M1015 - Super Mafioso Bros

[bozotheclown]

What you're saying is what I mean by "natural" - digging through the game and using the data to get a result. I think an analytically driven conclusion is natural. I was trying to say that I think bozo picked groups of people first, then looked for reasons to connect them - hence going "backwards."

That may be true about the Vecna claim, but I had already suspected you,
summit, and rdrivera as a possible scum team, and particularly you and summit as scum partners. My suspicion of you and summit is based on you not following through with voting for summit D2 after summit became a bigger wagon, your and summit's avoidance of the HR wagon, and summit town reading HR and HB D2 without trying to identify any scum alternative.

I said I would consider sheeping Vecna but in the end still went with my stronger scumread. I don't see why I should have followed through on that just because Vecna was basically townclear.

I have never intentionally avoid the HR wagon - again, I've had stronger scumreads. Summit ended D2 on HR when voting for Hamilton would have been more likely to save himselve, so I'm not sure why you keep saying he's avoiding the HR wagon.

On a related note, why does it seem like you're avoiding the Hamilton wagon?

It seems suspicious you would consider voting for summit when he had 1 vote but then choose not to vote for him when he had 3 votes. It seems like scum distancing.

This post makes it sound like you were intentionally avoiding the HR wagon:

##vote jamie

Any concerns about the HR wagon, aside from it's the majority?

I'm suspicious of HR and I think he's a good wagon, but yeah I don't think everyone piling on is very helpful.

As for the people on the wagon: I think Jamie and bozo (to a lesser extent) are suspicious, I very strongly townread Vecna, Macca seems a bit overwhelmed and is null to me, and my scumread of rdr has softened considerably. So I guess it's not too bad.

It is not true that summit would have been more likely to save himself by voting for HB. If Vecna had not changed his vote to HB immediately before bo_sox had made his announced move to summit, HB would have had only 2 votes while summit would have had 4 and HR 3. summit putting HR at 4 votes made sure he would be no more than tied with HR unless someone other than Vecna and bo_sox voted for him. bo_sox's move back to HB was after summit's vote for HR. Then, rdrivera tried to kill HB but was late with his vote.

[bozotheclown]

What you're saying is what I mean by "natural" - digging through the game and using the data to get a result. I think an analytically driven conclusion is natural. I was trying to say that I think bozo picked groups of people first, then looked for reasons to connect them - hence going "backwards."

That may be true about the Vecna claim, but I had already suspected you,
summit, and rdrivera as a possible scum team, and particularly you and summit as scum partners. My suspicion of you and summit is based on you not following through with voting for summit D2 after summit became a bigger wagon, your and summit's avoidance of the HR wagon, and summit town reading HR and HB D2 without trying to identify any scum alternative.

I said I would consider sheeping Vecna but in the end still went with my stronger scumread. I don't see why I should have followed through on that just because Vecna was basically townclear.

I have never intentionally avoid the HR wagon - again, I've had stronger scumreads. Summit ended D2 on HR when voting for Hamilton would have been more likely to save himselve, so I'm not sure why you keep saying he's avoiding the HR wagon.

On a related note, why does it seem like you're avoiding the Hamilton wagon?

I forgot the last question, it seems like I am avoiding the HB wagon because I am avoiding the HB wagon, because I think he is town.

[bozotheclown]

I don't understand how you came to this conclusion.

I don't understand what you don't understand. I think the natural scumhunting process is to read through the game and then come up with a conclusion. I think it's backwards to come up with a conclusion first and then find things in the game that support that conclusion.

Oh - you don't understand how I came to that conclusion about bozo?

Because he linked me with two other people who vocally noticed Vecna's claim (skipping over Macca, who I do think also noticed) when that's the most NAI thing I can think of. He did address this by saying he has other reasons to suspect summit and I, but why add rdr? Because I didn't get rdr's joke on D1?

That is not the reason I added rdrivera as the most likely third, which I think you know.

[bozotheclown]

I think macca also noticed the claim, although it's not clear to me if he knew what it was since he just asked for clarification.

And yes, I think it was ridiculous to even consider that the mafia ended with their kill on damo, and even moreso to suggest mafia didn't order any kill at all.

