M1021 - Blessings of Lilia - GAME THREAD [hidden]

[Maniac]

TL;DR:
Everyone except DeathLlama and maybe Snowy can probably ignore this post.
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<snipping a very long post

This opening screams town to me. Scum want to look busy and useful, here Prxxy is putting a lot of effort into something and asking people not to read it. It seems very genuine.

Prxxy was on my ‘would vote for’ list but is now off it all together. They shouldn’t be a wagon imho.

[celaph]

bona, my border gore enthusiast

Top 3 town reads go

celaph
jamie
kak

not in order

[celaph]

(✧∀✧)/ ATTENTION EVERYONE (✧∀✧)/

(✧∀✧)/
I am now taking bets on if Celaph is going to go 48 straight hours without a post!
(✧∀✧)/

ahhh shoot. I started my wall before the 48 hour mark and posted it afterwards. If only I had seen this I could have decided who won.

[celaph]

bona, my border gore enthusiast

Top 3 town reads go

celaph
jamie
kak

not in order

Why am I one of your top scumreads, and for which reasons?

[Maniac]

Maniac assuming Rdr got an item out, is weird.

That said, if Maniac is scum then I think it's rather likely that they didn't RB rdr and he realized it too late. I don't think that scum RBs rdr and then acts like they forgot that is an options.

It’s a fair point I had assume Rdr had got an item out. But it’s also a fair assumption. It’s not uncommon for scum to edge it’s bets by selecting two different targets for their kill and RB especially D1 when they have limited info.

[Maniac]

I'm afraid this post probably sealed rdr's fate.

What are you seeing in this that is a PR slip? I don't see it.

rdr has a trademark statement that goes "I am 100% vanilla town™"
damo is insinuating that rdr's refusal to make this post revealed he was a PR, which is kind of silly if you ask me
rdr was probably killed because aaro is scum

Looks like I’m wrong about Damo ##unvote

I can’t see scum!Damo knowing he may be an info daykill drawing any attention to a possible reason why scum nightkill rdriveria. Snowy also gets towncred for the same reason.

[aarodactyl]

So I switched to damo since I ranked them as my most likely to vote people.

That is a really unnatural way to write that line. Did you think that someone else was more likely to be scum than Damo? If so, who and why didn't you vote them? And if not, why didn't you just say that you found Damo the scummiest? It just sounds like your actions were based on consistency not on an active read.

I’m very tired and skimming the thread before I pass out. There was a big discussion about how I had a scum rating but also wouldn’t mind voting maniac (who at the time was a town read) because I didn’t mind miskilling them. Someone asked me to make a list of people I would be most willing to vote which would be my scum list adjusted for wanting to avoid certain miskills. That’s why I worded it weirdly.

I saw you had a huge section about me that I haven’t responded to and I will before eod.

[aarodactyl]

In my first game, rdr was PR and was killed N1 iirc. I’m pretty sure Jamie and damo were scum that game (though I think Jamie was a sub?).

Rdr was VT M62. And while Jamie was technically a sub all he missed was like the first 11 hours of D1 so not a substantial loss.

Lol I guess I didn’t remember that game. I’m pretty they voted rdr as pr bunting though so the point vaguely makes sense.

[aarodactyl]

I hate that I’m saying this but I think bona and tfb are both town after that fight. I hate it because it’s all based on vibes but that’s what I got right now. So not going to let my vote sit on tfb. ##vote maniac for now.

Also damo hasn’t done his classic scum tell so he just might be town this game.

[DeathLlama8]

lawp

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So, if damo is town I would agree that there is a lot of scum on that wagon that formed in order to save aaro. But given the way the aaro wagon broke down while the durga wagon rose and the damo wagon only lost a little I would lean to believe the aaro wagon was a bit more questionable and was something pushed by scum early, but of course the dynamics with a mafia that has day chat is a bit different.

Maybe I am alone in my estimation of how difficult it to miskill Durga given the pushback I've gotten on my analysis on how survivalist!damo plays, but I think it's possible he saw the fact that in the over 2 hours from when he cast his vote for aaro to when he switched his votes with 13 mins to go that he realized the aaro wagon had no momentum and he needed to find a new wagon to save himself. I personally think at that point switching onto Maniac is the smarter target.

hm the first point is fair, and I guess taking a wider view of the EOD helps with the wagon analysis. not really convinced that mafia with a day chat acts that differently than normal mafia though, given what happened m1019 when maf got a day chat

and just to be clear, do you think damo is scum independently of maniac's alignment? because this vote seems to be the bulk of the argument you've made against them, but if maniac isn't scum damo choosing town!durga over town!maniac doesn't really mean anything

[DeathLlama8]

1) This is true. Something felt different about damo. Then again it's my second game ever and I really didn't get much time with damo in M73. Given more time and many more messages, I no longer feel sus on damo. I think I stated this earlier.

noted

2) It's my second game ever. If you want to teach me what traditional scumhunting looks like, link me some old games. It's the weekend, I can probably read a few D1s that you think would be instructive.

God I wish Bona would do SIMP analysis again.

During D1 I quoted Bona, Sabi, Durga, Snowy, Jamee, damo, TheFlyingBoat, celaph, RDR, you, and Maniac. That's 11/13. I quoted myself too if you want to give me 12/14 and curve my grade from a B- to a B.
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If you want my advice, stick to my damo vote timing as evidence against me. This "didn't actually interact" argument is flimsy/untrue (subjective).

