MAFIA 75: TROUBLE AT THE PRECINCT [HIDDEN]

[BesharamSabi]

BO_SOX48, DELAPH, PYXXY, RDRIVERA2005, and VECNA still need to cast votes.

23.25ish hours remain in Day 1.

ah shit I should get on with this

I have a funny idea

Anyway I'm out for the rest of the day because I'm in a shitty mood and I hate having mafia affect my mood. If you need me just mention my name for questions or comments or whatever.

Did you mean irl day or mafia day?

Either way you're still in the thread, probably because I'm here

I'm afraid I must still banish you though, so I will

##VOTE BesharamSabi

until they don't post for two straight sequential hours as determined by post publishing time :)

OK I'm shutting up now. I think my discussion with ghug has ended so I can go

[celaph]

Hello everyone. Just quickly done a catch-up.

I find it very strange indeed that Eden did not address the apparent lie from page 4, that first caused him to start getting votes, despite him being very active and despite that apparent lie being mentioned by at least four people.

Eden's reaction to pressure has been a bit weird altogether.

##Vote President Eden

Does anyone have any thoughts about this?

You mean the fact that Eden didn't know how to use name plates despite supposedly having read the setup? I find it entirely unremarkable.

[President Eden]

this Chaqa dude gives way too few fucks. observe:

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=72&user=Chaqa
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=73&user=Chaqa
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=74&user=Chaqa

vs

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=75&user=Chaqa

q.e.d.

one down

[Vecna]

Sabi, are you pocketing me btw?

No. If I were you were have been townread by me with a lot more conviction. You are just null atm

sabi feels pretty genuine

worcej so far doesnt feel like he's trying to fake shit. his stuff all just feels pretty mellow

i rarely read fuck all, but i dont see why people are suspicious of eden. feels pretty towny in his poking overall. his comments on chaqa feel pretty standard.

[Vecna]

Hello everyone. Just quickly done a catch-up.

I find it very strange indeed that Eden did not address the apparent lie from page 4, that first caused him to start getting votes, despite him being very active and despite that apparent lie being mentioned by at least four people.

Eden's reaction to pressure has been a bit weird altogether.

##Vote President Eden

Does anyone have any thoughts about this?

You mean the fact that Eden didn't know how to use name plates despite supposedly having read the setup? I find it entirely unremarkable.

fucking hell, celaph is also in this game? thats pretty cool

[Vecna]

not overly thrilled by darg btw. he seems to rely a bit too much on easy points.

also, why make the statement you want me to participate so you can apply your read on me? why would you say that as town? feels like a bit on the busy-work side of things.

[celaph]

Rumi probably town.
Worcej possibly scum.
Chaqa has an alignment.

Bo_Sox, Celaph and Vecna are not here.

where is celaph

Here

[ghug]

This discussion with ghug has me looking at Jamie old scum games to verify if he has ever once played mafia as a power wolf.

I also can't find a link to explain what a power wolf is for rumi.

This demonstrates both of the main issues with jargon: it can be exclusionary, and it glosses over nuance.

Jamie is almost always active and involved when he's scum. He's rather good at it too Does that make him a "power wolf"? Depends what you want that term to mean, but probably.

It's going to take me a day or two to turn off my terms thing because it's just how commonly used in forums I play on. Just have to bear with me

Sorry, I'm not trying to shit on you specifically. It's a thing that's always kinda bugged me, exacerbated by some poor choices brain made in inviting people here back in the day (these new folks are much better).

[Vecna]

I don't know how to quote with the ISO feature, but Rivera's explanation satisfied me. That reaction I had to your post was genuine a minor gut thing for me, and I can buy that Rivera had the same gut read and TR me for the mindmeld. Ofc that does nothing to make me townread them, cause it's easily fakeable, but I don't find it inherently scummy. The meta thing I'll acknowledge, though.

I have work to do tonight to make better wagons, sheesh

this also feels towny as fuck. hello thought pattern-shit

[celaph]

Where is Celaph?

