M1011 - Revenge of the Space Mutants - Game Thread

[Vecna]

Even chaqa's recent "I cant see any world where damo isnt scum"....

is total nonsense. If he is so sure of that, he should be more suspicious of me for hard defending it. That would suddenly open up his poe pool and the world where damo is town suddenly becomes plausible again.

The reasoning is super thin

[Chaqa]

Even chaqa's recent "I cant see any world where damo isnt scum"....

is total nonsense. If he is so sure of that, he should be more suspicious of me for hard defending it. That would suddenly open up his poe pool and the world where damo is town suddenly becomes plausible again.

The reasoning is super thin

If you have alternate theories, feel free to state them.

My only concern is how quiet this EoD is going so far and the lack of resistance, but probably scum have just resigned to bussing damo?

[worcej]

Everyone should have 3 scumreads and a bunch of townreads here.

You PRs should pressure people to vote their scumread #2 and #3, and then realize that they dont want to because those will have to be bussing their partners.

Scum is all-in on lynching damo today and winning

The only reason I cannot fathom this to be true is because at this point is based on my continued logic that Damo has to be scum now that we know the PRs and his selfish motivation to self-save on D1.

I'm willing to go down in a blaze of glory if he flips VT and the game ends - my vote isn't moving. There is no way anyone is going to be able to convince me that he is town with how D1 and D2 played out.

[Chaqa]

Everyone should have 3 scumreads and a bunch of townreads here.

You PRs should pressure people to vote their scumread #2 and #3, and then realize that they dont want to because those will have to be bussing their partners.

Scum is all-in on lynching damo today and winning

The only reason I cannot fathom this to be true is because at this point is based on my continued logic that Damo has to be scum now that we know the PRs and his selfish motivation to self-save on D1.

I'm willing to go down in a blaze of glory if he flips VT and the game ends - my vote isn't moving. There is no way anyone is going to be able to convince me that he is town with how D1 and D2 played out.

Worcej, I 100% agree that damo is scum and is the lynch today, but I 100% disagree that his self-saving vote is scum-indicative. Anyone regardless of alignment would do that.

[worcej]

Everyone should have 3 scumreads and a bunch of townreads here.

You PRs should pressure people to vote their scumread #2 and #3, and then realize that they dont want to because those will have to be bussing their partners.

Scum is all-in on lynching damo today and winning

The only reason I cannot fathom this to be true is because at this point is based on my continued logic that Damo has to be scum now that we know the PRs and his selfish motivation to self-save on D1.

I'm willing to go down in a blaze of glory if he flips VT and the game ends - my vote isn't moving. There is no way anyone is going to be able to convince me that he is town with how D1 and D2 played out.

Worcej, I 100% agree that damo is scum and is the lynch today, but I 100% disagree that his self-saving vote is scum-indicative. Anyone regardless of alignment would do that.

Explain why a VT should force a tie to live?

Maybe I need to slap myself silly, but it just is dumb to me. There is more value to the remaining town to let your flip go through so POE and VCA can be examined and more analysis can be performed.

Everyone seems to agree a tie on D1 was the worst possible outcome for town, yet is fine and dandy with the person who caused it and thinks that it isn’t scum indicative? How is that remotely possible?

[worcej]

Honestly, I probably need a break from webDip mafia - I am actually angry seeing people justify the selfish behavior of saving yourself as a VT as town. It is beyond retarded - you deprive your team of information to help them win.

To me, everyone who thinks it’s okay to do that needs to check their ego at the door. 99% of the time, this is a team game. You don’t win as an individual unless you’re a 3p. The scum team works together to overcome the town majority and win. Depriving your team of information intentionally just so that you can stay alive is a selfish, terrible play.

[kgray]

@worcej, even if you’re right that it’s terrible play, do you really think there’s no way town!damo would make that play? Lots of people disagree with you so even if we’re all wrong, it can’t be something that only scum would do.

[Tom Bombadil]

Honestly, I probably need a break from webDip mafia - I am actually angry seeing people justify the selfish behavior of saving yourself as a VT as town. It is beyond retarded - you deprive your team of information to help them win.

To me, everyone who thinks it’s okay to do that needs to check their ego at the door. 99% of the time, this is a team game. You don’t win as an individual unless you’re a 3p. The scum team works together to overcome the town majority and win. Depriving your team of information intentionally just so that you can stay alive is a selfish, terrible play.

