M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[Chaqa]

##GM Note:

I will be away from my PC for EoD. EMC will (hopefully) be handling EoD, but if there is a slight delay, it's only because I'll be working from my phone.

[FlaviusAetius]

IMO, mislynching is a worse option if I can prove by claiming that I am a town.

You were just arguing that you couldn't be mafia because claiming this role would ensure your lynch. Now you're saying that claiming your role proves you are town.

Yeah, Flav keeps contradicting himself in a desperate attempt to backpedal out of this hole he's got himself in.

Its my last resort, there was no other way to clear my name, not in good concious please look at my points about damo and Ezio

[TrPrado]

Why did we force him to claim at all? Did people seriously think that stupid "scumslip" was actually a scumslip?

[FlaviusAetius]

Wait, so the idea we're going for is losing the bulletproof D1?

;( yes

[Kitsune]

If you are bulletproof you can't be mislynched today.

Still a waste of a lynch

It confirms you. That is not a waste.

I don't know. Maybe it's my newbishness but I feel that with this target rich an environment and nobody bullet proof except probably the man you're about to lynch that he's more valuable with his armour in the sense of night phases.

We know we don't have a bodyguard because we had a doctor.

We know we don't have a doctor because someone shot him.

Naruto Runner, if Flavius is him, is probably the only person guaranteed to survive a night phase as long as he's armoured up. That makes him an anomaly in an otherwise flat scan, which could attract watchers, infectors, arsonists, role thief (oh!), possible Confused Travolta if it wasn't the Traitor who gunned down Bo, or the Assassin if he happens to be a target. In fact stripping his armour is the only way the Assassin could get him, since he has to fire each bullet before he gets another and he only gets another if his first killed.

Guys, let's give Flavius a day. See what happens and what information we can turn over.

If we have nothing more incriminating at the D2 lynch and I haven't been brutally murdered overnight, we can clear him via lynch then and I'll even throw my vote the same way.

It just feels silly to do it now.

[bozotheclown]

Wait, so the idea we're going for is losing the bulletproof D1?

No, in this setup the bulletproof would survive the lynch.

[FlaviusAetius]

Do we really need to make Flav prove himself?

If he is Naruto Runner, then him being lynched is actually a great thing - we create a town-clear immediately and don't lose a body in the process.

I caught up, grabbed a bite to eat, came back and had 2 more pages to read, aaaah...
This seems legit though. We find if Flav is telling the truth and he can save himself if he is. It will cost the scum an action to eliminate him, which buys us some time to gather more information.

As much as I want to see if Ezio is the Tanner I think I have to jump on the ##vote FlaviusAetius wagon

Your mistaken, mafia wont kill me, I will be here until the end of the game, after I am lynched, I am just a glorified innocent child, every single other role is better to kill than me, mafia will try to kill everyone else but me

[bozotheclown]

Why did we force him to claim at all? Did people seriously think that stupid "scumslip" was actually a scumslip?

yes

[TrPrado]

We've already lost doc, the only saving role we MIGHT have after this is bodyguard, which dies on use, in a game with 2 different NK's every night.

[bozotheclown]

If he is Naruto Runner, then him being lynched is actually a great thing - we create a town-clear immediately and don't lose a body in the process.

I caught up, grabbed a bite to eat, came back and had 2 more pages to read, aaaah...
This seems legit though. We find if Flav is telling the truth and he can save himself if he is. It will cost the scum an action to eliminate him, which buys us some time to gather more information.

As much as I want to see if Ezio is the Tanner I think I have to jump on the ##vote FlaviusAetius wagon

Your mistaken, mafia wont kill me, I will be here until the end of the game, after I am lynched, I am just a glorified innocent child, every single other role is better to kill than me, mafia will try to kill everyone else but me

You would be a town clear, which is very valuable.

[TrPrado]

Wait, so the idea we're going for is losing the bulletproof D1?

No, in this setup the bulletproof would survive the lynch.

I mean losing the single use power of bulletproof

[Ezio]

Why did we force him to claim at all? Did people seriously think that stupid "scumslip" was actually a scumslip?

What would be a better scumslip than someone getting flustered and attempting to keep on their shitty push, and in the process of pushing they use the extra information they have?

It's worse because it's really hard for a townie to say that.

Sometimes you get "scumslips" where someone gets flustered and they say scum when they mean town or whatever, and those are compete horseshit. This one looks to be very different.

[FlaviusAetius]

If you are bulletproof you can't be mislynched today.

Still a waste of a lynch

No it is not and the longer you argue that we should not lynch you, the more likely I believe you are scum or 3p.

