundantly is going to convince anyone? Assume we read and maybe disagreed, or maybe agreed, and maybe just didn't comment. Repeating is not helpful. New arguments are helpful. and all caps doesn't really get anyone's attention.
So I moved my vote to frost. Do you think he is the best choice? Why or why not? Are there other options? What do you think of bozo or emc? Why, beyond your initial reasons, should we vote for ole Bo? How about Kitsune? Maybe me? Maybe a lurker? Maybe a different lurker? Help us out, give us something more to discuss.

Don't copy my example, btw... but you are a big poster. You obviously are reading and kind of responding. Make us glad to read your comments, because we want to be.

[FlaviusAetius]

We are just doing the mafia's dirty, work they already know who jekyll is there's literally no reason for us to guess, especially not on Day 2!

[dargorygel]

Darg seems extremely confused hope you are ok.

thanks for your concern. (wow you ARE suddenly being nice.)

I can't loose the crazy tinfoil hat feeling that you both are scum.
::
but I can't make it work reasonably.
I am inclined, still, to believe that you didn't just make all this up. I think we should lynch chaqa. But I HAVE changed my mind on the urgency.
We have a whole day to discuss and reason.
Spending the whole time resting on chaqa doesn't seem overly helpful.

[Tom Bombadil]

Why are people yelling about the stupidity of voting Chaqa or ND without presenting thoughts/cases themselves?

[Tom Bombadil]

Did I miss a case on frost? Why are you voting frost damo?

[Chaqa]

Flavius, I think your ideas and inputs are often very useful, but I really wish you wouldn't do post-by-post quote-catchup like a day behind everyone else. It's a bit distracting, jarring, and really doesn't contribute anything style-wise.

Can you just quote these all into one big post or two you do when you're DONE catching up?

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 2.4

Chaqa(7) - Vecna, ND, Tom Bombadil, Temasek22, Kitsune, bozotheclown, xorxes
frostwind(3) - DemonRHK, damo666, dargorygel
ND(3) - frostwind, CmdrLikely, ItsHosuke
bo_sox48(1) - FlaviusAetius
xorxes(1) - BunnyGo

Unvoted: Chaqa purplecow rdrivera2005

Currently CHAQA is set to have the attention of Her Majesty's official executioner.

30 hours and 26 minutes are left in Day Two.

[FlaviusAetius]

Im not saying dont kill Chaqa, sorry Chaqa your gonna have to die, BUT HE DOES NOT HAVE TO DIE TODAY, NOR DOES ND, ONE OF THEM WILL DIE TONIGHT BY MAFIA, THEY ARENT GOING TO WASTE A BLOCKED NK

WE KILL WHOEVER IS LEFT TOMORROW, AS THEY ARE SCUM, SIMPLE. DIMPLES.

psst. Flave... do you think that repeating the same exact thing over and over repeatedly duplicatingly redundantly is going to convince anyone? Assume we read and maybe disagreed, or maybe agreed, and maybe just didn't comment. Repeating is not helpful. New arguments are helpful. and all caps doesn't really get anyone's attention.
So I moved my vote to frost. Do you think he is the best choice? Why or why not? Are there other options? What do you think of bozo or emc? Why, beyond your initial reasons, should we vote for ole Bo? How about Kitsune? Maybe me? Maybe a lurker? Maybe a different lurker? Help us out, give us something more to discuss.

Don't copy my example, btw... but you are a big poster. You obviously are reading and kind of responding. Make us glad to read your comments, because we want to be.

First and foremost, I am repeating it because I think its getting kind of thrown under the bus, and the point that the mafia are going to kill Jekyll N2 anyways, isnt really being said, I was just about to add another point that we shouldnt be doing the mafia's dirty work, which is what we are doing, also the points about how we are guessing(i responded to people who disagreed with this point)
So yes I am responding and giving out new points, this is just a major one

-Frost is a guy who is a noob when he feels like it, and a pro when he wants too, besides that he's been mostly a commenter, not a doer, hasnt really been doing much, I think we have better things to worry about than him, but I am all for questioning everyone, just right now, we dont really need to focus on the lurkers(he basically is one)

-Why dont we need to worry about the lurkers? Because you can always make lurkers talk anyways, and ontop of that lurkers are more than likely going to be killed by mafia, and if they arent, they likely ARE mafia. See?