Let’s discuss this after the game, because I still disagree.

[bozotheclown]

The 1 minute thing is a bit spurious. With 8 mins to go it was 4-4 with Xorxes and I both on solo vote wagons so it was fairly obvious at that stage it would very likely go to 5-5 so why did nobody jump? Possible reasons:
a) not online
b) assumed Neph would switch
c) didn't want to out themselves as likely scum (especially if it were TvS)

damo said here that it was obvious the D1 vote would go to 5-5, yet he maintains he barely got his vote in on time.

Obvious to anyone monitoring the vote at the time. The last time I looked the vote was something like 5-2 and I didn't think I was in danger. I made sure I was able to look at the vote count just prior EOD and naturally seeing I was 5-4 ahead I switched to Xorxes. I really don't see what is so strange about it. I think it is completely NAI.

The vote was never 5-2, it was 4-2 at the time of your previous post, and it was 3-3 before Chaqa switched his vote from you to xorxes, so it does not seem likely you would conclude you were not in danger.

[bozotheclown]

The 1 minute thing is a bit spurious. With 8 mins to go it was 4-4 with Xorxes and I both on solo vote wagons so it was fairly obvious at that stage it would very likely go to 5-5 so why did nobody jump? Possible reasons:
a) not online
b) assumed Neph would switch
c) didn't want to out themselves as likely scum (especially if it were TvS)

damo said here that it was obvious the D1 vote would go to 5-5, yet he maintains he barely got his vote in on time.

Obvious to anyone monitoring the vote at the time. The last time I looked the vote was something like 5-2 and I didn't think I was in danger. I made sure I was able to look at the vote count just prior EOD and naturally seeing I was 5-4 ahead I switched to Xorxes. I really don't see what is so strange about it. I think it is completely NAI.

Also, you did not address this:

Assuming

1 worcej is town due to claim
2 Neph is town else he would have caused lynch
3 Vecna is town because scumemc would have made an effort to vote

then

if Xorxes is town with me scum were presumably all on one wagon giving only 2 possible scum teams, namely

food Bozo Chaqa OR kgray Tom summit

If Xorxes is scum his team mates must be 2 from kgray Tom and summit.

Therefore logically I must ##vote Xorxes

Assuming I am correct then whichever way he flips we are only one mislynch away from victory.

Hopefully game is solved.

@Xorxes sorry if you're town but if you are you will be happy with my logic.

Addendum: if you - kgray, summit, and bozo - are town, you should only be voting Nephthys if you believe both damo and xorxes are town.

Discuss.

##vote Neph

You were sure you had the game solved with the assumption Nephthys was town, so did you vote for Nephthys strictly for self preservation?

[bozotheclown]

##Vote kgray for now. The lady gray protests too much. And is too upset about being accused. She asks no questions, and tells only lies.

I should know, I've read nearly half her ISO! Look at me I'm reeding. Yay for trying!

Can you tell me what kgray was upset about being accused of?

Can you please answer this question?

[bozotheclown]

scum team predictions:

bozo: damo, Chaqa, Tom
damo: bozo, Chaqa, BunnyGo
foodcoats: damo, BunnyGo, Chaqa
Vecna: Chaqa, Tom, BunnyGo
kgray: damo, BunnyGo, Tom
Tom: damo, Chaqa, (Vecna or kgray)
Chaqa: damo, (2/3) of (Bozo, Vecna, Bunny)

damo, BunnyGo, and Chaqa are the consensus scum reads. From my point of view, at least one of these have to be scum.

[bozotheclown]

scum team predictions:

bozo: damo, Chaqa, Tom
damo: bozo, Chaqa, BunnyGo
foodcoats: damo, BunnyGo, Chaqa
Vecna: Chaqa, Tom, BunnyGo
kgray: damo, BunnyGo, Tom
Tom: damo, Chaqa, (Vecna or kgray)
Chaqa: damo, (2/3) of (Bozo, Vecna, Bunny)

damo, BunnyGo, and Chaqa are the consensus scum reads. From my point of view, at least one of these have to be scum.

That is not true, it could be Vecna, kgray, Tom.