I don't think I worded it in a great way, but my point is that interactions like asking questions aren't intrinsically helpful at solving the game without a drive to identify and eliminate scum behind it. You do quote a lot of people and are quoted by them, but mostly in pretty neutral settings that wouldn't provide much intel if you or one of the people you were talking to flipped scum. ig I could talk myself into this just being different views on how the game should be played if you convince me hard enough, but it really didn't seem like you cared about getting scum killed d1, or even who ended up dying in general

3) I'm working on it. Like I said, I didn't like how my tiff with brainbomb went down. I sent God Thread messages about how I really felt during that game. I knew it was going to happen. I watched brain fuck with Blamp and lo and behold he tried to do the exact same shit to me. But I responded early in this game about it.
^I stand by this. Town won that game and I did my part by not letting brainbomb miskill me. You said everyone in God Thread seems to think I did good, so, idk. Maybe I just had beginner's luck, maybe brain went easy on me.

I would be legitimately curious how you think I did with diverting brainbomb, but that might be the kind of advice that you should give your scumlean after the game.

Anyways since you seem to have followed along with M73, here's an opinion that I'm holding rn. SAT style. M73 brainbomb : M73 BusinessLamp :: M1021 snowy801 : M1021 DeathLlama8 (that's you). Think about it.

I think part of this might be coming out of a misunderstanding of your m73 game, so just to be clear, I was shitposting on the god thread more than actually following the game. My impression from the m73 god thread was that 1) you were playing well and even got an MVP nomination from someone (sabi?) 2) you responded pretty aggressively to brainbomb's pressure.

I didn't really think you genuinely engaged with my pressure on you until the posts I'm replying to (almost 36 hours since I initially started getting suspicious), and spent more time talking about damo, who wasn't really mentioning you as much beyond a "null, wouldn't be surprised if you flip scum?" Avoiding direct pressure can be a scumtell and that was the vibe I was getting from you before this reply, especially with how you responded late d1 (I know you did respond to my questioning, but it felt pretty flippant)

also sorry but i have no idea what that analogy means (I read your explanation but I still don't really get what you're implying). guess I've gotta brush up on that critical reading

reminder that I moved my D1 from TFB to damo, meanwhile you went from TFB to....Durga? Your 3rd preference at most?

How's that for some VCA? ;)

I pretty clearly switched from TFB to damo, only voting durga at the very last second to avoid a tie. good effort though :))

[DeathLlama8]

As for the VCA, I would love to hear DL give an explanation for his vote behavior as I would like a little more detail to support his not liking the way the wagons formed point. I am mostly willing to accept his claim he didn't want a tie to be formed with a minute left given Maniac's action, but more on the damo wagon theory would be good.

in terms of the actual EOD1 vote, it was just tie avoidance. I had a slight townread on durga and a slight scumread on damo, but the vote was very close (also I didn't know this but maniac was about to try and tie it) with like a minute left and I didn't want to risk anything.

[DeathLlama8]

i can't give pyxxy townpoints for leaving to get AYCE hot pot but I do respect it

i assume you followed the optimal AYCE hot pot meta of not eating lunch that day

[DeathLlama8]

In general, I wasn't particularly confident on any scum read yesterday. I was mentally debating between aaro/damo and then damo/Durga. I voted Damo over aaro first because while I wasn't sure which one I found more scummy, I knew that I would much rather have a close and contested vote than a runaway wagon.

I think my vote on Durga and subsequent message are rather telling in why I voted Durga over Damo. It wasn't that I reevaluated Durga and found her to be scummier than I thought, but rather I re-evaluated Damo and found him to be slightly townier than I thought. Hence my comment that I was less confident in Damo and follow up and specifically why I was less confident in damo.

did you consider going back to aaro when you switched your vote the last time, and if you did, what was the thought process there?

[DeathLlama8]

Also damo hasn’t done his classic scum tell so he just might be town this game.

would you like to share with the class

[pyxxy]

i can't give pyxxy townpoints for leaving to get AYCE hot pot but I do respect it

i assume you followed the optimal AYCE hot pot meta of not eating lunch that day

one bowl of cereal at 10am. that was it

[DeathLlama8]

i can't give pyxxy townpoints for leaving to get AYCE hot pot but I do respect it

i assume you followed the optimal AYCE hot pot meta of not eating lunch that day

one bowl of cereal at 10am. that was it 8-)

my guy

maybe I'll give you a day

[Jamiet99uk]

I missed that either of those were jokes.

So when you voted Rdr, you thought his vote on you was serious?

You have the timing wrong. I voted rdr before he voted me.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why would I made such a statement at night? Explain me any town reason to do this now and I will happily do.

I'm afraid this post probably sealed rdr's fate.

What are you seeing in this that is a PR slip? I don't see it.

Maybe it's like a truth tell for Rdr? Like he only says he's a VT(TM) when he really is? I'd have to go back and check his previous games to know if this is true...

[Jamiet99uk]

Maniac assuming Rdr got an item out, is weird.

That said, if Maniac is scum then I think it's rather likely that they didn't RB rdr and he realized it too late. I don't think that scum RBs rdr and then acts like they forgot that is an options.

In other words, ##Vote Maniac.