Why are you only asking about Celaph when three people did not post?

celaph is my buddy

[Vecna]

How do I write on my name tag

Chaqa's almost too unlikeable to be scum this game

[Princess Neon]

Its a logic problem mindset. I'll always have this. Something of an obsession with understanding how and why. Mysteries are supposed to be solvable by the reader. (or in this case the participants)

This is Mafia, not And Then There Were None (and yes, this is a dig at Christie's writing)

This person is town and I will die on that hill. This play is not scum.

Also hi hi.

What makes you so confident in this read?

This is not how scum plays.

[pyxxy]

Rumi if the game isn't begin by fun or affecting you mentally, you can take breaks from it till you feel better. People take breaks all the time. You don't have to camp in the thread all day.

Well-being and self-care aren't things i do. Moderation isn't in my vocabulary. Sleep-deprivation is life.

When I write quests on Sufficient Velocity, I camp in the thread all day, but there I at least can flag myself invisible and lurk in the thread potentially asleep without everyone watching me be all lowkey creepy. Sorry if my lurking in the thread is kinda creepy. (I actually find it creepy but don't care enough to stop)

Reported because I'm in this comment and I don't like it

I saw Rumi's red text weeb disclaimer earlier, forgive me for wanting to clarify, Sabi invited both you and Rumi to join this game, right?

[Princess Neon]

Was it Byz? You’d stated suspicion of him at some point.

No I meme voted Celaph for zero posting.

I might still vote another zero poster but I got pinged by something.

What pinged you

This requires me to attempt to understand the bot let me catch up again and I'll quote it

[Vecna]

Why do you sound so phony?

##VOTE BesharamSabi

I'm not phony. I changed how I play and this is how I play.

I can show you my recent games.

hmmm

[Vecna]

No it’s not that. I’m having trouble figuring out how to say what I mean without coming off like a condescending asshole. And I’m really trying not to be, though I suspect I’m going to fail. I’m just trying to explain what I see as I see it in a way that can easily be understood, ideally as respectfully and delicately as possible.

But from my perspective, despite Sabi’s claims to the contrary, I don’t actually see a meaningful change in how they approach the game. They seem to have merely learned that townies who talk about “solving slots” and “forming a town core” and “avoiding confirmation bias” are regarded as smart and talented at the game, and have accordingly incorporated those words into their posting, while not actually changing the substance of how they play at all. It’s the same empty “vibes” reasoning, the same endless questions that go nowhere, the same hyperfocus on any post involving them, the same overarching drive less to win and more to be seen as good at the game and get approval from other players. And then there’s this weird condescension thrown on top, like my confusion over the typo was insincere and these odd demands to “work with me.”

It’s just all very performative and is throwing me off. It’s not even necessarily mafia behavior although it obviously could come from mafia. It’s more that everything feels like a simulacrum of solving, stage art to be seen and wondered at and praised, not investigation into a mystery to be solved.

I’m sorry if that comes off as mean, I really don’t mean it to be, but I’m posting on a phone which makes it hard to review and edit a post down to be less harsh. I just don’t know what to do with Sabi’s posting, it all feels so fake but it doesn’t even have to be mafia fake. I’m sure Sabi has gained plenty of experience playing elsewhere and maybe things have changed, but I just am not seeing the outward manifestation of it beyond the liberal use of buzzwords.

a+ rant, not based on content, but reasoning and emotion poured in.

Would score very high on the impressive scale if this was made up by scum to discredit town. SvS over-the-top theater, highly unlikely, but more possible.

Post is too mean for scum to type about town. Not how I wouldve remembered eden.

[Princess Neon]

Newbies are so wonderfully... serious.

Feel like this post makes them likely town though. It's the exact sort of post a newbie trying to solve makes to try to understand the game. One that would be much more likely to made if they had scum chat to turn to.

##UNVOTE for now, but my vote needs a new home

This was my impression too. It's not a hard plan for new scum to come up with I think as it lets them control the flow of information, but I want to at least give Rumi a day or two before pushing them given their initial honesty.


Is scum chat open right now? I feel like it's normally a night thing here. Weak townslip?