I don't see why HR/bo/Jamie couldn't have been pretending not to see the claim. I was very hung up on Jamie overlooking it but maybe it doesn't make sense for him to have been so insistent about that as scum. I can see zero reasons why scum!HR and scum!bo couldn't have reacted the way they did. They largely ignored it and that does seem a lot safer than Jamie's reaction.

I question whether any of HR/bo_sox/Jamie would both speculate that damo was the mafia target and pretend to miss Vecna's claim just to look like they did not know that the mafia hit Vecna D1, but it is possible.

Really? Didn't you spend an *entire day* pushing me entirely because of that?!

Yes, I believe I may have been mistaken.

[bozotheclown]

I think my kgray/summit/rdrivera theory fits fairly well, unless some combination of HR, bo_sox, and Jamie are openly defending each other and/or bussing HB.

[bozotheclown]

Or maybe I am completely wrong and HB and Macca have me fooled.

[Durga]

VOTE COUNT

Hamilton Brian (6): rdrivera2005, Hellenic Riot*, kgray, bo_sox48, Jamiet99uk, Macca573
Hellenic Riot (1): Hamilton Brian
summit_fever (1): bozotheclown
Macca573 (1): summit_fever

*Denotes end vote.

Hamilton Brian is in mortal peril. Day 3 ends in 35 mins

[bozotheclown]

Out of kgray, summit, and rdrivera, I think summit is the most suspicious independent of the others, but I would vote for either of the other 2.

[Jamiet99uk]

Or maybe I am completely wrong and HB and Macca have me fooled.

So you suddenly think I'm town?

[kgray]

That may be true about the Vecna claim, but I had already suspected you,
summit, and rdrivera as a possible scum team, and particularly you and summit as scum partners. My suspicion of you and summit is based on you not following through with voting for summit D2 after summit became a bigger wagon, your and summit's avoidance of the HR wagon, and summit town reading HR and HB D2 without trying to identify any scum alternative.

I said I would consider sheeping Vecna but in the end still went with my stronger scumread. I don't see why I should have followed through on that just because Vecna was basically townclear.

I have never intentionally avoid the HR wagon - again, I've had stronger scumreads. Summit ended D2 on HR when voting for Hamilton would have been more likely to save himselve, so I'm not sure why you keep saying he's avoiding the HR wagon.

On a related note, why does it seem like you're avoiding the Hamilton wagon?

It seems suspicious you would consider voting for summit when he had 1 vote but then choose not to vote for him when he had 3 votes. It seems like scum distancing.

This post makes it sound like you were intentionally avoiding the HR wagon:

Any concerns about the HR wagon, aside from it's the majority?

I'm suspicious of HR and I think he's a good wagon, but yeah I don't think everyone piling on is very helpful.

As for the people on the wagon: I think Jamie and bozo (to a lesser extent) are suspicious, I very strongly townread Vecna, Macca seems a bit overwhelmed and is null to me, and my scumread of rdr has softened considerably. So I guess it's not too bad.

It is not true that summit would have been more likely to save himself by voting for HB. If Vecna had not changed his vote to HB immediately before bo_sox had made his announced move to summit, HB would have had only 2 votes while summit would have had 4 and HR 3. summit putting HR at 4 votes made sure he would be no more than tied with HR unless someone other than Vecna and bo_sox voted for him. bo_sox's move back to HB was after summit's vote for HR. Then, rdrivera tried to kill HB but was late with his vote.

(1) Saying I was willing to sheep Vecna wasn't about summit, it was about Vecna, and there were 30 minutes left in the day when I said that. I switched to Hamilton at 7 without really thinking about what Vecna was doing.

(2) I did not see the point of joining the HR wagon when it was so far ahead.

(3) Yeah, I think you're right about summit's vote. For some reason I though he was voting to save himself but I looked back at the bot and his expatiation afterwards, and I was wrong.

[Durga]

5 mins left, no change in VC

[bozotheclown]

Is no one else even here?

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE kgray

[Hellenic Riot]

*waves*

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE rdrivera

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE summit

[kgray]

Is no one else even here?

I am here

[bozotheclown]

If HB is scum, his partners must be bussing him.

[Hellenic Riot]

If HB is scum, his partners must be bussing him.

Good job ruling out yourself and summit

[bozotheclown]

Although I suppose HB and summit could still be partners.