WebMafia Olympics - Game #2 - Star Trek TNG: The Republic of Q [GAME THREAD]

[Chaqa]

How could we coordinate making Eden DS.

Proposal.

Eden determines the order of who we vote for, say

Me
Will
Flav
Chaqa
TFB
Gbomb

After everyone votes for me we mone on to the next person.

Any detractor or delayer gets bumped to top of list.

Thoughts? Especially Eden

What benefit does this give us? How does it stop mafia from messing with things?

Seems likes a way to slow things down and cause a better opportunity for fuckery.

[Chaqa]

##call GM

How does end votes work in this setup?

A majority of End votes on a candidate will result in an End.

##Call GM can you clarify what this means?

Since we can multi-vote, does this mean one would need to do: (@ in place of #):
@@END damo
@@END Will

Or is just a singular @@END enough?

As you say a majority of ends "on a candidate"

[damo666]

How could we coordinate making Eden DS.

Proposal.

Eden determines the order of who we vote for, say

Me
Will
Flav
Chaqa
TFB
Gbomb

After everyone votes for me we mone on to the next person.

Any detractor or delayer gets bumped to top of list.

Thoughts? Especially Eden

What benefit does this give us? How does it stop mafia from messing with things?

Seems likes a way to slow things down and cause a better opportunity for fuckery.

OK I'm kinda out of ideas now.

[damo666]

I think Will is town. I am town. So if it's just the pair of us who are DKd I think scum have won.

So even though I think Flav is town I wam prepared to vore him if he looks like being the only possible third candidate since from mpov there is slightly more chance of scum in {Will, Flav} than {Will} alone.

However having said that I'd prefer TFB as third man, failing that Chaqa.

I will be off line from about T-6 (pub poker) but hope to be back on for EOD though I cannot gtee and if there is a lot to catch up on I probably won't be able. I'll just look at the last available vote count and do what I think best. My town to scum ranking is as follows:

Damo
Eden
Gbomb
Will
Flav
Chaqa
TFB

[President Eden]

I’m actually more worried about coordination errors than scum screwing up the DS plan. I think it’s a good plan if we had more time, and if we somehow got everyone on board quickly enough. But it only takes one person early in the chain just not showing back up til an hour to EOD to screw everything up.

[Jamiet99uk]

##call GM

How does end votes work in this setup?

A majority of End votes on a candidate will result in an End.

##Call GM can you clarify what this means?

Since we can multi-vote, does this mean one would need to do: (@ in place of #):
@@END damo
@@END Will

Or is just a singular @@END enough?

As you say a majority of ends "on a candidate"

GM NOTE:
You only have one Endvote.
If you use it, it applies to all of the votes you have cast.
If one wagon has a majority of votes with "End" on them, the phase will end.

[Chaqa]

Alright cool. So we need 4 end votes, presumably from:
- Myself
- Eden
- TFB
- Flavius

or Glitter if she joins the Damo/Will wagons.

@Eden I will be around all day more or less, so I think we should start harvesting end ballots from the others so we can ensure no scum fuckery.

[President Eden]

I can’t promise I’ll be checking the thread constantly, so I’ll put my thoughts out here.

• I still believe the double kill of damo/Will is the safest option here
• If enough consensus emerges on a triple kill so we can prevent scum shenanigans, I am open to it. Just wary of the possibility that something fucky happens while I’m working lol.
• Regarding WHO that third should be… Flavius is still my best shot. Chaqa is a distant second, but I will say for the record, he’s distinctly far enough ahead of GlitterBomb and TFB that I will make Chaqa the third kill over them. Again, I REALLY think it should just be damo/Will or damo/Will/Flav if we do three. But my preferences are strong enough that I would act to prevent what I think would be an obvious miskill on GB/TFB. Please don’t put me in that spot and just vote damo/Will/optionally add Flav lol. I can’t fathom us shooting all three of damo/Will/Flav and completely missing. It’s at least somewhat fathomable if we start randomly shooting obvtowns instead.

[President Eden]

Xposted.

We probably should start getting endvotes in yea. I would like to see some commitment from Flavius first. I think I’m willing to spare him and only double kill if he locks in early and plays ball.

[damo666]

Xposted.

We probably should start getting endvotes in yea. I would like to see some commitment from Flavius first. I think I’m willing to spare him and only double kill if he locks in early and plays ball.

Don't be daft. If Flav is scum and Will isn't he'll end you'll all follow and town will have lost.

##vote Flav

I'm doing this simply because I'd rather Flav accompany me and Will than me and Will alone but I honestly think you've been had. Probably by TFB and Chaqa. But hopefully it's TFB plus one of Flav/Will.

Ofc it could be you in which case you've almost certainly won anyway.

If one of Will/Flav flips scum (say Flav by way of example) I would be most surprised if the NK is not gbomb. This leaves an F3 of TFB Chaqa Eden - good luck!

[Chaqa]

Xposted.

We probably should start getting endvotes in yea. I would like to see some commitment from Flavius first. I think I’m willing to spare him and only double kill if he locks in early and plays ball.

Don't be daft. If Flav is scum and Will isn't he'll end you'll all follow and town will have lost.

##vote Flav

I'm doing this simply because I'd rather Flav accompany me and Will than me and Will alone but I honestly think you've been had. Probably by TFB and Chaqa. But hopefully it's TFB plus one of Flav/Will.

Ofc it could be you in which case you've almost certainly won anyway.

If one of Will/Flav flips scum (say Flav by way of example) I would be most surprised if the NK is not gbomb. This leaves an F3 of TFB Chaqa Eden - good luck!

You do understand there is no way to guarantee a 3-kill now, right?