Step 1

I think I follow you—you were thinking about proposing a plan that would force some action, which would trigger reactions from the other players that would allow us to sort.

As it happens, this sort of occurred; Byz voted you then decided your behavior was indicative of a newer town player, while I questioned your reasoning and haven’t stated my conclusion. What do you think about our two reactions?

I find his conclusion logical but dangerous. Detective mindset doesn't necessarily mean Decalogue compliant. For one thing, Ryz only has my statement of having no experience to go by.

For another thing, I've implied a lack of social skills, but my vast paragraphs of rambling clearly disprove that which come to think of it, cast doubt on everything I've ever said. Huh.

Putting aside how my social anxiety affects my ability to ramble about logic problems, mysteries, and death games. By assuming me townie, Ryz becomes closed to hte possibility that it might be an act.

Do you think that Byz is town? You're speaking a lot about him without saying much and while I get is that you think Byz is more likely to be dumb towny than scum, you don't consider the latter.

Step 2

For whatever reason, "I think I follow you" in this strikes me as scummy. Can't quite explain it, but it's too agreeable in a way that doesn't feel like it aims to solve. I'm usually pretty good at these feel reads.

Actually like this vote for more than just pressure.

For whatever reason, this entire fucking post strikes me as scummy. I can explain it, because I am a townsperson. I do not oversell myself because that's no bueno.

Actually I'm gonna ##vote Byz

I agree that Byz overselling themselves is weird, but it comes off more as rambling than feeling forced to find a reason. It doesn't sound like he has a filter.

Step 3

Their entire ISO read like someone trying to attach themselves to Byz. It reads as overly protective of the slot.

It feels like they are trying to attach themselves early on. I think if Celaph is woof Byz isn't.

I just don't like that they have exactly 10 posts and 7 of them are

"LOOK AT BYZ BYZ IS TOWN LOOK AT HOW THEY TOWN SLIP"

[Princess Neon]

Well-being and self-care aren't things i do. Moderation isn't in my vocabulary. Sleep-deprivation is life.

When I write quests on Sufficient Velocity, I camp in the thread all day, but there I at least can flag myself invisible and lurk in the thread potentially asleep without everyone watching me be all lowkey creepy. Sorry if my lurking in the thread is kinda creepy. (I actually find it creepy but don't care enough to stop)

Reported because I'm in this comment and I don't like it

I saw Rumi's red text weeb disclaimer earlier, forgive me for wanting to clarify, Sabi invited both you and Rumi to join this game, right?

Me yes. I can't speak for Rumi but I believe they've said they were invited by the host

[pyxxy]

Vecna, Bona, Eden, you're three people I would want to read this post

Now that Sabi is gone, this series of posts from them intrigued me:

Neon is town but I will let yall figure that out but I swear to God if you scare her off I will send you to the shadow relm.

I veto any D1 kill in neon. Find someone else

Here's neons games

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/34404

Under neon abrigal

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/35368

One is town, one is mafia.

I regret inviting new people here

Why? They've been doing really well.

Just worried about worcej scaring them off.

Rumi if the game isn't begin by fun or affecting you mentally, you can take breaks from it till you feel better. People take breaks all the time. You don't have to camp in the thread all day.

Neon, brainbomb is moth on mu

I expect Sabi have genuine and strong concern for the new players having a good first experience in webdip mafia.

But it feels like an unbalanced reaction between defending Neon vs. caring about Rumi? It just feels like Sabi is treating the two new webdippees differently.

Rumi feels like an afterthought to keep up appearances

[Vecna]

Eden has a point, and I've pointed this out. You're trying to save Eden's slot, but you're voting for eden. That doesn't actually say "Save your slot" at all and isn't doing anything to deesclaate this discusison.

I'm voting him because I'm frustrated with the bad faith attacks on my play style. I can always change my vote.

So basically, you're retalitaory voting against someone who has a subjective opinion of you that you disapprove of, but good news, you'll change your vote when they change their opnion?

antagonistic. adding fuel to a grease fire?