Mafia 1016: America's Past-Crime [HIDDEN]

[dargorygel]

I'd like it if everyone would rank the 5 suspects in order.

The 5 suspects being Bona, Celaph, Durga, Kgray, Vecna.

(Look Maniac I put them in alphabetical order again)

We know there there are 1-3 scum in this group. So everyone's opinion on which of them is most likely, or least likely, to be scum, would be useful.

Durga, Bonatogether, Vecna, celaph, kgray

Thanks.

So far only you and Kgray have answered this.

You both put Durga at #1.

Durga continues to do sweet fuck all to help town. She said she'd read up and participate, and she hasn't done that.

Bye Durga.

I answered it, twice

[kgray]

Did he? Where? Last time I was alive in the endgame I miskilled bozo and let Chaqa embarrass the shit out of me

maybe im misremembering. if so, im sure bozo will properly chastise me shortly.

I do not think I ever said that in a scum QT, the only time I ever remember arguing against NKing kgray was when I was fairly certain I would get hit with a bomb.

bozostradamus

[kgray]

I don't think bona is scummy though? Why do people think bona is scummy?

Rivera really doesn't want to answer this question, and I can't be his spokesperson if I don't know what he's thinking.

[Bonatogether]

I wasn't asking you but why?

Scum don't group that brazenly

Does your opinion on the matter change given that they have a day chat?

No

[Durga]

so not to be that guy, but we only have 24 hours to decide so treat this moment as if its day one in a big game and 56 pages of content got deleted by the mods and you gotta make a hard decision.

I think vecna will post late tonight as he tends to do if were lucky and hes town. in which case we should talk and give him things to read.

yeah so far im not impressed. how can I obv town with only 5 pages to over?

Have you obv towned yet?

[Durga]

So what did BunnyGo do with the online status last game that was considered questionable? I changed my online status to hidden for the first time after reading Jamie's "Who is Online" thread.

BunnyGo did nothing wrong. What happened was, he was aware of the fucking stupid "Who is online" thing, while several others were unaware of its existence. Bunny, using the information in "who is online" began saying things like "oho I can see Vecna is online and he's typing a PM, he must be sending a night action!" and some other players initially reacted as if Bunny was hacking into the system or something.

The Who Is Online feature is silly, stupid and pointless, however my call for it to be removed was opposed by several Mafia players, some of whom are in this game too, so obviously nobody gave a shit about what I thought.

Since this is now the second time I feel like you're shading me regarding this topic, I'd like to point out that I never said that what Bunny did should be against the rules. I don't think it was unethical, I think it was stupid. There's obviously a difference, and if we ban stupid things then we wouldn't be able to play. And I didn't oppose your call for it to be removed, I opposed your claim that the feature was an invasion of privacy.

Wow lol, what did I miss...

[Durga]

I don't think curling was ever played here in Brasil. I just thought on the second most boring game I can remember....

Rivera is officially NOT my spokesperson this game. Curling isn't boring at all! It's silly and hilarious.

I never played curling (no ice here), it's probably funny as you say. But watching it at Winter Olympics is painfully boring (almost as boring as baseball).

This said, I always thought YOU was MY spokesperson and not the contrary.

rdr's posts so far have been about a) saying brain is different and b) curling?

[bozotheclown]

Oh I love your last point. You get townpoints for that. Do you think it's something town me would do?

Absolutely.

I feel like a lot of these town points I'm getting are because I said something you agreed with in isolation of the point I actually made.

Of course, I'm very self-absorbed and I want people to like me. It's what makes me so easily buddied, as you very well know.

But also, I think your point was nuanced and something that others hadn't brought up. You took it one step farther, from "kgray would do this as scum" to "kgray would do this as scum because it's something she'd do as town" and that's a significantly different observation.

Do you agree you would do anything as scum you would do as town? If so, it invalidates this argument:

I asked damo to explain his reads, and he didn't do that. He wasn't around to answer questions until right near the EOD anyway, and at that point his joke vote on Durga had already gotten ridiculous.

If I were casting around for a townie to miskill, why would I start the damo wagon from nothing? Why not just keep pushing Jamie, bozo, or Durga? They can't all be my teammates.

You would have a big list of potential misskills, yes? Why NOT cast around for as many as you could? If this is what you are doing, casting around offers you the chance to travel down many potential paths. Maybe looking for PR hints? And Durga is under sus as one of your teamates... I sus bozo of being scum, too ... and Jamie... yeah... I do not know why you didn't keep pushing him.

When you played with me and I was scum, did I ever lead a charge on getting a townie miskilled like I just did with damo?

[Durga]

what would make anyone think I am scum with Jamie

If someone is scum out of jaime and brain, its definitely brain.

Why did you think this?

feeling unsettled by
damo
bona (lack of posts)
bozo

Glad to know I'm already being scumread lol

This is pretty defensive given the reasoning is literally lack of posts and all you need to correct it is make posts - and he only said unsettled.