[Chaqa]

The only way we can make it work is if you, Flav, and Will all vote for the other 2.

[Jamiet99uk]

Captain's log, supplemental. A shuttlecraft piloted by Lt. Commander Data launched at 14:00 hours, local time, attempting to land on Ophiuchus II. In low planetary orbit, it encountered what appears to be an invisible force-field, and was unable to proceed. Data has returned to the Enterprise unharmed.

The life signs of the away team are being monitored, however the signals are baffling. Their numbers appear to be fluctuating and interacting with the signatures of the other humanoids on the surface. I am sure that Commander Riker and his team remain alive, and we continue in our efforts to reach them.

Vote Count 2.4

Damo (4) - TheFlyingBoat, President Eden, Chaqa, FlaviusAetius
JustaGuyNamedWill (4) - TheFlyingBoat, President Eden, Chaqa, FlaviusAetius
FlaviusAetius (3) - President Eden, TheFlyingBoat, Damo666
Chaqa (2) - FlaviusAetius, Damo666
TheFlyingBoat (1) - Damo666
Glitterbomb (1) - JustAGuyNamedWill

It remains the case that DAMO and WILL are scheduled for filing.

A little under 7 hours remain.

[President Eden]

Xposted.

We probably should start getting endvotes in yea. I would like to see some commitment from Flavius first. I think I’m willing to spare him and only double kill if he locks in early and plays ball.

Don't be daft. If Flav is scum and Will isn't he'll end you'll all follow and town will have lost.

##vote Flav

I'm doing this simply because I'd rather Flav accompany me and Will than me and Will alone but I honestly think you've been had. Probably by TFB and Chaqa. But hopefully it's TFB plus one of Flav/Will.

Ofc it could be you in which case you've almost certainly won anyway.

If one of Will/Flav flips scum (say Flav by way of example) I would be most surprised if the NK is not gbomb. This leaves an F3 of TFB Chaqa Eden - good luck!

That’s a fair point actually. I recognize I’m discounting potential mafia teams of TFB/Chaqa, TFB/GB, and Chaqa/GB. I’m fine with that—I simply cannot fathom a world where zero of you/Will/Flav are scum. If we’re somehow in one then I’m sorry for blowing it (but my regret is blunted considerably by the fact that you put us in this spot lol).

I’m also fine discounting Flav/GB and Flav/TFB. But I’m probably not fine discounting Flav/Chaqa tbh. If we really are wrong about damo AND Will, then it’s almost got to be those two IMO.

So we probably should make the third kill either Flav or Chaqa and we probably should triple kill after all. My STRONG preference is Chaqa.

[President Eden]

Errrrr I meant Flavius LOL.

My strong preference is FLAVIUS, the guy I am CURRENTLY VOTING

[Chaqa]

I suppose if we get *everyone* to vote for the top 3 it would also work.
Green => already cast votes
Red => votes we would need cast

Damo (4) - TheFlyingBoat, President Eden, Chaqa, FlaviusAetius, JustaGuyNamedWill, Glitterbomb
JustaGuyNamedWill (4) - TheFlyingBoat, President Eden, Chaqa, FlaviusAetius, Damo666, Glitterbomb
FlaviusAetius (3) - President Eden, TheFlyingBoat, Damo666, JustaGuyNamedWill, Glitterbomb, Chaqa
Chaqa (2) - FlaviusAetius, Damo666
TheFlyingBoat (1) - Damo666
Glitterbomb (1) - JustAGuyNamedWill


@Eden: What do you think about this? Then the only way to fuck it up is if people cast off-wagon votes, which would require more votes than mafia controls.

[Chaqa]

I made us a flowchart: https://i.imgur.com/ZbI8zyS.png

[damo666]

I suppose if we get *everyone* to vote for the top 3 it would also work.
Green => already cast votes
Red => votes we would need cast

Damo (4) - TheFlyingBoat, President Eden, Chaqa, FlaviusAetius, JustaGuyNamedWill, Glitterbomb
JustaGuyNamedWill (4) - TheFlyingBoat, President Eden, Chaqa, FlaviusAetius, Damo666, Glitterbomb
FlaviusAetius (3) - President Eden, TheFlyingBoat, Damo666, JustaGuyNamedWill, Glitterbomb, Chaqa
Chaqa (2) - FlaviusAetius, Damo666
TheFlyingBoat (1) - Damo666
Glitterbomb (1) - JustAGuyNamedWill


@Eden: What do you think about this? Then the only way to fuck it up is if people cast off-wagon votes, which would require more votes than mafia controls.

If gbomb is scum we're pretty screwed as she has so much control. Let's assume she's not. Currently there's no way Will will vote me and vice versa. Chaqa if you vote Flav it will be 4-4-4 and Flav has already voted both Will and me so he can do nothing. Then only reason Will would vote me would be if he is scum and vice versa in which case we would lose 1 town but have one confirmed scum going into d3 at 3-2 which is effectively the same as 3-1.

Conclusion:

Chaqa votes Flav and nobody does anything else other than "end". Make sense?

Yes, that's it Chaqa votes Flav and shut up shop. Even if Chaqa is scum I think he has to comply. Non-compliance is virtually an admission of guilt.

[damo666]

@Chaqa if you vote Flav I will endvote. Promise.

[President Eden]

From my POV, the possible pairs we lose to by voting only damo/Will are:

Flav/Chaqa
Flav/TFB
Flav/GB
TFB/Chaqa
TFB/GB
Chaqa/GB

Flav doesn’t make any sense with those pairs except Chaqa. And personally I just don’t think TFB or GB are it. Flav/Chaqa does make some sense if I’m assuming Will and damo are town.

So to me, any third shot needs to be within Flav/Chaqa. I prefer Flav