-Bozo has a bunch of shoddy arguments, and you shouldnt use meta to excuse it as nothing

-emc is lurking today, but day 1 he was saying stuff without saying stuff, and I was going to do a last mintue ISO on him so we could lynch him but I ran out of time, but basically he was talking a bit about mechanics, and was just asking people questions, not really making any claims, seems realllyyyyyyyyyyy sus

-bo_sox has been just inactive as computer_genius and acted like he was vapor in my questions, when he was actually computer_genius' sub, and Tom ignored my questions, and then when I brought it up again he only answered the 2nd of the two questions, by saying he cant say... :facedesk:
probably both scum, probably both teammates ngl
which is why we should go after bosox, because his flip uncovers tom

-Kitsune needs to stop worrying about his spreadsheet, its playing the game for him, which makes it really really easy to hide behind whatever role he has, another reason why spreadsheets need to go

-as for you I havent really paid attention to you, meaning you probably havent said a whole lot of things, or not a lot of notable things, and therefore your probably going under the radar

[FlaviusAetius]

Darg seems extremely confused hope you are ok.

thanks for your concern. (wow you ARE suddenly being nice.)

I can't loose the crazy tinfoil hat feeling that you both are scum.
::
but I can't make it work reasonably.
I am inclined, still, to believe that you didn't just make all this up. I think we should lynch chaqa. But I HAVE changed my mind on the urgency.
We have a whole day to discuss and reason.
Spending the whole time resting on chaqa doesn't seem overly helpful.

big facts.

[FlaviusAetius]

Flavius, I think your ideas and inputs are often very useful, but I really wish you wouldn't do post-by-post quote-catchup like a day behind everyone else. It's a bit distracting, jarring, and really doesn't contribute anything style-wise.

Can you just quote these all into one big post or two you do when you're DONE catching up?

I already explained why for several reasons this is unhelpful, in short;
1) I want to respond organically, not with context in mind
2) Big posts like the one ND did are hard to respond too and often ignored
3) Smaller posts allow for easier conversations
4) If I read and respond as I go I am giving my legit reactions, you cant make that stuff up

[FlaviusAetius]

Why are people yelling about the stupidity of voting Chaqa or ND without presenting thoughts/cases themselves?

I have you just chose to ignore it

[FlaviusAetius]

Did I miss a case on frost? Why are you voting frost damo?

same reason as computer_genius :IIII

[Tom Bombadil]

Why are people yelling about the stupidity of voting Chaqa or ND without presenting thoughts/cases themselves?

I have you just chose to ignore it

What was your question I ignored?

[Chaqa]

Flavius, I think your ideas and inputs are often very useful, but I really wish you wouldn't do post-by-post quote-catchup like a day behind everyone else. It's a bit distracting, jarring, and really doesn't contribute anything style-wise.

Can you just quote these all into one big post or two you do when you're DONE catching up?

I already explained why for several reasons this is unhelpful, in short;
1) I want to respond organically, not with context in mind
2) Big posts like the one ND did are hard to respond too and often ignored
3) Smaller posts allow for easier conversations
4) If I read and respond as I go I am giving my legit reactions, you cant make that stuff up

Or, you're already caught up and go back to cherry-pick your reactions.

[Chaqa]

That said I do think you're town, but in the future this could be something scum!Flavius abuses.

[FlaviusAetius]

That said I do think you're town, but in the future this could be something scum!Flavius abuses.

this is something all flav's do, changing your style from game to game is silly lol

[FlaviusAetius]

another reason why I said DONT GO OFF OF META, IT DOESNT HELP, the RABBIT HOLES are ENDLESS

[FlaviusAetius]

I want an explanation for this. I can live with xorxes - he has an explanation. Though conveniently it isn't one I can counter since I'm not Vapor. I don't know why he said what he said. It didn't strike me as off, but then again I'm looking at it through the lens of knowing I am town - so I'm not holding it against xorx.

answer my question @tom
What are your impressions after seeing Vapor's role?
Do you think Vapor played it smart, or were you surprised by how he did it?

I don’t think Vapor played wel or poorly. It’s hard to judge - people vote for the smallest things D1 because there is so little information out

This one
What are your impressions after seeing Vapor's role?

[FlaviusAetius]

Why are people yelling about the stupidity of voting Chaqa or ND without presenting thoughts/cases themselves?

I have you just chose to ignore it

What was your question I ignored?

Also why are you asking about a question, why getting all defensive all of a sudden? My comment had literally nothing to do with you in particular