MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[FlaviusAetius]

I'm confused. I don't understand why someone would fakeclaim Jekyll.

I think their both mafia, and freaked out after their leader died, but maybe its different mafia, I dont really know, what I do know though is that Hyde wins with mafia, they would want to keep him a live, this is ridiciulous that they would target the doctor, these plebs are both lying guranteed

[FlaviusAetius]

Starting the game on this weekend is pretty bad to me I don't have time to play decently. And I will probably be offline at EOD.

Right now I got solid towny vibes from Dargo and emc. Bunny and Xorxes had good moments but they could be hunting the other faction. And I think Chaqa is really Jekkil.

I don't like the Bob "claim" thing and justification, looks a lot like Ezio last game. I still don't like Damo, it's a bit of OMGUS but I have a feeling I might've hit something to get him to be so defensive to the point of voting me. I have also a weird feeling about Temasek too, but it's about tone.

As Bob is already receiving pressure ##vote Damo

This is the post Tom was referring to. I can see rivera as Bob's teammate posting this, but I can also see town rivera posting this. I also voted for Computer because Bob's wagon was too big and had no competition even though I had some suspicion of Bob, so I don't really fault rivera for trying to start another wagon. Voting for some other wagon that already had some traction would have been more effective, but maybe he didn't like any of the alternatives. So, not enough for me to vote for rivera today.

In any case we need to sort this ND/Chaqa mess.

So why didnt YOU try to start another wagon? I thought you were suppose to be the 'solver guy' seems like your doing a lot of following now ontop of that instead of going for Bob which although weak, YES had SOME merits to it, you went to a guy who was AFK...great going my guy, great going. What a load of nonsense

[FlaviusAetius]

You mafia bastards really thought it would be that easy?

Come on now. I am a LITERAL GOD BITCHES

Anyway, now that my amusement is over may as well do this. Chaqa is lying 100% I day targeted myself and deliberately softed so many crumbs to act as a lightning rod. My role is a detriment. I didn't intend to live long and wanted to take as much heat and potentially mitigate as many night actions onto myself as I could night 1

Well ND has completely changed.
Also Vecna was making a bit more sense in the night posts.

I told you, ND isn't like this, I even said it and no one listened(mafia probably did) that ND was WAYYYY too over the top here, he wasnt acting like himself not one bit...and now I forget whoever said this is normal ND, either doesnt actually know who ND is, or is a bad faith actor

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote chaqa

##end

So what was scum!Chaqa trying to accomplish?

Honestly man, I couldn't tell you. Part of the low iq Chaqa thing was well just me being an ass; part of it was I genuinely surprised he was claiming my role D1. But I did focus on him for a reason. He was fake claiming. I don't really know what his game is, but I'm sure he will talk about it in the god thread or after the game. I am as interested to know as you.

Or maybe you are fakeclaiming him? Its one or the other, and thats the question of the day. You just claiming one ridiculous scenario happened makes literally no sense
What is curious though, is if mafia really were scared of Hyde, then why didnt they roleblock Chaqa? If Chaqa's claim was true of course. Seems you noticed that immediately and jumped on that opportunity...
But there was A LOT of potential for NK's to happen, are you seriously telling me everyone decided to NK you? A role that is suppose to be helpful to mafia?

Im honestly not buying it

[FlaviusAetius]

I put a little trap in my post by purposefully confusing who Tom had replaced. The fact Frost doesn't realize this indicates to me he isn/t paying super close attention to the game, which is actually a town tell to me.

Yeah, thought something was off lol. Since I'm moving out of my dormitory for Thanksgiving break and the general annoyingness of dynamic programming/heteronuclear molecular orbitals/integrals/number theory congruences they're all messing with my brain, probably why I missed it. tbh in other games of mafia generally my town playstyle is a lot quieter than my mafia one, since in general people think of mafia as trying to stay in the shadows and town as trying to confirm themselves.

Still a little confused about the votes for Chaqa. He's all but confirmed. Very confused as to whether ND is trying to get himself killed, I don't like his playstyle.

##VOTE ND

I dont think we should need to decide today, its not going to help, and the real Dr. Jekyll still has one more day to do things, and is LIKELY going to be NKed this night anyways, their not wasting an NK to not end up offing Dr. Jekyll. I think its about time we move on, from this absolute nonsense, there is literally no reason for us to go after a possible Dr. Jekyll until DAY 3, so how about we all lay off and chill out

[FlaviusAetius]

Hyde would not target you unless he wanted to withhold his NK, so even if both scum teams targeted you, Hyde's kill must have been blocked by another method.

Hyde DID NOT kill last night. In my message I was told I was RB, NK targeted, and that Hyde didn't kill anyone.

Didn't kill or didn't try to kill?

he definetly tried to kill what

[bo_sox48]

I don't understand this setup and I'm not going to spend my night trying to figure it out, but as I see it, we lynch both of these two in the next two days.

ORRRRRRRRRR we lynch outside of these two and actually learn something today.


I don't really care, personally.

Any suggestions? Frost? Hosu? I doubt we can get a wagon going

I don't even know who Frost and Hosu are lol

[FlaviusAetius]

Anyway, now that my amusement is over may as well do this. Chaqa is lying 100% I day targeted myself and deliberately softed so many crumbs to act as a lightning rod. My role is a detriment. I didn't intend to live long and wanted to take as much heat and potentially mitigate as many night actions onto myself as I could night 1

##Unvote

This is getting interesting now...

fake crumbing is a thing you know that right

[FlaviusAetius]

xorx - what makes ND's claim hard to believe?

Chaqa's claim mostly I suppose.

In the scenario where ND is Jekyll, Chaqa's hardclaim makes little sense.
In the scenario where Chaqa is Jekyll, ND's claim makes even less sense.