[Chaqa]

Bozo, are you ok? You’re arguing with yourself...

[damo666]

damo said here that it was obvious the D1 vote would go to 5-5, yet he maintains he barely got his vote in on time.

Obvious to anyone monitoring the vote at the time. The last time I looked the vote was something like 5-2 and I didn't think I was in danger. I made sure I was able to look at the vote count just prior EOD and naturally seeing I was 5-4 ahead I switched to Xorxes. I really don't see what is so strange about it. I think it is completely NAI.

The vote was never 5-2, it was 4-2 at the time of your previous post, and it was 3-3 before Chaqa switched his vote from you to xorxes, so it does not seem likely you would conclude you were not in danger.

4-2 is something like 5-2

[damo666]

scum team predictions:

bozo: damo, Chaqa, Tom
damo: bozo, Chaqa, BunnyGo
foodcoats: damo, BunnyGo, Chaqa
Vecna: Chaqa, Tom, BunnyGo
kgray: damo, BunnyGo, Tom
Tom: damo, Chaqa, (Vecna or kgray)
Chaqa: damo, (2/3) of (Bozo, Vecna, Bunny)

damo, BunnyGo, and Chaqa are the consensus scum reads. From my point of view, at least one of these have to be scum.

I agree

[damo666]

damo said here that it was obvious the D1 vote would go to 5-5, yet he maintains he barely got his vote in on time.

Obvious to anyone monitoring the vote at the time. The last time I looked the vote was something like 5-2 and I didn't think I was in danger. I made sure I was able to look at the vote count just prior EOD and naturally seeing I was 5-4 ahead I switched to Xorxes. I really don't see what is so strange about it. I think it is completely NAI.

Also, you did not address this:

Assuming

1 worcej is town due to claim
2 Neph is town else he would have caused lynch
3 Vecna is town because scumemc would have made an effort to vote

then

if Xorxes is town with me scum were presumably all on one wagon giving only 2 possible scum teams, namely

food Bozo Chaqa OR kgray Tom summit

If Xorxes is scum his team mates must be 2 from kgray Tom and summit.

Therefore logically I must ##vote Xorxes

Assuming I am correct then whichever way he flips we are only one mislynch away from victory.

Hopefully game is solved.

@Xorxes sorry if you're town but if you are you will be happy with my logic.

Addendum: if you - kgray, summit, and bozo - are town, you should only be voting Nephthys if you believe both damo and xorxes are town.

Discuss.

##vote Neph

You were sure you had the game solved with the assumption Nephthys was town, so did you vote for Nephthys strictly for self preservation?

When you are town do your reads not develop and change?

[bozotheclown]

Here are my final thoughts of the day, possibly of the game.

There are 6 slots for 3 scum.

Nephthys told us he was not going to play D1 and essentially followed through. He was gone the second half of D2, then subbed out D3. emc failed to vote D1 and was replaced. Vecna ended D2 with an invalid vote, and if the UNVOTE rule had not been changed for this game, he would have ended without a vote and have been replace as well. I think this kind of disinterest is more likely to come from town, and it will be disappointing if these are scum slots that we were left trying read based on lack of participation.

If kgray is scum, she has done a very good job duplication her town style. It concerns me a little that she is so widely town read, including by her 3 top scum reads. I am assuming the scum team just went along with town reading her, but it is possible she has been bussing her partners and pocketing everyone else.

Chaqa, damo, and Tom seem the most likely scum team to me by POE, and I think it fits if the plan was to bus damo, maybe because he is the goon.

[kgray]

##VOTE damo

I still find it hard to believe damo was not deliberately waiting to vote at the last minute D1, his D2 analysis did not make any sense to me, and part of that D2 analysis was that Nephthys was town, yet damo voted for Nephthys as soon as he could put Nephthys ahead of his wagon.

Do you really find this hard to believe from town!damo? Damo's analysis never makes sense.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE damo

I still find it hard to believe damo was not deliberately waiting to vote at the last minute D1, his D2 analysis did not make any sense to me, and part of that D2 analysis was that Nephthys was town, yet damo voted for Nephthys as soon as he could put Nephthys ahead of his wagon.

Do you really find this hard to believe from town!damo? Damo's analysis never makes sense.

I can usually see where damo is coming from.