[Durga]

scum jamie blends better than this. he doesnt lead town like he has so far; when scum. and he usually is agreeable and less haughty. scum jamie asks questions which dont lead to more questions. Town Jamie pile drives his penis into your mouth and calls parliament to ask why you havent responded. I dont see Jamie as scum here at all.

Can you not?

Also he's been extremely agreeable this game and you even called him out for it.

I will say I do not feel Jamie is being agreeable in his scum manner

[bozotheclown]

I don't think bona is scummy though? Why do people think bona is scummy?

Rivera really doesn't want to answer this question, and I can't be his spokesperson if I don't know what he's thinking.

##vote bozo for competitive wagons

Bonatogether was justifying his scum motivated votes as keeping that wagons close in the last game, I think he could have been doing that D1 as well.

[Durga]

Maniac is prefabricated and Durga has been present but palpably making no effort to help town or find scum. Give me a better reason to vote for someone other than Durga at this point, if you can?

She hasn't really been that present, though.

I don't like Jamie framing it as if I've been around and useless when I was just busy yesterday

[Durga]

Maniac's blog
1st April 2003.

Game was tense last night. We won at a canter 4-0. Interesting convo with my bestie Jamie T after the game about who he thought might be taking drugs. He seemed disinterested in anything I had to say. This is interesting. If you're taking drugs you want to look out for the people who are on to you or maybe sending concealed messages. Jamie T just wasn't interested and admitted he didn't take any notice of what I was saying.

I'm going to take Jamie T off my suspect list. He is now Jamie Trustworthy to me. I knew a man from the old country wouldn't be involved in drugs and cheating. Plays with a straight bat this guy.

I'm not much further forward in finding a druggy though. We have a team meeting at stupid o'clock which I'm going to have to miss. I'm make my views know before hand though.

Maniac do you have anything useful to say?

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[ghug]

Day 2 Official Vote Count N.0

Durga (6): Bonatogether, Vecna, Maniac, bozotheclown, Jaymet99uk, lfischl
Bonatogether (2): rdrivera2005, dargorygel
celaph (1): kgray

Non-votes: celaph, Durga

Currently, Durga is going, going...

Three hours remain.

[Durga]

ah. Do you think Durga is scum?

the lack of interaction between durga and kgray is weird since they usually enjoy solving together. kgray doesnt even seem to care durga is lurking. I feel like there wouldve been a bigger deal made of durga playing but nobody seems to care lol. Maybe durga is scum but its certainly possible shes deciding if she gives a shit this game

She's not been around, how should I be interacting with her? I clearly expressed that I was glad she was playing in sign ups, but why would I make a big deal of her playing in the game thread when she's not even active?

I'm here now <3 and excited to play with you <3 just don't be scum thx

[Durga]

Celaph are you scum agian?

whats his scum meta????

[Durga]

You think Rivera is towny too? Why?

Not especially, but I think that he makes a decent third. I'd probably put Damo+Bona in the running for that third spot. They all have moderate activity levels and haven't done anything I find particularly objectionable yet.

The other three near them activity level are Bozo, Darg, and me. Some of Bozo's opening questions were weird, Darg hasn't talked since page 6, and I know I'm town.

If I haven't done anything objectonable, why am I in the consideration for the 3rd spot? Seems unreasonable

why do i feel like you're just defending yourself despite not even having votes. what are your reads and thoughts?

[celaph]

I think your last paragraph is a decent summary of my opinion on the matter.

I'm not a particularly big fan of bozo. I think he was a better wagon than either Damo or Durga and I don't recall him saying much of note today so far.

I wouldn't say I scumread Durga, but I see no reason to townread her so far which makes her a higher priority.

If there is a pair I'm looking at it's either you+Vecna or you+Bozo. You+Vecna I think is less likely overall, but more likely with the day chat. I see good reasons to think you're both town but the interactions between you two today felt a little weird. You+Bozo because I think that the damo wagon was just as much a push to save Bozo as it was to save Durga. Again, not as high priority as some of my individual reads, but something in the back of my mind.

In terms of townreads I think darg and Jamie are both up there. Nothing obv-town from them, but they just feel towny to me.

I'm not a huge fan of bozo this game either, but yeah I did want to save him D1. I'm not hiding that.

Why would daychat make Vecna as my partner more likely? Our interactions actually feel very normal to me, which is one reason I'm townreading him.

It feels like you two have been seeing the game rather similarly on most fronts and I think that would be easier to pull off with a line of communication like you had with the masons last game. Again, not particularly likely, but I think it makes it more doable.

[Durga]

Bona seems very concerned about his image, yet he doesn't even seem to understand what people are saying about him.

Oddd.

i agree with this it's like he perks up when he reads his name and i haven't seen much of anything substantive otherwise quite yet.

[celaph]

Celaph are you scum agian?

whats his scum meta????

In the one game of scum I played, failing D1 and then hard buddying kgray EoD2. I'm betting others can give you a more objective view of my play.