I'm not sure why you believe Chaqa's more than ND's unless you think ND is completely bonkers.

literally no reason to fakeclaim a role day 1

[FlaviusAetius]

I didn’t think to mention the message that Hyde didn’t kill because it was obvious that no one died. Come on now, you can do better than that, ND.

If I were fake claiming, why wouldn’t Hyde have just killed ME?

ND is full of crap.

why didnt you mention you got RBed when you said you saved yourself, the GM's said you would of been notified, but you didnt notify us

[FlaviusAetius]

Chaqa's claim mostly I suppose.

In the scenario where ND is Jekyll, Chaqa's hardclaim makes little sense.
In the scenario where Chaqa is Jekyll, ND's claim makes even less sense.

I'm not sure why you believe Chaqa's more than ND's unless you think ND is completely bonkers.

I don't believe one more than the other. I'm completely baffled by whoever is lying.

What if their BOTH lying?

[FlaviusAetius]

Because I'm doing a vaporwave post while I catch up

That's almost like a scumslip.

How's that? I loved watching him catch up posting while he read even though everyone else already knew what was coming. Was great! I got to watch his reactions live to things we'd already considered.

Anyways, I miss the guy, and I have literally no idea what scumslip you could possibly be talking about. I haven't forgotten about you. You're still on my shitlist for later. Just more interesting characters today.

I do that too :p and I recommend everyone do it

[FlaviusAetius]

I didn’t think to mention the message that Hyde didn’t kill because it was obvious that no one died. Come on now, you can do better than that, ND.

If I were fake claiming, why wouldn’t Hyde have just killed ME?

ND is full of crap.

I have no idea why Hyde did not kill last night. I'm not the outside controller. All I know is that he did not.

I seriously don't know what game you are playing man. But, it's over for you and you must realize that. If I am lynched today all you do is take my day doc save that I can't use on myself today out of the equation. That is a minor victory for your team, sure, but you sacrifice yourself to do it. Either you are a useless mafia role and set yourself up solely for this task or you have completely stumbled into a no-win situation.

You would have to know the real Jekyll would claim before D3 because even though the day save is powerful as I have already demonstrated it's not worth potentially losing another town player every odd night with the multitude of potential kills that can happen.

And he knows that thats why he was up front about it and wanted to be lynched day 3, and you say you were all after chaqa the entire day 1, well thats just false, I dont remember you attacking Chaqa at all, maybe a comment here or there but nothing substansive, and why would you? it was already decided chaqa was clear until day 3, why would you immediately counter claim it would of been an EASY mafia kill...but instead you let us have a BIGGGG luck kill at the end of day 1

[FlaviusAetius]

fwiw, I think I believe ND over Chaqa. Though still working through any motivation Chaqa would have to do so.

Sigh...ND is more convincing at the moment. And Chaqa was a lousy "townclear leader" in D1 but I cannot conceive of why anyone would falseclaim Jeckyl.

I can conceive of why someone would false CC Jeckyl.

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[FlaviusAetius]

On an hour and a half to sober up on a bus ride home I realize my GM calls were fucking dumb and jack didn’t get a chance to kill last night. I’m an idiot.

Conversely, anyone voting ND or Chaqa right now is FUCKING STUPID.

Hyde doesn’t kill N2. Make the scum sort that shit out.

AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[FlaviusAetius]

I didn’t think to mention the message that Hyde didn’t kill because it was obvious that no one died. Come on now, you can do better than that, ND.

If I were fake claiming, why wouldn’t Hyde have just killed ME?

ND is full of crap.

Did you get targeted last night?

Can you be more specific?

My best bet is that Hyde targeted me, which was protected by my self-heal. As to why he would do this... I have no idea.

Hyde targetted you...HOW DOES HYDE KILL HIMSELF

[FlaviusAetius]

I'm going to take a few hours and relax. Let's get more people on to weigh in and wait for the inevitable secon counter-claim, because that would be hilarious.

Also - am I the only one who had no idea Jack's kill was even-nights? I completely missed that.

Me too

[FlaviusAetius]

My hot take on the J&H claims is either

A) Chaqa is the strongman

Or

B) ND is the team 2 goon

And (A) fits the current narrative better.

Regardless, still voting frost. Gonna ride or die this tunnel atm.

<3 move to bosox your the only other sane person who hasnt gone off the rails and decided to risk killing jekyll when we dont even need too

[FlaviusAetius]

just noticed im not voting for bosox woops ##vote bo_sox

[FlaviusAetius]

Sorry, what?

You don't want to see one of them flip sooner rather than later? You don't care to figure out why one is lying?

I mean, in general we have 6/21 odds of finding a scum. Right now, I give it 1/2 between them. And the other is Jeckyl that many (INCLUDING BOTH CHAQ AND ND) believe is no big loss to town to lose.

You’re advocating risking a mislynch of a town or in a multimafia game. The lying member is a member of one of those teams, and conversely can’t harm town until N3. There is not a reason to waste a lynch when it isn’t needed yet. Shit, I said day one jekell and Hyde was A day three lynch

In addition, if kills happen N2, and we send the guilty party to the rope, they will have the option (dear both scum teams, hear me out) of revealing who their team killed to town to try to help catch the other scumteam.

Yes. Yes I am. If you think our lynch rate is going to be 100%, then I have some bad news for you.

On the other hand, we can learn something big here. We can dig their ISOs, their arguments, etc. And somebody is lying.

Why would scum ever want to sort this out for us? They want Jeckyl around. They want the other scum around until town thins out.

Which makes me wonder why he was targetted in the first place, but now that he has there is no way they are letting him save himself again, they are going to try to kill him this is a fact, so theres LITERALLY no reason to go after a potential Jekyll, just ignore both