Defend yourself? Scum! Dont defend yourself? Scum!
There was no way out with you people, unless I did two things;
1) Made a case that damo was scum, I didnt do that, I didnt believe it, a mafia would of done it
2) Do what TrPrado thought I was doing, and say I was too obsessive over Ezio and jumped in logic because of it, didnt do it because I didnt believe it
I didnt do what a mafia would of done, I didnt take the easy outs, dont lynch me

[Chaqa]

The best way to defend myself was to make a scum case on damo, but I didnt have one, cause he literally hasnt posted enough to make one, and I wont just randomly make a case that I dont believe in

What are you worried about, Flav... you aren't going to die, right? You're giving town a confirmed clear.

##GM CALL

Will Naruto Runner's first death reveal information similar to any other characters 'final' death?

Just a reality check, assuming Flavius' claim is correct, then will we be told his PR (since he wont be dead)?
If not then it's actually an advantage that the Doc is gone. Commuter would have similar results if we're not told the details (and they picked odd).
I'm still looking through all the roles, but I wanted to check on the question above.

##GM Note: if the Naruto Runner is attempted to be attacked by nightkill, there will be no notification except to the Naruto Runner. If the Naruto Runner is shot by a gun, there will be a "A shot rings out!" post with no death listed.

[Vaporwave]

Thing is, if Flav were to be mafia, I think he would have claimed a different role even with the risk of counterclaiming

I find it a bit odd for this to be his fakeclaim, it's not a good one for mafia and him saying it makes everyone want to test it

A mafia knows that town would instantly feel the need to lynch him for proof, he would risk claiming a random role and possible expose a town PR rather than being honest and be killed

Anyway, this is just my personal take.

[dargorygel]

What are you worried about, Flav... you aren't going to die, right? You're giving town a confirmed clear.

##GM CALL

Will Naruto Runner's first death reveal information similar to any other characters 'final' death?

Just a reality check, assuming Flavius' claim is correct, then will we be told his PR (since he wont be dead)?
If not then it's actually an advantage that the Doc is gone. Commuter would have similar results if we're not told the details (and they picked odd).
I'm still looking through all the roles, but I wanted to check on the question above.

##GM Note: if the Naruto Runner is attempted to be attacked by nightkill, there will be no notification except to the Naruto Runner. If the Naruto Runner is shot by a gun, there will be a "A shot rings out!" post with no death listed.

##CALL GM
You seem almost pointedly to be avoiding saying anything about a death by lynch. The Runner is saved from a death by lynch, too, right?

[TrPrado]

Is this scum led or is town just really stupid? Well I'm seeing bozo's name a lot in this discussion so my money is on the former.

[bozotheclown]

Why did we force him to claim at all? Did people seriously think that stupid "scumslip" was actually a scumslip?

What would be a better scumslip than someone getting flustered and attempting to keep on their shitty push, and in the process of pushing they use the extra information they have?

It's worse because it's really hard for a townie to say that.

Sometimes you get "scumslips" where someone gets flustered and they say scum when they mean town or whatever, and those are compete horseshit. This one looks to be very different.

I agree, as scum slips go, saying bo_sox caught a scum looks bad.

[Ezio]

Thing is, if Flav were to be mafia, I think he would have claimed a different role even with the risk of counterclaiming

I find it a bit odd for this to be his fakeclaim, it's not a good one for mafia and him saying it makes everyone want to test it

A mafia knows that town would instantly feel the need to lynch him for proof, he would risk claiming a random role and possible expose a town PR rather than being honest and be killed

Anyway, this is just my personal take.

Counterpoint:
if he was town and actually bulletproof, knowing he was going to be lynched, why would he need to claim anything? I think a townie bulletproof would get to sit there with pressure on his wagon using the time to read and analyze.

As mafia, his best bet is to make a claim that causes people to change. Any
truly unverifiable role will be highly suspect, so he chose the role that was "highly punishing" for us to verify.

It seems to me one of these universes is far more likely than the other.

[e.m.c^42]

##CALL GM
You seem almost pointedly to be avoiding saying anything about a death by lynch. The Runner is saved from a death by lynch, too, right?

##GM Note

Please refer to the roles doc :)

You are the Naruto Runner, the Town Bulletproof! During the day, you participate in the lynch process. You are a member of Memetown. The first time you would be killed, you will instead survive. If a healing or saving action is used on you, it will take priority over your immunity. You win once the Memefia and any hostile third-parties have been eliminated.

There is only a flip for the final death.